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Posted on 3/31/26 at 1:29 pm to Wwarmouth
Posted on 3/31/26 at 1:29 pm to Wwarmouth
"Circumstances change" does not equal "every politician lies". It is foolish for politicians to promise things outside of their control, and even more foolish for people to put faith in any such promise. A "no war" promise can actually be maintained via one single way: unconditional surrender to any incipient threat. Even if you don't want a war, if an enemy does, you've got one. Per Trotsky: “You may not be interested in war, but war is interested in you.”
He's not my guy. Never voted for him, nor did I ever vote for Biden or Harris. Having previously worked in DC, I have little use for any politician. As far as Iran/US goes, it's been a mess since 1979, and no president has dealt with it particularly well.
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giving trump a pass because he's your guy. If this was Biden or Harris you would be screaming mad.
He's not my guy. Never voted for him, nor did I ever vote for Biden or Harris. Having previously worked in DC, I have little use for any politician. As far as Iran/US goes, it's been a mess since 1979, and no president has dealt with it particularly well.
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Posted on 3/31/26 at 1:53 pm to FaCubeItches
Re your last paragraph can ylwe agree that this president has handled it worse than any president this millennium?
Posted on 3/31/26 at 2:05 pm to FaCubeItches
Trump is the first to actually take care of the problem. Propaganda and wifi is all Iran has and the leftwing media are happy to amplify it. Their low IQ subscribers lap it up and vote for Kamala and Tampon Timmy.
Posted on 3/31/26 at 2:23 pm to lewis and herschel
Dude he's mad Iran stronger with this shite lol
How do you figure he solved the problem?
Our allies in asia are going through it. Iran will be getting money for all ships coming through the strait
The Gulf countries are fricked. Dubais whole vibe as a rich playground is destroyed
This has been a total disaster
How do you figure he solved the problem?
Our allies in asia are going through it. Iran will be getting money for all ships coming through the strait
The Gulf countries are fricked. Dubais whole vibe as a rich playground is destroyed
This has been a total disaster
Posted on 3/31/26 at 2:24 pm to Wwarmouth
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Re your last paragraph can ylwe agree that this president has handled it worse than any president this millennium?
No, simply because it hasn't played out fully yet. Doing nothing while being repeatedly attacked (Bush II) didn't seem to work overly well. Paying Danegeld (Obama) didn't really fare any better. Vacillating/negotiation (Biden, Trump 1st term) accomplished nothing. Will armed conflict work? That remains to be seen.
Posted on 3/31/26 at 2:55 pm to FaCubeItches
Dude it's already the worst the situation has been. It will only get worse.
Posted on 3/31/26 at 3:50 pm to Wwarmouth
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Dude it's already the worst the situation has been
Yeah, when Iran was holding US hostage was worse. Iranian/Iranin proxy attacks have caused far more casualties previously than we have suffered in the current round of fighting.
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It will only get worse.
That's pure speculation. Will there be more cost? Absolutely, but that's true of any conflict. We could have saved a lot of lives and money by agreeing to terms with Germany and Japan in January 1942, to give but one example. Is Iran likely to come out a larger, more powerful, more aggressive regional hegemon? Possible, I suppose, but seems unlikely. Even if the Revolutionary Government survives, it will have a lot of work to rebuild its forces. Will the conflict cause problems with regional allies? Again, possible, but our Arab allies in the region are all urging expanded strikes, not screaming for a ceasefire, so that risk seems minimal.
Time will tell how it all plays out.
Posted on 3/31/26 at 4:45 pm to FaCubeItches
You treat this like there was no other option which is just wild to me. This happened as a choice.
How does it seem unlikely that Iran walks away stronger? And not only will they stronger, China gets stronger, Russia is stronger. It's a total reset of the region and global economy in a bad way.
There is possible involved in problems for our allies man. Major infrastructure has already been destroyed. They bombed Dubai again yesterday. Who is going to vacation there when Iran is stronger and more radical than ever. We killed the moderates. Think about that lol
Of course they want us to continue the war...their best outcome is the total destruction of Iran at this point. Anything less and it ruins their tourism and hangs a cloud over their oil industry.
All because Israel has the ultimate puppet in office and talked him into this. And because he is too stupid to listen to those that know better. I don't want to give all the blame to Israel. Trump deserves a lion share too
How does it seem unlikely that Iran walks away stronger? And not only will they stronger, China gets stronger, Russia is stronger. It's a total reset of the region and global economy in a bad way.
There is possible involved in problems for our allies man. Major infrastructure has already been destroyed. They bombed Dubai again yesterday. Who is going to vacation there when Iran is stronger and more radical than ever. We killed the moderates. Think about that lol
Of course they want us to continue the war...their best outcome is the total destruction of Iran at this point. Anything less and it ruins their tourism and hangs a cloud over their oil industry.
