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re: 2018 UGA Recruiting Thread (commits, offers, visits, etc.) - Back to that #1 class

Posted on 1/31/18 at 11:21 am to
Posted by fibonaccisquared
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Posted on 1/31/18 at 11:21 am to
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wasn't Wims a 3*

Finished as a 4* in JUCO... generally speaking, they tend to be downgraded a bit also.

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Keep in mind, that prior to his time in JUCO, he'd primarily been a basketball player. Wasn't a bad eval, just not enough to go on... he also didn't really "blossom" until this year, so all in all his eval was probably pretty fair.

Green is 6'2"-6'3" and looks to be talented, but unless there is more room in this class than we think, I'm not sure I see how we can afford to take him. We have a lot of similar players at WR right now in Blount, Holloman, and Ridley. Bush was attractive because of the size comparison to Wims... if you're not getting that kind of target/player, it would seem a better usage of the spot to use it on another DL (if we could take Davis, Sandidge, and Walthour) or another flex defender (Reese or O'Neal in addition to Walker). There are so many moving pieces though between other schools landing some of them or players not qualifying, that those may not all be options, which is where I see Green fitting in if Bush is a no go.

ETA: I think I'd rather have kept Wildgoose than add Green as well... but that at least would have been more debatable.
This post was edited on 1/31/18 at 11:22 am
Posted by fibonaccisquared
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Posted on 1/31/18 at 11:30 am to
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Our 247 board is saying Bush is headed to Ole Mess? really?


The offensive balance is certainly a concern when you think about WR for us... throwing the ball only 30-35% of the time isn't exactly likely to get you "sexy draft potential" numbers. Wims was a beast for us and is looking at a 3-5th round grade unless he just blows the combine away. I can understand it at least... Ole Miss landed a quality QB and tends to throw the ball a fair amount.

433 Passing Attempts
367 "Rushing Attempts" (this includes all of the QB sacks and Patterson ended up with negative total rushing yards... so probably could safely skew the balance by about an additional net of 50 - +25 passing attempts that ended up sacks or scrambles -25 "rushing attempts")

This was in 12 games.

UGA ended up with only 303 passing attempts in 15 games.

Not saying I agree with the choice if he ends up there, but it's not like it's completely illogical either. They have one more year of bowl ban... and the restrictions ended up not being *that* bad either.

ETA: If I were in his shoes and was leaning away from UGA, it sure seems like a Big XII school would be more likely to set me up for the draft than Ole Miss... Texas seems the obvious choice in that instance if they are really after him. That program is going to get better under Herman... whether we like it or not.
This post was edited on 1/31/18 at 11:33 am
Posted by dawg4lyfe
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Posted on 1/31/18 at 12:13 pm to
Yeah OM doesn't make sense especially with Shea leaving
Posted by DawgsLife
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Posted on 1/31/18 at 12:24 pm to
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Yeah OM doesn't make sense especially with Shea leaving



They just got Matt Corral, and the kid that took Patterson's place after he got injured looked pretty good, too. Ole Miss, in spite of the sanctions, seems to be doing pretty well recruiting. Surprisingly well, imo. However, if their coach falls flat that will go away. I actually like their coach, from a personality standpoint, though, so I kind of hope he does well.
Posted by BreezyDawg
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Posted on 1/31/18 at 12:59 pm to
Bush isn't a big loss for us. I though Ole Miss's hire was stupid, but it's really working for them in recruiting. Also they only have 1 more year until they can play in another bowl, so that's not so bad for incoming freshman
Posted by DawgRff
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Posted on 1/31/18 at 1:03 pm to
I would love to see a wr with Bush's size and speed but who was the last big wr to dominate in big games. At least the last 3 National Champions didn't utilize a big, physical receiver. Do I want another Javon Wims, frick yeah. But Kearis Jackson at 6'0 200lbs could be a surprise get. He was outstanding in camp. I'm wishing to close out with Otis "my man" Reese, Quay Walker, and Sandidge. Long shot but certainly possible.
Posted by dawg4lyfe
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Posted on 1/31/18 at 1:09 pm to
Not to mention we have Holloman who was RS last year as well as Matt Landers who is 6'5. And apparently the coaches were having a ton of trouble not burning his RS because of him balling out on the scout team
Posted by HTDawg
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Posted on 1/31/18 at 2:38 pm to
When you watch Holloman play, he looks like a beast in the making. The way he runs, the way he catches the ball, the way he cuts, and the way he attacks it in the air. He's not quite as big as Wims, but he should be a good one. Our receivers and RBs shouldn't miss a beat, and our OL will be bigger, stronger, better, only with more depth.
Posted by fibonaccisquared
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Posted on 1/31/18 at 2:50 pm to
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Not to mention we have Holloman who was RS last year as well as Matt Landers who is 6'5. And apparently the coaches were having a ton of trouble not burning his RS because of him balling out on the scout team


Did Holloman retroactively end up with a redshirt? Was pretty sure he saw some time (247 shows him playing one game, one catch on 2 targets). I know he had some injury stuff this season, so maybe we petition(ed) to get a redshirt for him?
Posted by DawgRff
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Posted on 1/31/18 at 2:52 pm to
Careful with that. This is basically what I said in a thread I made. Not everyone agreed.
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This post was edited on 1/31/18 at 2:53 pm
Posted by GeorgiaBoy
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Posted on 1/31/18 at 2:59 pm to
Well, that's just because you're a shitty poster!

