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re: Scenarios that get us to the Cotton Bowl against tu.
Posted on 9/20/12 at 9:34 am to aggressor
Posted on 9/20/12 at 9:34 am to aggressor
We need to get our feet fully on the ground and establish our identify as an SEC team (more so than we have now) before we play them again. Minimum of 5 years.
One thing I will say is that we need to lock LSU in as a TG weekend opponent for the long term. Lock texas out of that weekend (playing a decent opponent....tcu/tech don't count). If/when we play them again, it can be in September. Let Deloss' legacy be killing TG weekend forever.
Plus, and I'm not just saying this to spite tu, I am genuinlly more excited about the idea of playing LSU to end the year than I am with the sips. In 10 years, it will exceed texas-OU. Just watch.
One thing I will say is that we need to lock LSU in as a TG weekend opponent for the long term. Lock texas out of that weekend (playing a decent opponent....tcu/tech don't count). If/when we play them again, it can be in September. Let Deloss' legacy be killing TG weekend forever.
Plus, and I'm not just saying this to spite tu, I am genuinlly more excited about the idea of playing LSU to end the year than I am with the sips. In 10 years, it will exceed texas-OU. Just watch.
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Posted on 9/20/12 at 9:41 am to texasaggie08
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Plus, and I'm not just saying this to spite tu, I am genuinlly more excited about the idea of playing LSU to end the year than I am with the sips. In 10 years, it will exceed texas-OU. Just watch.
Call me crazy, but I feel this way as well. The LSU/A&M rivalry is a powder keg waiting to explode.
Posted on 9/20/12 at 10:34 am to texasaggie08
I don't disagree with your points, though I don't think waiting 5 years will really matter. The damage has been done to Texas, they just don't realize it yet. Up until this last weekend Texas was basically personna non grata in college football. Nobody was talking about them or caring about them. Now they are going into a Big 12 schedule where outside of the RRS no one will care except when they lose. At the same time we are a non stop story and will play big game after big game. That scenario is now locked up long term. We already won, just embrace that. Texas is now at a significant disadvantage to us long term. The SEC is about to go from being the best conference to being "There is the SEC, and then there is everyone else." It's already happening.
When they start playing us again WE will actually still be the bigger story. Once the SEC Network deal is announced with ESPN it's really all over. If ESPN essentially is going to be invested for several BILLION dollars between Tier 2 and Tier 3 TV deals with the SEC and they understand the key to making money (esp after the LHN fail) is getting carriers to pay money they are going to hype the crap out of the SEC to new levels. Since Texas is by far the largest SEC state but has new and weak ties they are going to give us endless love. It's all about the dollar bills in the end.
This is actually another reason why the rivalry will continue btw. Imagine in a few years this game either opening the season or being in the first 3 games. Gameday is basically a lock for it every year, not only because it is a big game but it would combine 2 of ESPN's biggest investments. That doesn't even account for the immense political pressure happening behind the scenes to get this thing going again on both sides. Red McCombs has openly showed his anger about the rivalry ending and he is by far the largest donor to Texas. Rick Perry has appointed the entire Texas BoR. There are millions of dollars simply left on the table as well by not playing it, it's a significant economic impact event when you consider both schools would otherwise be playing a nobody.
BTW, LSU is going to be freaking epic on Thanksgiving weekend. When I was in school that game was actually hyped more than the Texas game because we freaking owned the sips. There is a lot of mutual respect mixed with hate that makes that game awesome. If you have never been on campus for an LSU weekend don't miss it. Also, an LSU weekend where you stay in NO and get hammered on Bourbon street with Aggies everywhere and head up to the game the next day is a truly special thing. Once we beat LSU the hate is going to go OFF THE CHARTS. I remember it all too well from the '90s. It's going to get nasty in a fantastic way and all kinds of fun.
When they start playing us again WE will actually still be the bigger story. Once the SEC Network deal is announced with ESPN it's really all over. If ESPN essentially is going to be invested for several BILLION dollars between Tier 2 and Tier 3 TV deals with the SEC and they understand the key to making money (esp after the LHN fail) is getting carriers to pay money they are going to hype the crap out of the SEC to new levels. Since Texas is by far the largest SEC state but has new and weak ties they are going to give us endless love. It's all about the dollar bills in the end.