All because Israel has the ultimate puppet in office and talked him into this. And because he is too stupid to listen to those that know better. I don't want to give all the blame to Israel. Trump deserves a lion share too
Posted on 3/31/26 at 6:24 pm to Wwarmouth
Posted on 3/31/26 at 6:33 pm to Wwarmouth
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How does it seem unlikely that Iran walks away stronger?
First, the Revolutionary Government has to survive. Assuming they do, they have to rebuild their navy, air force, rebuild their missile arsenal - that takes time and money. They have to train and replace new generals and staff - that takes a lot of time. They have to rebuild a lot of military infrastructure. That takes time and money.
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We killed the moderates.
Well, the "moderates" have been at war with us since 1979, so they weren't really all that moderate.
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Major infrastructure has already been destroyed. They bombed Dubai again yesterday. Who is going to vacation there
Something tells me that Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Kuwait, etc. can all scrape together enough money to rebuild without much problem. As far as vacationers, who cares? Dubai may be trendy, but they're not staking their economic future on tourism.
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Russia is stronger
Russia isn't a combatant, and Trump isn't fighting them, but ok. They will have to rebuild their Black Sea fleet, rebuild their army in terms of manpower, rearm it, and come up with new doctrine, since what they had failed pretty spectacularly in Ukraine. That takes time and money. They will also have to deal with *very* restive provinces and ethnic minorities who hate Moscow. On top of that, they are suffering from demographic collapse. They're not getting stronger, they are getting weaker.
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China gets stronger
China also isn't a combatant, but again, ok. They have a struggling economy, and they are getting older far faster than they are getting stronger. The One-Child Policy absolutely wrecked their demographics. They are getting more technologically advanced, though. However, they also have some serious border issues with a number of their neighbors, including India - the one country on earth that has more manpower.
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All because Israel has the ultimate puppet in office
Given that the Arab gulf states are also demanding more strikes, Israel must also have puppets there, too. The Revolutionary Government has made enemies throughout the Gulf. So much so that their co-Muslims (albeit Sunni, not Shiite) have cut deals with their previous arch-enemy, Israel, to deal with the threat from Iran.
Posted on 3/31/26 at 7:16 pm to FaCubeItches
If you think we've been at "war" with Iran since 1979 you have to think we have been at war with Russia since the Cold war, no? Same for China...those are the major superpower countries...making them stronger isn't just an oh well. China's economy is very strong brother. They invested a lot of money and man power in areas that were weak. They don't have good GDP numbers but that shits a joke anyway.
Iran seems to be doing just fine now with the supplies they have. Russia will supply munitions and they will be raking in money if the put a toll on the straight.
Again the gulf states are being held by the balls by the strait. They will rebuild but this stuff isn't built in a month. Add in tolls and having to pay in yuan instead of dollars. Not to mention they are heavily invested in US companie...if their money gets tight, those investmens get cut... especially if we can't protect them as promised. It's crazy to downplay this and keep repeating your strange talking points.
Iran seems to be doing just fine now with the supplies they have. Russia will supply munitions and they will be raking in money if the put a toll on the straight.
Again the gulf states are being held by the balls by the strait. They will rebuild but this stuff isn't built in a month. Add in tolls and having to pay in yuan instead of dollars. Not to mention they are heavily invested in US companie...if their money gets tight, those investmens get cut... especially if we can't protect them as promised. It's crazy to downplay this and keep repeating your strange talking points.
Posted on 3/31/26 at 8:12 pm to Wwarmouth
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If you think we've been at "war" with Iran since 1979 you have to think we have been at war with Russia since the Cold war, no? Same for China
Iran invaded US territory in 1979 - that is an act of war, straight up. It has also attacked other US embassies since. It has attacked US flagged vessels in international waters - again, an act of war. You can argue that they have had just cause to go to war with the US, but go to war they did.
War with Russia because of the Cold War? No. First, Russia was not a participant in the Cold War; that was the USSR - a different nation. Any time there was an incident between the US and USSR, they resolved it, sometimes by mutually agreeing to ignore it, but it was resolved. Mutual distrust aside, the US and USSR actually worked together pretty well on disarmament, too. They disclosed their arsenals and allowed verification of reduction. The post-Soviet transformation of Russia wasn't exactly a case study in how to rebuild a nation, but it could have gone a lot worse.
War with China? Again, no. Korean War aside, we've never really fought. When there have been incidents, they have been resolved.
If you think Russia is gaining strength, well...you're entitled to your opinion, but the numbers simply don't agree. Their fertility rate is something like 1.4. Demographically speaking, they're so far beyond fricked they can't find their way back with a sherpa guide. The former Soviet republics are pulling away more and more, Russia couldn't even keep the peace between Armenia and Azerbaijan, and some of the non-ethnic Russian areas are sick of rule from Moscow.