Posted by DawgRff
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Posted on 1/31/18 at 3:08 pm to
Thank you, I do what I can
Posted by fibonaccisquared
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Posted on 1/31/18 at 3:53 pm to
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Well, that's just because you're a shitty poster!


This seems to be pretty accurate... but more likely the reason people disagreed with him is because his claims were not in-line with what HT just mentioned.

Could we *produce* at a higher level with *some* of those athletes? Sure... are they "better" than their 2017 counterparts... probably not in almost every case. And of the positions listed, Wims is probably the one guy that we can actually replace fairly well... perhaps not in the jump ball skills unless Landers really comes on, but from a pure WR standpoint, Ridley showed in the National Championship game that he's more than up to the task to be a solid player at WR, and that doesn't account for Holloman or Blount who have room to grow as well.

We'll have an improved OL, Fromm with another offseason worth of practice... there is room for optimism about an improved offense over a year ago, despite the losses.... But claiming that 2018 Swift is somehow definitively better than 2017 Michel (or Michel over his career) is silly. Or Holyfield > Chubb... in what world? Holyfield has actually looked to be a very solid runner and I *do* think he can probably deliver a 2017 Chubb-like performance if given the opportunity... The only way the comment has any validity is if you specifically define "better" exclusively as a function of production... and even then, it's pretty speculative.

I don't believe that Holloman will offer the Wims 50/50 jump ball skillset that we're likely to be missing, but I do think he'll be a great WR for us... something that I was not as confident in when we signed him as a recruit. There is a lot of room for confidence in the WR talent that we have right now... something that is weird to type after several years of what felt like an uninspired group of players there.

Would have really liked to add Bush in this class, but the trend seems to be that it's unlikely.
Posted by djsdawg
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Posted on 1/31/18 at 6:06 pm to
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see a wr with Bush's size and speed but who was the last big wr to dominate in big games. At least the last 3 National Champions didn't utilize a big, physical receiver.


Clemson doesn't win vs Bama without one in 2016. Uga would have won if wims played like his usual self vs Bama.
Posted by DawgRff
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Posted on 1/31/18 at 6:45 pm to
You're right, Williams was big in that game but 5'10 Renfrow was the dagger. I want Bush bad but not getting him won't hurt our Championship run this year.
Posted by djsdawg
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Posted on 1/31/18 at 7:01 pm to
Can't use the dagger if you aren't in range because of the beast.
Posted by fibonaccisquared
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Posted on 1/31/18 at 7:24 pm to
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You're right, Williams was big in that game but 5'10 Renfrow was the dagger. I want Bush bad but not getting him won't hurt our Championship run this year.


Williams draws double coverage/extra attention... slot receiver (Renfrow) gets plus matchup... it's not quite as simple as one guy being the receiver who makes a difference. The upside, we have Mecole who can fill the slot receiver role well, with Crumpton already on the roster and Kearis Jackson joining... finding the guy who will provide the big target outside is going to be important... Bush wasn't likely to be that guy in 2018 anyways, but 6'5" receivers with his speed and skills don't grow on trees...

I am hoping that we'll try to pull a guy like Amir Abdur-Rahman (6'4" raw WR/TE... makes me think of Woerner a bit) for a PWO still (though it looks like he may have a commitable offer from Vandy, which would be tough to pass up at this point). Even if not him, it will be interesting to see who we start to try to bring in the PWO program this year... already seeing some solid pulls like Blake Anderson and Nicholas Sligh... offer outstanding to Matt Downing (QB).

Was just looking at receiving leaders in GA this year and don't see Sedrion Morse on any of the major services... 6'3" WR who was named 1st team all state for the 3A division... the same division that Haselwood plays in (was 1st team DB). He doesn't look like Haselwood, but if he doesn't have any offers, would be an interesting WR PWO pickup if possible as well. (Can't find any academic info on him like I was able to for many others). For that matter, his QB doesn't seem to have *any* offers... all he did was sprout up 2 inches to 6'2" this year, throw for 4500+ yards and 49 touch downs... Doesn't seem to have the best grades/test scores if what I saw online is correct though, so PWO might not be an option for him.
This post was edited on 1/31/18 at 7:38 pm
Posted by AUGDawg
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Posted on 1/31/18 at 7:47 pm to
A buddy of mine from Clemson sent me a screen shot of their message board.

"Kirby Smart just landed on the 50 yard line in a helicopter at Providence Day High School in Charlotte earlier. This guy is going to be a problem"
Posted by fibonaccisquared
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Posted on 1/31/18 at 8:24 pm to
Would have to assume that's for top 10 overall (at present at least) 2020 DE Jacolbe Cowan...
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Posted by fibonaccisquared
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Posted on 1/31/18 at 8:44 pm to
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Would have to assume that's for top 10 overall (at present at least) 2020 DE Jacolbe Cowan...


Apparently, another player there is having their recruiting blow up this week as well (Penn St, Ohio St, Michigan offers - none from UGA yet, but possibly forthcoming after this visit):
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6'2" 220 ILB - Osita Ekwonu

Film actually looks pretty damn impressive: LINK
This post was edited on 1/31/18 at 8:47 pm
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