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re: Cops are Heros and they protect us.
Posted on 12/29/14 at 6:51 pm to VADawg
Posted on 12/29/14 at 6:51 pm to VADawg
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Whiznot is a liberal bitch.
This route of argument always cracks me up. Someone questions the president, the IRS, etc. then they are a patriotic Sean Hannity approved conservative. If someone questions the military or the police then they are a terrible liberal.
It's such a stupid viewpoint but it's extremely common sadly. Keep your eye on all the bureaucrats whether they have a crew cut or they wear Birkenstocks.
Posted on 12/29/14 at 6:58 pm to Remington Dawg
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Police are our street soldiers
Yep. Cops are military without a common goal or top-notch training. It's a scary thought, actually: Podunk militia roaming the streets. No thanks.
Posted on 12/29/14 at 7:02 pm to FinleyStreet
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top-notch training.
Police get more traning than your standard military troop 10 fold. It's not even a fair comparison.
I only had to qual once a year on M16 and I also worked as security forces as an augmente several times in the military. Did I receive extra training to go serve as a military cop....Nope.
Posted on 12/29/14 at 7:07 pm to Prettyboy Floyd
So it doesn't make you feel uncomfortable seeing pictures of police officers in America suited up like they are about to take Fallujah pointing their guns at non-targets (totally against military protocol), doesn't seem like top notch training to me.
Posted on 12/29/14 at 7:10 pm to Clam Gowder
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So it doesn't make you feel uncomfortable seeing pictures of police officers in America suited up like they are about to take Fallujah pointing their guns at non-targets (totally against military protocol), doesn't seem like top notch training to me.
Rioting makes me uncomfortable. People looting stores make me uncomfortable. Police lining up in walls with big shields attempting to squash these things seems like a smart tactic considering these idiots will hurl things at the police. It's not always easy to tell what is a target and a non target. You have to treat every situation as if your life depends on it because in reality it does.
Most police academies are 6months of training followed by a few months of OJT or on the job training of some type. That isn't 4 years like some college degrees but police training is not some 2 day course and your given a badge and a gun either despite these common misconceptions.
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Posted on 12/29/14 at 7:18 pm to Prettyboy Floyd
I'm not reading through this whole thread, but I've had my fair share of dealings with the 5-0. I've been in the wrong every time. Thing is, I knew when I was fricked so I was respectful the the arresting officer and they showed me the same courtesy. This was all in my younger wilder days but I knew when I was fricked.
Point being, don't be a pos to law enforcement and they won't be one back.
I am white though, so that may make a difference.
Point being, don't be a pos to law enforcement and they won't be one back.
I am white though, so that may make a difference.
Posted on 12/29/14 at 9:38 pm to Spunky
Y'all are some hating assholes.
Posted on 12/29/14 at 11:08 pm to Whiznot
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Many applicants for employment as police are disqualified because they are too smart.
Source please.
Posted on 12/29/14 at 11:17 pm to Tropic Lightning
I have had my share of run ins with the police and also had experience in asking for help.
On the help side, they to a person were polite and more than helpful.
On the run in side, some times I was out of line and got what I deserved. Others I was a bit out of line and probably treated more harshly than I deserved included physical intervention.
I think the police populace has more than their share of assholes but if you pay that wage, and have that education and training requirements, you get what you get.
But it is a tough job. There are not many jobs in the US where you don't know if you will get home alive at the end of the day. So, I give them some due.
On the help side, they to a person were polite and more than helpful.
On the run in side, some times I was out of line and got what I deserved. Others I was a bit out of line and probably treated more harshly than I deserved included physical intervention.
I think the police populace has more than their share of assholes but if you pay that wage, and have that education and training requirements, you get what you get.
But it is a tough job. There are not many jobs in the US where you don't know if you will get home alive at the end of the day. So, I give them some due.
Posted on 12/29/14 at 11:22 pm to WhopperDawg
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Source please.
LINK
There are examples all over the internet but here is one example from a site associated with liberal bitches, Sarah Palin and Ted Cruz who just hate cops.