If you think China is gaining strength....again, you're entitled to your opinion, but the numbers don't agree. They have an aging population and a very low birth rate. Their economy has not been "very strong" for quite a while, with Kung Flu kicking the decline into high gear. The property sector is a shambles, the population is both declining in real numbers and aging out of working years, all while other Asian countries are drawing away manufacturing. Yes, they are still strong, but they are weakening and its only getting worse.
But you've said that you already decided Orange Man Bad And The Source Of All That Is Wrong In The World, so stick with it, I guess.
Posted on 3/31/26 at 8:26 pm to FaCubeItches
Again you are looking at a view from the moon it's so macro. Trump has lifted sanctions of Russian oil. That plus the general disruption in OPEC oil means they get richer in the near term. Which totally goes against the policy since they invaded Ukraine and goes against the billions of dollars we've sent to Ukraine.
They are also providing weapons and Intel to Iran. You are naive if you think they aren't an opponent in the global dynamic just because they aren't the USSR.
China is the number #2 economy. Demographics are one thing but again in the near term they have seen our vulnerability in defeating a country that has what a 1/10 of their military capability? They could move on Taiwan and we couldn't stop them. Plus we are harming on allies in the area in japan and South Korea( much bigger partners than Israel) due to this war and pushing India closer to Russia and China.
They are also providing weapons and Intel to Iran. You are naive if you think they aren't an opponent in the global dynamic just because they aren't the USSR.
China is the number #2 economy. Demographics are one thing but again in the near term they have seen our vulnerability in defeating a country that has what a 1/10 of their military capability? They could move on Taiwan and we couldn't stop them. Plus we are harming on allies in the area in japan and South Korea( much bigger partners than Israel) due to this war and pushing India closer to Russia and China.
Posted on 3/31/26 at 11:33 pm to Wwarmouth
Your use of the English language belittles any point you’d like to make.
Posted on 4/1/26 at 3:52 am to Wwarmouth
You are eat up with propaganda. In no world where 99% of a terrorists nation to make war has been destroyed are they stronger.
Iran did the impossible, it united the Islamic Greater Middle East and the Israeli Jews to fight side be side versus Iran... That can't be understated. It was thought to be impossible.
Iran did the impossible, it united the Islamic Greater Middle East and the Israeli Jews to fight side be side versus Iran... That can't be understated. It was thought to be impossible.
Posted on 4/1/26 at 6:04 am to lewis and herschel
Buddy the strait was a free and open waterway before this. Now, you have two options. Take over the strait with force and lose more American lives and spend more billions or retreat and leave Iran with a way to earn billions of dollars through a toll system and help end the petro dollar which makes a total economic collapse in america more likely.
It's a no win situation and it's one the trump brought on himself inexplicably. Just like the tariffs and Epstein. These are all self inflicted frick ups that frick with people's money and intelligence.
It's a no win situation and it's one the trump brought on himself inexplicably. Just like the tariffs and Epstein. These are all self inflicted frick ups that frick with people's money and intelligence.
Posted on 4/1/26 at 8:13 am to Wwarmouth
We don't get our oil there, its Europe, Chinas, and India's problem.
Posted on 4/1/26 at 8:19 am to lewis and herschel
No shite but it still affects us
Domestic producers aren't going to sale it to oil companies for a discount (unless forced too by gov) when they are getting 120$/a barrel or whatever Europe and asia
Plus the gulf state allies are pissed. They have invested billions in our economy and even tried to buy off trump. Talk about a terrible investment. South Korea and japan are two of our best allies and they are getting smoked. The south Korea president said people may have to reduce showering to help with energy demand.
Meanwhile, Russia and Iran rake in billions. It's insane
Domestic producers aren't going to sale it to oil companies for a discount (unless forced too by gov) when they are getting 120$/a barrel or whatever Europe and asia
Plus the gulf state allies are pissed. They have invested billions in our economy and even tried to buy off trump. Talk about a terrible investment. South Korea and japan are two of our best allies and they are getting smoked. The south Korea president said people may have to reduce showering to help with energy demand.
Meanwhile, Russia and Iran rake in billions. It's insane
Posted on 4/1/26 at 8:28 am to Wwarmouth
frick them and frick you.... Appears Iran has thrown in the towel. Nukes gun, entire military gone, mission complete. China and India and The tittie babies in Europe can deal with protecting their ships.
This post was edited on 4/1/26 at 8:33 am
Posted on 4/1/26 at 9:26 am to lewis and herschel
Lol sounds like (hopefully) trump has realized this shite is dumb as frick and is leaving tail tucked.
Embarrassing as frick for us as a country but rather have this happen than an extended war again
Embarrassing as frick for us as a country but rather have this happen than an extended war again
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