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Posted on 12/16/21 at 3:13 pm to WG_Dawg
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I'd love to know what you base this on. We've seen JT play in basically 6 games, and in 5 of them he's looked phenomenal. The only time he stunk was against a really good defense in a season opener away from home. Ask any defnese on our schedule what QB they'd rather face and i'm guessing most would pick stetson.
He looked good against Cincinnati, who is a good for sure., but we only scored 3 Tds. Which the braintrust made clear is not enough to beat elite teams. Against Clemson, who ended up not very good, he made some throws, but obviously his production in that game would not beat an elite team. You can add data points to make this look better, but it is clear he didn’t light up good defenses. I assumed he was going to be the starter this year and it appeared the staff played it that way as well. At this point, we can assume there is a reason he is not playing now. We can also assume we know why, but it doesn’t appear anyone has clear knowledge of why. As much is on the line for Kirbs the next two games, it is silly to assume Smart isn't playing him because Smart is stupid or stubborn. I guess if people want to run with that, they can.
Posted on 12/16/21 at 3:20 pm to Peter Buck
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He looked good against Cincinnati, who is a good for sure., but we only scored 3 Tds. Which the braintrust made clear is not enough to beat elite teams.
Playoff tyoe team is close enough to elite. He made clutch throws for that game winning FG. That is worth noting.
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Against Clemson, who ended up not very good, he made some throws, but obviously his production in that game would not beat an elite team.
No doubt, but that juicy context helps explain it.
Posted on 12/16/21 at 3:28 pm to djsdawg
So, why is he not playing?
Posted on 12/16/21 at 3:28 pm to Peter Buck
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He looked good against Cincinnati, who is a good for sure., but we only scored 3 Tds.
this was a bowl game that many of our impact players decided to sit out. Or were hurt.
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Against Clemson, who ended up not very good, he made some throws, but obviously his production in that game would not beat an elite team
their defense was, and is, very good. it was also the season opener when everyone is rusty.
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You can add data points to make this look better, but it is clear he didn’t light up good defenses.
The fact is that JT has never had the opporutnity to play aginast an elite team. Since he's been on the roster, 2020 UF, 2020 bama, and 2021 bama are the only elite teams we've faced and he didn't get a snap against any of them. We simply don't know how a game plan would change if teams respected the pass a frick ton more than they respect it now. Bennett is not scaring anyone with his arm or his downfield prowess, that's just a fact.
And going beyond the stat sheet, I have eyes and can just look at how a ball leaves a QBs hands. I'm not a pro scout or antyhing, but I've watched a lot fo football and you can just see that the ball looks different leaving the hand with differnet guys. For instance the way stafford threw a ball just LOOKED different than the way lambert threw a ball. That's not taking into account stats, or game plans, or scores, or anyting else...they just look differnet. JT throws a ball that just has that wow factor to it, and bennett doens't. That's not a slight to bennett and I'm not inslulting him, just pointing out an observation. I'll tell you though, the bigges thing I miss about JT is the deep ball. I watched a bunch of highlights recently from last year an dthi syear, and holy crap JT just has a phenomenal deep ball which often times hits guys in strides and allows him to get YAC. The only ball lik ethat I can really think of offhand for stetson was the bomb to ladd against AU this year whihc was a beautiful touch. The handful of bombs he threw agsinst UAB may count if you want them to but quality of compeition was lacking of course.
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it is silly to assume Smart isn't playing him because Smart is stupid or stubborn
I said it in another thread but I think it simply boils down to the awful problem of having QB play that simply isn't bad enough to be benhced. Same reason fromm stayed as QB over eason, same reason fields never saw the field in 18. If bennett sucked it'd be the easy call. Hard calls are hard for a reason and no one really wants to make them. shite, in 2017 anyone with eyes could see Hurts was a great athlete but a shite qB that couldn't throw downfield to save his life. But their taem was good enough to make that not matter. Even after lsoing to AU, they were still far better than clemson so they just went with the status quo. It wasn't until they scored literally 0 points going into halftime fo the title game that his hand was FORCED and he literally had no choice. We don't get that luxury. Bennett isn't that bad, in fact he's pretty good. But kriby has shown he isn't going to benhc a pretty good QB for one that may be elite. We've seen it multiple times now and it's worrisome if I'm being honest.
Posted on 12/16/21 at 3:39 pm to djsdawg
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He is probably better than you think he is though
Maybe he is but that's my point. People that haven't seen JTD day in and day out are speculating that he really is the best QB in the country and all our problems would just go away if he started.
It's also possible he's just not the world beater y'all want him to be and our issues would still be present even if he did play. You have to trust the people that are there everyday, not rely on just wants and hopes.
That was my only point.
Posted on 12/16/21 at 3:43 pm to Peter Buck
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So, why is he not playing?
Kirby sticking with his boy while we are winning……like he always does.
