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re: ACL's Tearing at Record Rate in NFL
Posted on 12/11/13 at 7:25 am to Padawgjr
Posted on 12/11/13 at 7:25 am to Padawgjr
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Before we implemented a new S&C program, we had an average of 4 per season.
FOUR ACL tears a year in High School?!?!? Yeah. You needed to change something.
This post was edited on 12/11/13 at 7:26 am
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Posted on 12/11/13 at 8:13 am to Padawgjr
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Especially when you have a guy with knowledge of an average "gym rat" running the program.
If this is your take then everything you've said to this point is irrelevant because you're simply an ignorant pissed off fan.
Posted on 12/11/13 at 10:02 am to K9
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i wasn't being serious, but thanks for dropping that knowledge.....my own personal theory is related to the popularity of intense workout regiments/protein supplements/etc with athletes. I think today's athletes are adding too much weight/muscle mass and their bodies/ligaments can't keep up. A 155 pound guy starts working out/taking protein or whatever and gets up to 180. That guy still has ligaments for 155 pound person. Back in the day people still worked out and transformed their bodies, but I bet it as at slower pace than today's athletes.
I think this makes sense and adds keen insight into the discussion. I would guess that most physiologists would agree.
Posted on 12/11/13 at 11:19 am to Sanford&MunSon
It doesn't really matter UGA has a stove pipe mentality at the top.
Lets just blame all our woes and issues on bad luck and Sun spots.
Ask any idiot Disney uga-member logged on here they will be quick to quote in unison that 'thar is no difference between any programs nutrition/diet and strength and conditioning programming and it doesn't matter if their was.
No UGA fan should criticize or question anything EVER!
Lets just blame all our woes and issues on bad luck and Sun spots.
Ask any idiot Disney uga-member logged on here they will be quick to quote in unison that 'thar is no difference between any programs nutrition/diet and strength and conditioning programming and it doesn't matter if their was.
No UGA fan should criticize or question anything EVER!
This post was edited on 12/11/13 at 12:38 pm
Posted on 12/11/13 at 12:31 pm to BarberitosDawg
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No UGA fan should criticize or question anything EVER!
There's a difference between criticizing or questioning and wanting someone fired with no substantial proof other than "I'm pretty sure that S&C is directly related to ACL injuries". There isn't and you sound really fricking ignorant when you just scream that you want everyone fired with no proof or science to actually back up the claims you're regurgitating from other people on a message board.
Posted on 12/11/13 at 12:31 pm to DawgsLife
That was an average. We had at least 4 major guys go down every year. Once we implemented simple exorcizes to strengthen the ligaments, this number went down dramatically. We don't dress 120 players, or whatever the huge programs do. Though, we still virtually cut out the problem with a simple test. It's that simple. Educating players on the precursors to an injury is also very important. Any trainer will tell you this. That's why the MM thing infuriates me!
Posted on 12/11/13 at 12:45 pm to gatorhata9
Would you please show the forum one link to where I ever made one direct reference to the fact that ACL injuries alone were caused by by our lackadaisical baboons which UGA has running the show over on the good ship loli pop (UGA football).
I will leave the forum forever, gone, if you can back that smack up with one link showing where I said it Sir...
I will leave the forum forever, gone, if you can back that smack up with one link showing where I said it Sir...
Posted on 12/11/13 at 12:58 pm to BarberitosDawg
I wasn't talking specifically about you, I was using generalities, like how you referred to Disney's. And considering your tone and the thread you chimed in on, it's probably not far off from your point of view (if I had to guess).
This post was edited on 12/11/13 at 12:59 pm
Posted on 12/11/13 at 1:20 pm to gatorhata9
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If this is your take then everything you've said to this point is irrelevant because you're simply an ignorant pissed off fan.
Pissed off has nothing to do with this subject. I'm simply stating that we don't do everything we can to educate these kids on what the precursors of an injury are and don't take preventative measures to fix it. This is based on experiance working with HS kids and the results we have seen over the past few years. Not pissed at the coaches, but I am critical when we lose so many critical players to little or no contact plays, resulting in ACL injuries.
Posted on 12/11/13 at 2:10 pm to Padawgjr
Do you really think Tereshinski has the knowledge of your "average gym rat"?
Posted on 12/11/13 at 2:17 pm to gatorhata9
No, but he is very under qualified. Considering the certifications and qualifications required at major programs today.
