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Posted on 11/15/22 at 4:59 pm to Peter Buck
Posted on 11/15/22 at 4:59 pm to Peter Buck
The dude sucked at UGA because he was playing out of position. He should have been a guard which was the better fit for him.
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Posted on 11/15/22 at 5:54 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
Tyler Catalina?
We had to bring in help on the O-line because (paraphrasing) Kirby was shocked at the depth situation on the line. I'm sure he was shocked at the depth situation overall, as Richts team tended to recruit positions in spurts, or as an after thought, in some years.
Richts recruiting philosophy was something I never deciphered. It was almost like he would get enamored with "stars", regardless of positional needs, and then some years remember: "Oh shite! We are down to 5 scholarship linemen! We need to get some of them things!"
People (outside of the fanbase) to this day still comment upon just how great of a recruiter Richt was, and I just shake my head. I'm not entirely sure if, when rating classes, positional needs comes into play but, if not, it should. It would have hurt Richt's class grades, IMO.
I don't know, though. Perhaps I'm just misremembering some shite. Been a long, strange trip. I do know that Kirby commented upon this, however.
We had to bring in help on the O-line because (paraphrasing) Kirby was shocked at the depth situation on the line. I'm sure he was shocked at the depth situation overall, as Richts team tended to recruit positions in spurts, or as an after thought, in some years.
Richts recruiting philosophy was something I never deciphered. It was almost like he would get enamored with "stars", regardless of positional needs, and then some years remember: "Oh shite! We are down to 5 scholarship linemen! We need to get some of them things!"
People (outside of the fanbase) to this day still comment upon just how great of a recruiter Richt was, and I just shake my head. I'm not entirely sure if, when rating classes, positional needs comes into play but, if not, it should. It would have hurt Richt's class grades, IMO.
I don't know, though. Perhaps I'm just misremembering some shite. Been a long, strange trip. I do know that Kirby commented upon this, however.
This post was edited on 11/15/22 at 5:55 pm
Posted on 11/15/22 at 6:12 pm to Peter Buck
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Cheer, there was a very loud contingent who lectured us regularly on how JT was elite, Stetson was not, and Kirby was stupid. They are now acting like Nazis in 1946.
Ah. I think JT, with a great offensive line adept at pocket protection, has the ability to be elite in the passing game.
I think Stetson has tenacity.
I'm not certain either will have much of a career in the NFL, but I don't watch the NFL, so why the frick would I care?
UGA fans have been arguing over QBs since football began at the end of the 19th century. I, myself, was always vocal that Richt would have got that elusive NC had he started Shock over Greene, at some point. Of course, how could I know besides just "having a feeling?"
I'll also admit that, in hindsight, Fromm should have been benched for Fields. Kirby was loyal to Fromm, and that fricker dipped and went into the draft early and went in the 100th round.
Left us in a baaaad spot.
Full circle. We were lucky to have JT transfer in after we got that other kid to transfer in just before him. 2020 would have been a terrible season without him and, for that, I can appreciate him.
But, Stet is tenacious. Something to be said for tenacity. People respect that shite. Cool Hand Luke.
This post was edited on 11/15/22 at 6:14 pm
Posted on 11/15/22 at 7:50 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
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The dude sucked at UGA because he was playing out of position. He should have been a guard which was the better fit for him.
Wynn at LG and Catalina at LT.
I'm a schlepp and I called that one as a mistake right away. At some point, the coaches should have told Catalina to man up and move inside.
(Truss is Catalina 2.0. We learned from that earlier mistake and are benefitting from it)
Posted on 11/15/22 at 9:00 pm to meansonny
Wasn’t the rumor on the other board that they had made a promise to Catalina that he would be the left tackle and that’s why he stuck there?
Posted on 11/15/22 at 9:16 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
I can’t argue against him being out of position. The point is, he was lambasted as a scrub from a lesser conference, when in fact, he was a good football player. The braintrust couldn’t admit that, even when he made and played on a NFL team.
Posted on 11/15/22 at 9:19 pm to Peter Buck
I have nothing against JT in all seriousness, it is just that things have played out like a lot of us said they would and the braintrust needs to see this and recognize it…every day.
Posted on 11/17/22 at 5:22 pm to WG_Dawg
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the beginning of 2021 this was correct, based on the informaiton we had available at the time
Wat? When was Daniels ever "elite" at UGA? He was never elite. He was rated highly. There is a difference.
This post was edited on 11/17/22 at 5:28 pm
Posted on 11/17/22 at 5:27 pm to WG_Dawg
Y'all WG dawg is tired of being called out for being a moron, won't you just move on and stop calling him out? You guys are hurting his feelings.
#neverforget
#neverforget
This post was edited on 11/17/22 at 5:30 pm
Posted on 11/17/22 at 6:24 pm to Peter Buck
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The braintrust couldn’t admit that, even when he made and played on a NFL team.
He made the team when 2 players ahead of him got injured (and the draft and free agency signings had already happened). Right place at the right time.
You are overstating things intentionally.
Be better.