Posted on 12/16/21 at 3:45 pm to Barstools
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People that haven't seen JTD day in and day out are speculating that he really is the best QB in the country and all our problems would just go away if he started
nobody has said anything close to that. All people are saying is that JT might be better than the guy we're starting.
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t's also possible he's just not the world beater y'all want him to be and our issues would still be present even if he did play. You have to trust the people that are there everyday, not rely on just wants and hopes.
People are relying on:
-the fact JT would have started in 2020 if not for injury
-as soon as he did get healthy, he bumped bennett off the field and started the rest of the way and looked MUCH better
-he was the clear starter all offseason
-He started the opener, then apparently got hurt
-He started games 3 and 4
That is clear black and white data that shows that the coaches, for over a year now, have thought daniels is better. which is why it's so odd that bennett is somehow now the better choice
Posted on 12/16/21 at 3:47 pm to WG_Dawg
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awful problem of having QB play that simply isn't bad enough to be benhced.
Bingo.
Posted on 12/16/21 at 3:48 pm to Barstools
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People that haven't seen JTD day in and day out are speculating that he really is the best QB in the country and all our problems would just go away if he started.
A better qb doesn’t remove all problems, especially the lack of mobility.
Posted on 12/16/21 at 4:37 pm to WG_Dawg
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JT might be better than the guy we're starting.
But you're missing the point, it's equally likely he might not be better than the guy we're starting based on performance on a day to day basis.
To just say, he might be better so we need to start him ignores the fact that he also might be worse. So you have to accept that as a possibility as well.
Everyone around here is stating that JTD IS better and he should start, purely based on their wants.
Posted on 12/16/21 at 4:42 pm to Barstools
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you're missing the point, it's equally likely he might not be better than the guy we're starting based on performance on a day to day basis
that is certainly possible, it's definitely not impossible. But from an outsider perspetive, and all of us are outsiders that are not at practice everyday, all we have to go on is the games whihc ultimately is all that actually matters. And JT has looked better in games.
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To just say, he might be better so we need to start him ignores the fact that he also might be worse. So you have to accept that as a possibility as well.
You're right, we don't know. He coul dbe better, he could be worse. What we also know is what we've got with bennett. Good, bad, everythign in between...he's a very known entity at this point. No surprises left with him, we know exactly what he is. And what he is is a QB that has faced bama twice in 14 motnhs and failed both times, leading us to exactly 7 combined points in teh second halfs of both games. Could Daniels be worse? Sure he could, but at this point what is the point in trotting out bennett to lose by 2 TDs again when the alternative is also losing by 2 TDs with Daniels, or perhaps maybe not losing?
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Everyone around here is stating that JTD IS better and he should start, purely based on their wants.
He is better in the football games we've seen, that isn't up for debate. We have no idea what he does in practice and we have no idea what he'd do if he startdd a game tomorrow. But in the games he has actually played, he's been better.
Posted on 12/16/21 at 4:45 pm to Barstools
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ignores the fact that he also might be worse. So you have to accept that as a possibility as well.
The assumption is safe and the risk is worth it
Posted on 12/16/21 at 4:54 pm to djsdawg
Didn’t JT leave USC after getting hurt and then felt like he lost his spot?
Posted on 12/16/21 at 6:08 pm to gothamdawg
So Saban is basically saying that Stetson is useless if he can’t throw to his first read and has to actually act like a real QB and make decisions.
Posted on 12/16/21 at 6:24 pm to FlexDawg
Stet is generally quite good at going through his reads. Sometimes you do not feel you have time otgers you have a wr you are more confident in...
Posted on 12/16/21 at 6:47 pm to lewis and herschel
Is Stet tossing to Bowers bc he is that much better, is open, or just who he is comfortable with?
Hopeful with Pickens even healthier as well as Blalock will open some other guys if they focus on Bowers.
Bowers almost doubled his highest catch total in that game.
Hopeful with Pickens even healthier as well as Blalock will open some other guys if they focus on Bowers.
Bowers almost doubled his highest catch total in that game.
Posted on 12/16/21 at 7:15 pm to RealDawg
I think its Bowers and pickens with a little Moonshine from here on out.
Puckens should be a big part of the upcoming game.
Puckens should be a big part of the upcoming game.
Posted on 12/16/21 at 9:28 pm to RealDawg
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Is Stet tossing to Bowers bc he is that much better, is open, or just who he is comfortable with? Hopeful with Pickens even healthier as well as Blalock will open some other guys if they focus on Bowers. Bowers almost doubled his highest catch total in that game.
Bowers by where he lines up gets a lot of man coverage. Especially how Bama played us. He was a good option on a lot of plays. I wish he could have put up numbers like Jamesin did tho.
Posted on 12/16/21 at 9:30 pm to lewis and herschel
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I think its Bowers and pickens with a little Moonshine from here on out. Puckens should be a big part of the upcoming game.
I think the gameplan against Michigan and Bama needs to have more plays going over the top to keep them from jumping routes.
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