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re: Georgia Governor's Race : Brian Kemp

Posted on 5/22/18 at 10:39 pm to
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora, Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 5/22/18 at 10:39 pm to
In the Dem primary...

Both candidates for governor = female

Both candidates for Lt governor = female

Is this boy vs girl playground shite? Blowback from Hillary's loss (win in Cobb and Gwinnett)?

Dems didn't even run a male in either of those positions.


Posted by DawgCountry
Great State of GA
Member since Sep 2012
30557 posts
Posted on 5/23/18 at 4:49 am to
Same with Atlanta mayor
Posted by Jefferson Dawg
Member since Sep 2012
31961 posts
Posted on 5/23/18 at 4:54 am to
We need RB to get Kemp in touch with Kanye West for after he takes down Cagle.

The Cagle-ites are a spiteful bunch. They’re the exact Republican trash that refused to back Trump after he became the nominee (which is why everyone thinks GA is turning blue) and they’ll do the same to Kemp.

We’re going to need to rally the Georgia-plorables big time.

RB, do you copy? Over
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
25634 posts
Posted on 5/23/18 at 6:30 am to
quote:

After Kemp wins the runoff...


Stacey Abrams vs Brian Kemp is going to be a fricking bloodbath and could spark another civil war.

Kemp very well could win the runoff. Nathan Deal was in second after the primary election, but won the runoff which led to eight years as governor.

I'm not sure what you mean by Bloodbath. Are you referencing the candidates going after each other? Or the Rival constituents?
Posted by DawgCountry
Great State of GA
Member since Sep 2012
30557 posts
Posted on 5/23/18 at 8:44 am to
I think he was referring to a white male gun toting redneck vs a black woman. Media will have a field day with it
Posted by RedPants
GA
Member since Jan 2013
5416 posts
Posted on 5/23/18 at 9:22 am to
quote:

What is your biggest concern with a tax break?

quote:

Is it the government stepping into the business of choosing winners and losers in a free market economy?


Bingo. In a way I understand them, because if we didn't give Delta, Mercedes, Porsche, the movie/tv industry etc. those tax breaks, someone else would and those companies would leave, taking all the jobs with them. The only one that would have to grin and bear it is Delta, they need the infrastructure that only the ATL airport provides.

The only way the selective corporate tax break issue gets fixed is if we get a new set of....and I hate myself for saying this....federal legislation that makes all economic development departments play by the same rules.
This post was edited on 5/23/18 at 9:23 am
Posted by Jefferson Dawg
Member since Sep 2012
31961 posts
Posted on 5/23/18 at 10:13 am to
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In a way I understand them, because if we didn't give Delta, Mercedes, Porsche, the movie/tv industry etc. those tax breaks, someone else would and those companies would leave, taking all the jobs with them.

So, Corporate welfare and handouts are the only way to create prosperity and jobs in Georgia?

Gross.

I wonder how many Georgians who died fighting against this idea are rolling in their graves right now.

Corporatism is just a form of Socialism. It’s really amazing how proudly and openly socialist so many supposed conservatives and most of The Georgia GOP is. Makes me want to tune back out. So very sad.

SIYG’e
Posted by RedPants
GA
Member since Jan 2013
5416 posts
Posted on 5/23/18 at 10:31 am to
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So, Corporate welfare and handouts are the only way to create prosperity and jobs in Georgia?

Given current realities? Yes. It can be changed though, see the rest of my post. Unfortunately, change would require even more federal legislation. We're caught between a rock and a hard place.

And I agree with you Jeff, it's gross.
This post was edited on 5/23/18 at 11:06 am
Posted by Jefferson Dawg
Member since Sep 2012
31961 posts
Posted on 5/23/18 at 11:39 am to
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Given current realities? Yes. It can be changed though, see the rest of my post. Unfortunately, change would require even more federal legislation.

So your solution for too much government........is more government?

Sorry. Does not, can not, and Will never, compute. Ever.


RedPants, You are aware that mommy federal government is infected with the exact same corporatist socialist scam structure as baby state governments are right? Except, of course, that mommy government does theirs on a thousand million times larger, more, destructive level of obscene disgusting criminal insanity.

Maybe, try thinking about heading in the other direction for solutions. Like, say, i dont know.......towards Freedom.
Posted by Jefferson Dawg
Member since Sep 2012
31961 posts
Posted on 5/23/18 at 11:49 am to
RedPants,

Let’s shrink it down. What happens to you, personally, if you don’t pay the taxes the state says you owe them?
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
25634 posts
Posted on 5/23/18 at 11:55 am to
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Bingo. In a way I understand them, because if we didn't give Delta, Mercedes, Porsche, the movie/tv industry etc. those tax breaks, someone else would and those companies would leave, taking all the jobs with them. The only one that would have to grin and bear it is Delta, they need the infrastructure that only the ATL airport provides.