Posted on 12/11/13 at 2:20 pm to gatorhata9
Tereshinski may have more knowledge than the average gym rat, but we could do much better than him.
Posted on 12/11/13 at 2:58 pm to Sanford&MunSon
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Tereshinski may have more knowledge than the average gym rat, but we could do much better than him.
We could do better than him. There's always someone better. I just don't by that certifications and all that is the end all be all. Work experience counts for something and if you think Coach T is just a grunting idiot with minimal knowledge of S&C because he isn't certified then you might be certifiable.
Posted on 12/11/13 at 3:36 pm to gatorhata9
Idk man. I'm all about certifications when it comes to certain things. The field of exercise and sports science is always evolving and it certainly doesn't hurt to be qualified and have a firm understanding of how the body responds to certain training techniques. Also, it helps to be up to date and current with modern forms of training. I don't blame Joe T for the string of injuries this year, but I do think it was a weak hire. However, say the team has another outbreak of injuries next season it would only be logical to take a look at the teams current method of training and make changes accordingly. To each his own though.
Posted on 12/11/13 at 3:50 pm to gatorhata9
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Do you really think Tereshinski has the knowledge of your "average gym rat"?
No, but do you really think he is anywhere close to a "master strength coach"?
Considering the way our guys get pushed around in the trenches like little girls, I do not.
Posted on 12/11/13 at 3:55 pm to Nicolae
How many ACL tears have our players had since CJT came on board?
Would this season be an anomaly or par for the course?
If an anomaly, perhaps it isn't the coach that is the problem here.
Would this season be an anomaly or par for the course?
If an anomaly, perhaps it isn't the coach that is the problem here.
Posted on 12/11/13 at 4:04 pm to gatorhata9
Posted on 12/11/13 at 4:06 pm to Sanford&MunSon
quote:Like any other profession...Here's kind of an analogy...
The field of exercise and sports science is always evolving
Joe T is like old Dr. Clark who is still living in D'ville, he was my Doc when I was a kid in the 60's & 70's. He was & is still a very smart, kind & dedicated GP... The thing is, his office, his methods & his way of dealing with illnesses & injuries have changed very little since the 70's & 80's. He truly believes he's doing the best for his patients due to his years of experience...
Should I go to him over a younger more up to date PHD. with the latest training, equipment, treatment & ideas because Dr. Clark is "Old School" & learned & honed his techniques thru his "experience"...
Think I'll just go to my younger GP (S&C coach) who is up to date on the latest advances in the profession...
I love Dr. Clark to death but he doesn't serve me or my families best interest's in the long run...
This post was edited on 12/11/13 at 4:09 pm
Posted on 12/11/13 at 4:54 pm to dallasga6
I understand your view point on the analogy. I will say that we got rid of Van Halenger to revamp the S&C program. Then we replace him with Joe T2, who learned most of his techniques from Van Halenger. So, we really didn't upgrade anything. The guy that runs the program is basically of the same mindset as the old one. So, not much of an upgrade.
I do think that we would be a much better team all around with a better S&C Coach that has done more with less. We could easily get a Boise State guy or a Baylor guy, with what we pay Joe T and Company. I really don't think that's too much to ask for a top level program like UGA. I really don't think that we lose as many guys or as many games, for that matter, if we have a more innovative S&C program. We have guys that were proven to be top guys 20 years ago. So, I understand why you feel that S&C isn't our biggest issue.
Then you look at what we pay these guys compared to other SEC schools. Kentucky pays their S&C coaches an average of $30,000 more per coach. Thatis rediculous.
I do think that we would be a much better team all around with a better S&C Coach that has done more with less. We could easily get a Boise State guy or a Baylor guy, with what we pay Joe T and Company. I really don't think that's too much to ask for a top level program like UGA. I really don't think that we lose as many guys or as many games, for that matter, if we have a more innovative S&C program. We have guys that were proven to be top guys 20 years ago. So, I understand why you feel that S&C isn't our biggest issue.
Then you look at what we pay these guys compared to other SEC schools. Kentucky pays their S&C coaches an average of $30,000 more per coach. Thatis rediculous.
Posted on 12/11/13 at 6:24 pm to Padawgjr
Unless you've gone through a workout with coach T, you have no clue what you're talking about. I'm gonna give the guy with the job the benefit of the doubt over some guys on a message board.
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