This is actually another reason why the rivalry will continue btw. Imagine in a few years this game either opening the season or being in the first 3 games. Gameday is basically a lock for it every year, not only because it is a big game but it would combine 2 of ESPN's biggest investments. That doesn't even account for the immense political pressure happening behind the scenes to get this thing going again on both sides. Red McCombs has openly showed his anger about the rivalry ending and he is by far the largest donor to Texas. Rick Perry has appointed the entire Texas BoR. There are millions of dollars simply left on the table as well by not playing it, it's a significant economic impact event when you consider both schools would otherwise be playing a nobody.
BTW, LSU is going to be freaking epic on Thanksgiving weekend. When I was in school that game was actually hyped more than the Texas game because we freaking owned the sips. There is a lot of mutual respect mixed with hate that makes that game awesome. If you have never been on campus for an LSU weekend don't miss it. Also, an LSU weekend where you stay in NO and get hammered on Bourbon street with Aggies everywhere and head up to the game the next day is a truly special thing. Once we beat LSU the hate is going to go OFF THE CHARTS. I remember it all too well from the '90s. It's going to get nasty in a fantastic way and all kinds of fun.
Posted on 9/20/12 at 10:48 am to aggressor
Aggressor,
Unless the CFB playoff opens up to more than 4 teams, I wouldn't expect a permanent A&M / t.u. series to begin again anytime soon ... especially when the SEC goes to a 9 game schedule.
Unless the CFB playoff opens up to more than 4 teams, I wouldn't expect a permanent A&M / t.u. series to begin again anytime soon ... especially when the SEC goes to a 9 game schedule.
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Posted on 9/20/12 at 11:21 am to Smoke Ring
I think you greatly underestimate the political and financial forces at work. BTW, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see college football allow 13 game seasons soon. When Dodds and Powers are gone (which is going to happen, and sooner than most think) the playing field will change dramatically. As long as Loftin is President you can also be assured we will move mountains on our side as well.
I remember after the '10 realignment fail when lots of folks thought we were either locked in to the Big 12 long term or that our chance to go to the SEC would be many years away. Things can change fast, especially when the money and politics are there.
Oh, and be prepared that no matter how it comes down in reality it will be spun as Texas' graciously helping out their poor little brother. I've always found that stuff to be funny. We are now bigger and we have always been older than Texas. For everything they can claim superiority in we can also do so. Still, you can't win that war. It's kind of like Republicans that get mad because the Democrats get more favorable media coverage. The key is though, none of that really matters.
I remember after the '10 realignment fail when lots of folks thought we were either locked in to the Big 12 long term or that our chance to go to the SEC would be many years away. Things can change fast, especially when the money and politics are there.
Oh, and be prepared that no matter how it comes down in reality it will be spun as Texas' graciously helping out their poor little brother. I've always found that stuff to be funny. We are now bigger and we have always been older than Texas. For everything they can claim superiority in we can also do so. Still, you can't win that war. It's kind of like Republicans that get mad because the Democrats get more favorable media coverage. The key is though, none of that really matters.
Posted on 9/20/12 at 1:15 pm to aggressor
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I always thought Auburn/Bama was just as bad but reading the Rant those folks are civil with one another unless they are talking about playing. They even root for each other in Non Conference.
Well. You're wrong. Alabama/Auburn is way worse. People bought t-shirts with Bevo's horns band-aided up for the National Title game. Actually paid money for that shirt. The rivalry between A&M/tu is MUCH more civil than the Iron Bowl.
Posted on 9/20/12 at 1:16 pm to TeLeFaWx
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People bought t-shirts with Bevo's horns band-aided up for the National Title game. Actually paid money for that shirt.
Look where that got us...
Posted on 9/20/12 at 1:16 pm to Smoke Ring
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Aggressor,
Unless the CFB playoff opens up to more than 4 teams, I wouldn't expect a permanent A&M / t.u. series to begin again anytime soon ... especially when the SEC goes to a 9 game schedule.
This. I think A&M would welcome it at any point, but we asked over a year ago, Dodds said no. The ball is in their court, and honestly let's just wait for that to happen.
Posted on 9/20/12 at 1:19 pm to Smoke Ring
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Unless the CFB playoff opens up to more than 4 teams, I wouldn't expect a permanent A&M / t.u. series to begin again anytime soon ... especially when the SEC goes to a 9 game schedule.