Posted on 12/30/14 at 12:05 am to Whiznot
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There are examples all over the internet but here is one example from a site associated with liberal bitches, Sarah Palin and Ted Cruz who just hate cops.
There are millions of police departments. You could probably find one willing to take people that would classify as retarded. That doesn't mean it's standard practice.
Posted on 12/30/14 at 12:52 am to Prettyboy Floyd
All I know is my town for the last 40 years. The police here have always been dumb and involved in criminal activity.
In the 1970s two of my best friends were busted by the head narc for possessing a single joint. Jump forward 30 years and the retired former head narc is the owner of several bars where drugs are sold out back. But even worse, the former narc bought my favorite pool hall and turned it into a gay bar.
I hold a grudge.
In the 1970s two of my best friends were busted by the head narc for possessing a single joint. Jump forward 30 years and the retired former head narc is the owner of several bars where drugs are sold out back. But even worse, the former narc bought my favorite pool hall and turned it into a gay bar.
I hold a grudge.
Posted on 12/30/14 at 6:07 am to Tropic Lightning
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I find this line of questioning to be most un-useful to the national dialogue.
Perhaps. But two cops were gunned down...and, as far as we know, they did absolutely nothing wrong. So, are their lives worth any less than anyone elses? How about their wives and childrens? I am not belittling the lives of innocent people that have been killed by cops...but why throw all cops under the bus? Just because some African -Americans kill people needlessly, do we lump all African-Americans in the same bunch? How about white people? Since some white people are neo-nazis, or KKK, are all white people garbage?
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Why doesn't everybody stand up and pat them on the back every time they do something good?
The reason I said that is because you seem to be criticizing all cops for the actions of a few, when in fact, MOST cops do a good job. Every time they stop a car for speeding they put their lives on the line. A police officer will tell you a traffic stop is one of the most stressful, dangerous things a police officer does.
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All I read is "Us vs Them"
Attitudes like you are representing in this thread could be one of the reasons this attitude exists. Think about it. If your job is to protect peple, and you are in constant danger by legitimate bad guys...and constantly criticized by the very people you are putting your life on the line for...well, after awhile you might ask, "What's the use?"
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"whatever I have to do to make it home".
Well, certainly that is a horrible attitude. They should be saying "What the ehck...let me take one for the people that hate me. My family won't mind if I don't come home."
Posted on 12/30/14 at 6:11 am to Clam Gowder
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I agree, selling untaxed cigarettes should result in capital punishment.
Come on....you know better. Nobody said anything like that. However, hat is a HUGE monymake for the mafia. (Or at elast, it used to be) it is illegal. Now you want to pick and choose which laws to be enforced? how about me? Do I get to pick and choose which laws I want to obey? How about Charles Manson? See how this works?
Posted on 12/30/14 at 6:14 am to Clam Gowder
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So it doesn't make you feel uncomfortable seeing pictures of police officers in America suited up like they are about to take Fallujah pointing their guns at non-targets (totally against military protocol), doesn't seem like top notch training to me.
What are non-targets? People running around i the streets hurling molotove cocktails and rocks? Shooting guns and looting? Those non-targets? You know, I was in a town where some rioting was going on....the Black panthers and the KKK were in town. I stayed off the streets. I did not show up to watch. I didn't have a single gun pointed at me.
Posted on 12/30/14 at 6:18 am to WhopperDawg
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I have had my share of run ins with the police and also had experience in asking for help.
On the help side, they to a person were polite and more than helpful.
On the run in side, some times I was out of line and got what I deserved. Others I was a bit out of line and probably treated more harshly than I deserved included physical intervention.
I think the police populace has more than their share of a-holes but if you pay that wage, and have that education and training requirements, you get what you get.
But it is a tough job. There are not many jobs in the US where you don't know if you will get home alive at the end of the day. So, I give them some due.
I have no doubt there are some that let the power go to their heads and they treat some roughly and get out of line. The ONLY times I have come in contact with the police was for a couple of speeding tickets. They were right every time and treated me well. I've been very lucky. But I also see what can happen in the media......but I am careful how I take in what the media says. I have had several instances of the media and have found them to be overreactive and exaggerating. They have caused many more problems than they have helped solve.