Posted on 11/17/22 at 6:28 pm to Peter Buck
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he was a good football player
Not a good tackle at UGA.
I wanted him at guard. It would cover for his footwork in pass protection.
We will never know if he would have been good at UGA at guard. I think he would have had a chance, though.
2016, UGA was middle of the pack for sacks allowed (despite being the bottom third for pass attempts in conference).
2016, UGA was among the worst in conference for rushing TDs.
Posted on 11/17/22 at 6:57 pm to meansonny
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2016, UGA was middle of the pack for sacks allowed (despite being the bottom third for pass attempts in conference).
2016, UGA was among the worst in conference for rushing TDs.
Still miraculous, given what was left in the cupboard on the line.
Just imagine what that line would have looked like without Catalina transferring in.
I say that as I'm currently being triggered into flashbacks of pass rushers moving, with ease, around Catalina toward the QB.
The turnaround on the line, year one to year two, was amazing. Pittman earned his money, bringing in those studs and coaching them up.
Posted on 11/17/22 at 7:37 pm to Cheer
Wynn should have been tackle. It couldn't have been more obvious (he struggled at guard).
It is also obvious that Catalina was promised the tackle spot to transfer to UGA. But at some point, he should have been given an ultimatum. Play better. Or try his luck inside.
We were extremely thin.
But basically if Catalina didn't transfer, we could have filled the guard spots with Gaillard, Sims, and Pyke.
Kublanow at C.
Baker/Pyke at RT.
It is also obvious that Catalina was promised the tackle spot to transfer to UGA. But at some point, he should have been given an ultimatum. Play better. Or try his luck inside.
We were extremely thin.
But basically if Catalina didn't transfer, we could have filled the guard spots with Gaillard, Sims, and Pyke.
Kublanow at C.
Baker/Pyke at RT.
Posted on 11/17/22 at 8:41 pm to meansonny
I assure you, you do not jump 2 spots in the NFL because you are 3rd string. You are the best option. They will free agent you in a hot minute if there is someone better out there. Show me a 3rd string in the NFL and I’ll show you a dude who has started since he was 6.
Posted on 11/18/22 at 5:24 am to Peter Buck
So why was he 3rd deep if all of the other teams would have recognized his value? You just assured me that a team would have grabbed him for their main roster because the nfl recognizes talent.
But the only time in his career he made the cut, 2 tackles ahead of him were injured.
Your assurance that the nfl recognizes talent busts your entire point.
He wasn't on any rosters 2 deep (he would have been if any team wanted him there).
When injuries healed, he was back on the practice squad. And he held on there longer because of his own injuries.
But the only time in his career he made the cut, 2 tackles ahead of him were injured.
Your assurance that the nfl recognizes talent busts your entire point.
He wasn't on any rosters 2 deep (he would have been if any team wanted him there).
When injuries healed, he was back on the practice squad. And he held on there longer because of his own injuries.
This post was edited on 11/18/22 at 5:27 am
Posted on 11/18/22 at 6:03 am to meansonny
Because he was better than any free agent options. It makes him pretty elite when you look at him as a player vs all the other linemen out there who were available.
Posted on 11/18/22 at 6:47 am to Peter Buck
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It makes him pretty elite
Maybe his size is elite. Seems like he has all the measurables for greatness, size and speed. Yet, he had to transfer into the Power 5 as a fifth year graduate, and barely made an NFL roster.
Elite measurables, meh talent.
He made a football career from being the best option because of this.
That's not a knock on Catalina. Just an observation.
He was trash, for us, at tackle. But he was, perhaps, our best option given the circumstances.
I think you and Sonny both agree, really, but you are talking around one another.
Posted on 11/18/22 at 7:15 am to Barstools
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Y'all WG dawg is tired of being called out for being a moron, won't you just move on and stop calling him out? You guys are hurting his feelings.
I was strongly in the camp of Stetson Bennett and allowing the coaches make the decisions.
WG made a couple of comments about JT being the better choice, but was hardly a vocal opponent to Stetson, iirc. He expressed an opinion, which is what we were all doing, but I don't remember him ridiculing Bennett...merely expressed that he thought Daniels had more talent.
That said, Daniels did seem to have more talent, but did less with it, while Bennett has maximized his talent through hard work and tenacity.
Posted on 11/18/22 at 7:19 am to meansonny
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He made the team when 2 players ahead of him got injured (and the draft and free agency signings had already happened). Right place at the right time.
You are overstating things intentionally.
Be better.
We often see things eye to eye, but not on this one. Yes, it took injuries, but Peter's point still stands. Catalina, when moved to his best position played in the NFL. Under almost any circumstances that says he was a good player with plenty of talent for the college level. We should remember that the argument was about his abilities at the college level, NOT at the NFL level. The reason the NFL is brought up is to illustrate that if he could play at that level, then he was certainly serviceable at the collegiate level.
Posted on 11/18/22 at 7:21 am to Cheer
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barely made an NFL roster.
Do you not understand how difficult to make an NFL roster? I played with extremely talented people that never made an NFL roster.
He made the NFL roster when played at his more natural position.
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