I doubt the SEC goes to a 9-game schedule. Sure there are reasons to do so, but frankly, the people that think this is obvious for the most part are not thinking like an AD.
TV money <<<<<< gate receipts + bowl game/winning record
You know what a home game nets us? $5-6m. Take a home game away every other year and it's $2.5m/year. That's a direct cost of going to 9 games. And it limits scheduling games like LSS or UF-FSU, UGA-GT, etc.
I think you are going to continue to see the schools that play these OOC rivalry games to vote this down and I think the rest of us are just going to have to upgrade our non-conf schedule (which has the same effect on inventory btw). We have USC and Oregon coming in a few years. The home game is part of the SEC contract. Meanwhile LSU may play some other B1G/Pac school like they have been (Wash, Ore). Add a 9th game and remove those is net neutral to good content.
Posted on 9/20/12 at 1:25 pm to tmc94
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I doubt the SEC goes to a 9-game schedule. Sure there are reasons to do so, but frankly, the people that think this is obvious for the most part are not thinking like an AD.
TV money <<<<<< gate receipts + bowl game/winning record
You know what a home game nets us? $5-6m. Take a home game away every other year and it's $2.5m/year. That's a direct cost of going to 9 games. And it limits scheduling games like LSS or UF-FSU, UGA-GT, etc.
I think you are going to continue to see the schools that play these OOC rivalry games to vote this down and I think the rest of us are just going to have to upgrade our non-conf schedule (which has the same effect on inventory btw). We have USC and Oregon coming in a few years. The home game is part of the SEC contract. Meanwhile LSU may play some other B1G/Pac school like they have been (Wash, Ore). Add a 9th game and remove those is net neutral to good content.
How much of a difference though? Really? I mean major conferences already have 9 game conference schedules.
The gate receipt thing... jumps up a bit when it is a real opponent. The ticket office just cut the price in half for tickets to SC State, if I'm not mistaken. You wouldn't have to do that for an SEC game, and it would most likely be sold out.
Posted on 9/20/12 at 1:29 pm to TeLeFaWx
Rivalries more bitter than A&M/t.u. (from my experience):
Bama/Auburn
Mich/tOSU
Mizzou/Kansas
Lots of bad blood between the Aggies and horns, but the sheer vitriol of the above matchups is on a different level, in my opinion (especially the Mizz/KU Border War). Doesn't make them better rivalries, but even more cutthroat.
Bama/Auburn
Mich/tOSU
Mizzou/Kansas
Lots of bad blood between the Aggies and horns, but the sheer vitriol of the above matchups is on a different level, in my opinion (especially the Mizz/KU Border War). Doesn't make them better rivalries, but even more cutthroat.
Posted on 9/20/12 at 1:35 pm to TeLeFaWx
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How much of a difference though? Really? I mean major conferences already have 9 game conference schedules.
honestly I don't care what anyone else is doing. We should do what is best for us.
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The gate receipt thing... jumps up a bit when it is a real opponent. The ticket office just cut the price in half for tickets to SC State, if I'm not mistaken. You wouldn't have to do that for an SEC game, and it would most likely be sold out.
Of course. But it's pretty marginal. If we go to 9 conference games and play 3 OOC patsies, is that any different than 1 good OOC, 3 patsies, and 8 conference games? It isn't from a tv inventory and it isn't from a gate receipt standpoint. It really means very little to us.
If you remove one of the patsies, which someone like Florida would be forced to do, you are eliminating several million from their bottom line no matter how you slice it. And Florida will never get any freedom in scheduling. For monetary reasons they will always have to play patsies OOC in their 2 remaining slots.
There just isn't enough juice to make it worthwhile imo. The single biggest factor is playing cross-division more often and that is important. But I just don't think it's important enough to make this a "have-to" type of thing. We may do it. We may not. But my guess is we will be asked to buck up our OOC schedule instead and we won't go to 9 games.
Posted on 9/20/12 at 1:39 pm to TbirdSpur2010
My whole family is from Oklahoma. They hate tu more than we do. They aren't around them, they don't work with them. They hate the whole STATE of Texas, and they hate tu even more we do. The vitrol is on a COMPLETELY different level. The only time I've ever seen them band together on anything is over this recent conference thing, but it disgusts them.