Posted on 12/30/14 at 7:24 am to DawgsLife
I wouldn't be a cop for twice what I make annually which would probably be. 8 times what a cop makes now. The job is hard as hell, the working conditions suck and the pay is lousy. I appreciate the hell out of those who do it.
Having said that turning a blind eye or actively covering up for misconduct on the part of some cops makes the job exponentially more difficult for all of them....and they have no one but themselves to blame. I don't know how widespread this is and I want to think it isn't as bad as some would have us believe. The problem is that it doesn't have to be widespread. Society can't function if the people we put in control of maintaining the peace can't refrain from disrupting that peace themselves. I understand that cops have to trust one another and when one of them fricks up the tendency is for others to cover it up because they can't function without a level of trust in others that many of us only know in our spouse IF we are lucky. Even still once that line is crossed that trust is bastardized because it is based on dishonesty....thus their job is even more difficult than it already is because they are now operating on misplaced trust. It is a tough situation and one that only cops themselves can correct. Unfortunately it is the people who are I. Their care and who must at times, trust their life to who wind up being victimized.
Having said that turning a blind eye or actively covering up for misconduct on the part of some cops makes the job exponentially more difficult for all of them....and they have no one but themselves to blame. I don't know how widespread this is and I want to think it isn't as bad as some would have us believe. The problem is that it doesn't have to be widespread. Society can't function if the people we put in control of maintaining the peace can't refrain from disrupting that peace themselves. I understand that cops have to trust one another and when one of them fricks up the tendency is for others to cover it up because they can't function without a level of trust in others that many of us only know in our spouse IF we are lucky. Even still once that line is crossed that trust is bastardized because it is based on dishonesty....thus their job is even more difficult than it already is because they are now operating on misplaced trust. It is a tough situation and one that only cops themselves can correct. Unfortunately it is the people who are I. Their care and who must at times, trust their life to who wind up being victimized.
Posted on 12/30/14 at 8:50 am to germandawg
I really have little to no problem with what you said. My beef is eople that drop all cops in with the bad ones. There are many more good ones than bad ones. We have an imperfect system, but it is a system nonethelss that is better than anarchy.
Posted on 12/30/14 at 9:08 am to Spunky
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Point being, don't be a pos to law enforcement and they won't be one back.
This is such fricking horseshite. A lot of cops were little bitches that got picked on growing up and now they think they are badasses just because they have a badge.
I was in Brogen's at closing time on the front porch. The place had at least a hundred people still in there. This cop said it was time to go I said, "ok" and took a long swig of my beer trying to finish. I paused for a second and tried to take the last swig. As I was bring it to my mouth he slapped the beer out of my hand. We then got into a verbal altercation. Good thing I know people down there.
Another time I was in a Huddle House in Fernandina the Froday night of Georgia-Florida. I had shared a tram from Amelia Island Plantation with some guys that had the cops called on them. I was sitting at a different table and had nothing to do with those guys. Three officers were standing over me as I sat in a booth. I couldn't go anywhere if I tried. I smarted off to one of them and next thing I knew I was yanked out of the booth with my arm halfway up my back and thrown against the glass. I never resisted. Not once. They then had us all out face down in the parking lot yelling at us saying "you fricking Georgia fans think you can come down here and run everything." I spent the night in jail that night with no sleep and of course Georgia got blown out that next day. Long story short, some gusy lost their jobs over that shite.
Posted on 12/30/14 at 9:31 am to HinesvilleThrill
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Long story short, some gusy lost their jobs over that shite.
Thank God. It warms my heart when a shitty bureaucrat loses their job. I think the percent of good vs. bad among cops is similar to other jobs (teachers, accountants, dentists, etc.), but when cops are bad at their job it can have more extreme consequences obviously.
However government employees (which obviously the police are) need a special kind of examination since we all pay their salary.
The weird part is when mouth-breathers call that outlook "liberal".
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