The only way the selective corporate tax break issue gets fixed is if we get a new set of....and I hate myself for saying this....federal legislation that makes all economic development departments play by the same rules.


I don't like the government choosing winners and losers either.

But this is a global economy. Delta is competing against airlines all across the world. The state of Georgia giving them perks is not any different than what goes on in New York, Beijing, Paris, etc.. The perks received by Delta are not costing Georgia companies anything in a competitive disadvantage.

You can say that we are losing tax revenue with the perks. But this is tax revenue that wouldn't exist without the businesses hubbed here. So there isn't a loss.

Jobs are the be all end all. The government doesn't have to create jobs. But government doesn't have to be an impediment either.
Posted by Jefferson Dawg
Member since Sep 2012
31961 posts
Posted on 5/23/18 at 12:08 pm to
quote:

Delta is competing against airlines all across the world. The state of Georgia giving them perks is not any different than what goes on in New York, Beijing, Paris, etc.. The perks received by Delta are not costing Georgia companies anything in a competitive disadvantage. You can say that we are losing tax revenue with the perks. But this is tax revenue that wouldn't exist without the businesses hubbed here. So there isn't a loss.

Er dip a doo blurb a goo ga gee erboo derboo geeeee

Posted by RedPants
GA
Member since Jan 2013
5416 posts
Posted on 5/23/18 at 12:27 pm to
Holy shite Jeff, read an entire post in context for once. I agree with you, more government sucks and I hate it just like you do. I don't want it to be the solution to the corporate welfare given out by the states, but I don't see any other way around it.

Your response is implying I'm supportive of more government, when the opposite is actually true.

Other than just saying "let's try freedom instead!", why don't you give a detailed solution to the problem instead?
Posted by Jefferson Dawg
Member since Sep 2012
31961 posts
Posted on 5/23/18 at 12:34 pm to
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The perks received by Delta are not costing Georgia companies anything in a competitive disadvantage.

Not only do Deltas perks give them a competitive advantage (that’s the whole fricking point)....the non level playing field and all the global meddling means YOU YOURSELF will pay a higher fare when you fly than otherwise.

I swear to God, I want to puke listening to someone not only say that corporate welfare helps the common man, but now fricking Globalism is here to save him too?

I’m sorry, but we are reaching code red danger levels of ignorance here.

Would someone else please speak up so I don’t have to always be the bad guy for pointing things out?
Posted by Jefferson Dawg
Member since Sep 2012
31961 posts
Posted on 5/23/18 at 12:36 pm to
I’m trying to. Let’s start by answering the question I asked you about what happens if you yourself doesn’t pay the taxes the state says you owe them.
Posted by RhodeDawg
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Member since Jun 2016
4450 posts
Posted on 5/23/18 at 1:48 pm to
Not directed at JD.

Government is too big. Way too big.

A conservative cannot believe in government involvement with or influence of private free enterprise.

In the same way big government is interfering with capitalism it's stripping us of our Bill of Rights as US citizens in our private lives.
This post was edited on 5/23/18 at 1:50 pm
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
25634 posts
Posted on 5/23/18 at 1:56 pm to
quote:

A conservative cannot believe in government involvement with or influence of private free enterprise


If that is the case, then what is your opinion of Donald Trump trying to bring more jobs to this country.

How do you feel about Georgia winning bids for filming and production locations?

Your comment is pretty cut and dry. I'm curious if there is some admitted gray.
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora, Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
64051 posts
Posted on 5/23/18 at 1:58 pm to
quote:

Government is too big. Way too big.


Agreed.


quote:

A conservative cannot believe in government involvement with or influence of private free enterprise.


Wrong. There's a difference between a conservative and a libertarian and an anarchist.

Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora, Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
64051 posts
Posted on 5/23/18 at 2:00 pm to
quote:

How do you feel about Georgia winning bids for filming and production locations?


They are doing it with less government actually, because they are competing with California and New York. By having less government involvement than those two states, they are getting the business.
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
25634 posts
Posted on 5/23/18 at 2:07 pm to
quote:

They are doing it with less government actually, because they are competing with California and New York. By having less government involvement than those two states, they are getting the business.



They are doing it with less government through tax incentives.

If the government truly did nothing, they wouldn't be here.

I look at taxes as "not the governments money". Government involvement that gives tax incentives is truly less government. I do not have a problem with tax incentives bringing the jobs and income. These tax incentives are for the entire film industry. Not just MGM and giving them a competitive advantage.

I'm good with it. Better here than in another state (and we don't get tax revenue anyway)
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