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Now that Luke Joeckel leaving is official

Posted on 1/8/13 at 1:04 pm
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
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Posted on 1/8/13 at 1:04 pm
What does our line look like?

We know Jake Matthews and Jarvis Harrison will lock up the left side.

We know that Mike Matthews will be the center.

The right side is what is in question. Does Ced move to right tackle and Compton to right guard...or does Cheek take right tackle and Ced remain at right guard?
Posted by tmc94
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 1/8/13 at 1:11 pm to
here is what Lee Grimes posted this morning

quote:

This is the hopeful depth chart

LT Joeckel Ifedi Stuckey Wilson
LG Harrison Compton Tipoti Aguilar
C M. Matthews Compton
RG Ogbuehi Klinke Gutekunst
RT J. Matthews Cheek Gustafson

If Joeckel leaves, which i think he should, I think that Ifedi gets the first shot in the spring, but they will try matthews and Ogbuehi as well just to see what line makes the best fit. In my personal opinion i think the final line would be Ogbuehi at LT, Harrison at LG, Matthews at C, Compton at RG, and Matthews at RT.
Posted by BigAggie06
Houston
Member since Aug 2011
952 posts
Posted on 1/8/13 at 1:19 pm to
I think the only thing we know for Certain is that the 4 known starters are Jake, Jarvis, Mike and Ced.

Everyone agrees that Jake will most likely slide to the left (Ced could step in there and be fine but Jake is definitely the better player so that should be his landing spot)

The last spot I think comes down to Ifedi/Kimo/Compton/Cheek (we could throw Klinke in there but I just don't see it happening, could be wrong).

Kimo and/or Ifedi could be complete studs, no one really knows; personally I would love for one of them to lock up the starting position at RG just because it would mean that 1) they are better than the rest and 2) we will have a guy with some serious longevity holding down the G position in the future.

Baring one of the Fish coming out and wowing everyone I think it comes down to a few things (that we already discussed CGSC but I will post here for those that weren't reading the Rant thread).

1) Who has a better off season Compton or Cheek?
2) How important is it to have Compton reserved as backup C?
3) Do the coaches want the added disruption of moving Ced out of the G position he played in all year in favor of putting him at RT?

I am inclined to think that Compton will have the better offseason and our starting 5 will be

LT - Jake
LG - Jarvis
C - Mike
RG - Compton
RG - Ced

I am only basing this on what I have heard and seen from Compton from a physical stand point; I have seen several references to him just being one of the most physical guys on the team; you just don't hear much about Cheek.

But at the same time it wouldn't surprise me no matter what happens; despite losing Luke I think we are still insanely talented on the OL.
Posted by BigAggie06
Houston
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Posted on 1/8/13 at 1:21 pm to
Grimes is thinking the same as I am with the exception of: I think Jake slides to LT IF he wants it.

Coaches won't stop him if he wants it and he performs well in practice. It is also best for him to want to from a career stand point.
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 1/8/13 at 3:13 pm to
Would we redshirt all four of our incoming linemen?
Posted by tmc94
Member since Sep 2012
11559 posts
Posted on 1/8/13 at 4:05 pm to
quote:

Would we redshirt all four of our incoming linemen?

why would any play? Mike Matthews only did because the coaches wanted him to get experience knowing he's a no-brainer to start.

Before that you'd have to go back to Luke/Jake to find an olineman that didn't redshirt but they are both top 10 NFL picks plus our Oline sucked back then (Compton I suppose but he played NT)
Posted by BigAggie06
Houston
Member since Aug 2011
952 posts
Posted on 1/8/13 at 4:05 pm to
quote:

Would we redshirt all four of our incoming linemen?