The sips may hate us marginally more than they hate the Sooners, but as far as the overall rivalry, it is far more bitter than our own. Far more.
The sips may hate us marginally more than they hate the Sooners, but as far as the overall rivalry, it is far more bitter than our own. Far more.
Posted on 9/20/12 at 1:41 pm to TeLeFaWx
D'oh! t.u./OU, how could I omit that one, you're absolutely right.
I freaking live in Oklahoma right now, too
Inexcusable 
I freaking live in Oklahoma right now, too
Inexcusable Posted on 9/20/12 at 1:42 pm to tmc94
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There just isn't enough juice to make it worthwhile imo.
Well you'll change your mind when it actually happens.
Posted on 9/20/12 at 1:51 pm to TeLeFaWx
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Well you'll change your mind when it actually happens.
so you have no logical reason you can articulate?
Posted on 9/20/12 at 2:23 pm to TeLeFaWx
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I always thought Auburn/Bama was just as bad but reading the Rant those folks are civil with one another unless they are talking about playing. They even root for each other in Non Conference.
Well. You're wrong. Alabama/Auburn is way worse. People bought t-shirts with Bevo's horns band-aided up for the National Title game. Actually paid money for that shirt. The rivalry between A&M/tu is MUCH more civil than the Iron Bowl.
Great example. A LOT of Auburn folks openly pulled for Bama a few years ago when the played in the Title game against Texas. They root for the fellow SEC team and look at the welfare of the conference first. The few morons that bought those stupid shirts at A&M were ostracized as though they had just joined Al Queda.
Oklahoma folks hate Texas but the hate just isn't really both ways. I have lived in Austin since '98 and while they talk about the game and occasionally make an off color joke about Okies it's nothing compared to their hatred of A&M. Texas has done everything they could to sabotage A&M for 100 years, they even put their hatred above what is in the best interests of the State, much less the conference. Obviously Aggies hatred of Texas is well documented. I guess the big difference I have seen is Aggies and sips hate all year round in every sport and every thing that is competitive. You just don't see that with the other schools as much. The back and forth and traditions on both sides are too numerous to name. Have any of those other rivalries had something to rival Bonfire or the fact the sips responded to it with a Hex Rally? Both of our schools talk about each other in our fight songs. It's pervasive throughout everything between the schools.
As for the 9th Conference game I think it happens as a part of the SEC Network to allow for more games on it. I also think 13 games is on the horizon because there is just too much money to be made. If you follow the money you will always find the answer. That is why we are in the SEC and that is why we will eventually play Texas every year.
Posted on 9/20/12 at 4:21 pm to aggressor
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Oklahoma folks hate Texas but the hate just isn't really both ways. I have lived in Austin since '98 and while they talk about the game and occasionally make an off color joke about Okies it's nothing compared to their hatred of A&M.
The amount of hatred the Okies have for tu is greater than our hatred. And it ain't even close. Far greater than the separation between the hatred tu has for us, and the Sooners.
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Texas has done everything they could to sabotage A&M for 100 years
Openly lobbied for us to get in to the AAU. Sponsored us. Other than that, I can't really think of sabotage.
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Have any of those other rivalries had something to rival Bonfire or the fact the sips responded to it with a Hex Rally?
The amount of people that know what the Hex Rally is very small and it went away for a long time. The participation was really small even when they brought it back. Not a big deal at all. Other than that, they don't really have any traditions towards us that are any different than Alabama to Auburn.
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Both of our schools talk about each other in our fight songs. It's pervasive throughout everything between the schools.
They yell "OU SUCKS" in their fight song louder that they say goodbye to A&M, and mentioning other schools in a fight song doesn't really mean much, and isn't unique.
Posted on 9/20/12 at 4:22 pm to tmc94
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so you have no logical reason you can articulate?
I mean. Other than your logical arguments are wrong? The money for a 9th conference game will be too much. TV money + increased gate revenue for a good game > revenue for crappy game.
Posted on 9/20/12 at 4:41 pm to TeLeFaWx
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The amount of hatred the Okies have for tu is greater than our hatred. And it ain't even close.
Gonna have to agree to disagree on that one, FaWx
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