Probably not Stuckey, he will provide good depth as a JUCO guy and step in for Matthews when he leaves (or maybe even factor in at RT and let Ced stay at G? who knows)

But for the 3 HS guys it is probably best for them. The Matthews brothers and Luke are the exception, not the rule. There are very few HS OL that are physically mature enough to step in and contribute in major college football. They may have the pure mass but they don't usually have the required muscle or the bulk.
Posted by BigAggie06
Houston
Member since Aug 2011
952 posts
Posted on 1/8/13 at 4:07 pm to
quote:

Before that you'd have to go back to Luke/Jake to find an olineman that didn't redshirt


And who was the last before them? Kirk Elder?
Posted by tmc94
Member since Sep 2012
11559 posts
Posted on 1/8/13 at 4:08 pm to
quote:

Kimo and/or Ifedi could be complete studs, no one really knows;

there is quite a bit of buzz around Germaine Ifedi honestly. Of people that are really in the know that I talk to, he gets mentioned an awful lot.
Posted by tmc94
Member since Sep 2012
11559 posts
Posted on 1/8/13 at 4:11 pm to
technically Klinke but he really should not have. He played like 10 plays and Sherman even commented that it was a mistake on his part because he thought he'd play more.
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
81611 posts
Posted on 1/8/13 at 4:11 pm to
quote:

Before that you'd have to go back to Luke/Jake to find an olineman that didn't redshirt


Patrick Lewis didn't redshirt either.
Posted by tmc94
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 1/8/13 at 4:16 pm to
Pat is a senior though. Again, our Oline was in shambles when Sherman came in so it's not at all surprising that those guys played. Pat probably would have redshirted today. Honestly I'm not sure if Jake Matthews wouldn't. Luke was just a manchild from day one but Jake struggled a bit early on.
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
81611 posts
Posted on 1/8/13 at 4:19 pm to
Jake actually didn't start until Evan Eike went down with an injury, forcing Brian Thomas to move inside.
Posted by BigAggie06
Houston
Member since Aug 2011
952 posts
Posted on 1/8/13 at 4:20 pm to
You guys are depressing me making me think about how much Fran sucked.
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
81611 posts
Posted on 1/8/13 at 4:22 pm to
When Fran left, the following offensive linemen remained on campus:

Travis Schneider
Michael Shumard
Lee Grimes
Kevin Matthews
Evan Eike
Danny Baker

Those were the only returning offensive linemen on the 2008 squad, not including the incoming freshmen.
Posted by BigAggie06
Houston
Member since Aug 2011
952 posts
Posted on 1/8/13 at 4:25 pm to
I know ... Fran had an affliction that caused him to completely ignore OL and DL recruiting. The sad thing is those OL were not bad at all for the most part. If they had some good depth behind them they could have been pretty nasty.
Posted by BigAggie06
Houston
Member since Aug 2011
952 posts
Posted on 1/9/13 at 9:19 am to
Interesting ... I am listening to TexAgs Radio online right now and Seth McKinney just said something similar to what Lee Grimes said which is he would keep Matthews at RT and move Ced over to left.

The question is. what if Jake goes to the coaches and asked to be moved to LT?
Posted by BigAggie06
Houston
Member since Aug 2011
952 posts
Posted on 1/9/13 at 9:31 am to
To fill the guard position McKinney said that Ifedi is just a mauler and that, while a natural T he won't beat out Ced, but having Harrison and Ifedi at G would be like having two maulers in there but don't sleep on Compton either.

Those were the two most discussed with Kimo and possibly Shav Hatten (possibly moving from DL to OL) mentioned in passing.
This post was edited on 1/9/13 at 9:32 am
Posted by Raoul_Duke
Denton, TX
Member since Nov 2012
657 posts
Posted on 1/10/13 at 1:30 am to
Your best lineman are Jake Matthews and Ced O so why not put them both at tackle where it is vital we have our best guys?

I think the competition for the 2nd spot at guard will come down to Ifedi or Cheek. They have the most potential with Compton and Kimo as guys with an outside chance

1st team:Matthews, Harrison, Matthews,Ifedi,Ogbuehi
2nd team: Stucky, klinke, Compton, tipoti, Cheek
This post was edited on 1/10/13 at 1:32 am
Posted by BigAggie06
Houston
Member since Aug 2011
952 posts
Posted on 1/10/13 at 7:25 am to
quote:

I think the competition for the 2nd spot at guard will come down to Ifedi or Cheek


I have not heard anyone mention Cheek as a potential Guard. you don't put a 6'7" G when you have a 6'5" T.

If Ced and Cheek are the two best for the right side then I think Cheek plays T and Ced stays at G because he has proven he can play there. If it is Ced and Compton/Ifedi then Ced plays T.
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