re: Lets Talk Politics

That is fine and good as long as we are talking skilled workers or specialists. We do not need anymore unskilled labor. If there are shortages there the solution is welfare reform and force people to work for their food.

We have an abundance of unskilled workers already in country. Many are just too comfortable in the government subsidized poverty lifestyle to actually support themselves and work to gain skills to get out of that situation. There is no need for the new deal and the war on poverty.

eta: Not to mention that the more unskilled labor that is imported the less opportunity there is for young workers or those who have hit hard times to gain that first/transition job that leads to growth.

It would have to be gradual but it should be a goal that we work towards. The war on poverty has done nothing but perpetuate and in many cases create and reward behaviors that create poverty.

When was the last time we had a government sanctioned "war on fill in the blank" social campaign that worked? I would submit it was never.

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The abandonment of Iraq, which was premature and irresponsible regardless of what was one's stance on the initial invasion, certainly wasn't a conservative victory. Obama's foreign policy choices have combined to greatly reduce American power and prestige. Our enemies respect us less, and our allies trust us less. If it's a victory for any political side, it's a victory for the left, which is very suspicious of American influence, but is enamored with international bodies like the UN.

Legalization of sodomy wasn't a victory for the right, at least not the social right. It and the expansion of marriage to include homosexual unions was arguably a victory for limited government.

...until the goalposts got moved and now every business is a public accommodation, and a baker can't refuse to cater a homosexual wedding on 1st amendment grounds.

I'm not sure why you mention the near total lack of enforcement of immigration law. That is a huge win for the left, and a huge loss for the right (as well as for the rule of law)

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So a "conservative victory" would've been to keep our military forces in Iraq indefinitely, against the explicit wishes of the Iraqi populace and government, until somehow the country magically knit itself into a democratic whole? This is my point, that "more/less government" does not especially track with "liberal/conservative" except in terms of rhetoric.

Actually enforcing immigration law (to the satisfaction of most conservatives) would require a massive increase in DHS generally and the USBP specifically. To say nothing of the general police powers necessary to evict illegal immigrants already present. Our legal code has ballooned so much that it is writing checks that our bureaucracy can't cash. And the "conservative" solution is to insist that before the underlying law can be touched, the bureaucracy must balloon until it can be enforced in its entirety.

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So a "conservative victory" would've been to keep our military forces in Iraq indefinitely, against the explicit wishes of the Iraqi populace and government, until somehow the country magically knit itself into a democratic whole? This is my point, that "more/less government" does not especially track with "liberal/conservative" except in terms of rhetoric.

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It would have been much better than what we have now. What would Maliki's government have done? Attempted to throw us out? A continued American presence would have been a check on Maliki's excesses in oppressing the Sunni minority. Iraq may not have "magically knit itself into a democratic whole", but it would have had a far greater chance to develop that way.

Instead, it is well on it's way to becoming an oil-rich homeland for a cult that considers the rape of non-muslim women a form worship.

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Actually enforcing immigration law (to the satisfaction of most conservatives) would require a massive increase in DHS generally and the USBP specifically. Our legal code has ballooned so much that it is writing checks that our bureaucracy can't cash. And the "conservative" solution is to insist that before the underlying law can be trimmed, the bureaucracy must balloon until the entirety of the law can be enforced.

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A "legal code [which] has ballooned so much that it is writing checks that our bureaucracy can't cash" is likewise not a product of the limited government movement. The Bureaucratic State is the lovechild of the left. I honestly have never encountered any conservative who was against the mere concept of a simplified immigration regime.

That said, even the notion of "limited government" presupposes SOME federal government. That there actually are some legitimate roles for government to play. Regulating immigration on such role.

Are you advocating a completely open border?

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What would Maliki's government have done? Attempted to throw us out? A continued American presence would have been a check on Maliki's excesses in oppressing the Sunni minority. Iraq may not have "magically knit itself into a democratic whole", but it would have had a far greater chance to develop that way.

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Of course they would have attempted to throw us out. The Shiite militias would continue to bleed us and bait us. So would the Wahhabists, who wouldn't have the support of as many Sunnis as they do as ISIS but could still recruit decently as long as there are Americans to kill. And in what way would we have been a "check" on Maliki's excesses? We're already staying against his will, we couldn't very well threaten to leave. Would we forcibly depose the Iraqi government (again), set up Allawi or someone as a puppet, and start over from square one?

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Are you advocating a completely open border?

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Depends on what you mean. I'm in favor of basic Ellis Island style controls like background checks, health screenings, and "public charge" type rejections. Beyond that, sure. No quotas, no skill requirements, I don't even care about English proficiency.

But I'm mainly bringing this up, again, as an example of how "more/less government = liberal/conservative" is a harebrained dichotomy that doesn't stand up to an ounce of scrutiny.

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The Ellis island type immigration supposes that the people coming in were not a drain on the society. They knew coming in that they would sink or swim on their own.

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Lawful permanent residents aren't eligible for most welfare benefits until they've been here five years.

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Trump

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is the last hope. For ALL of us.

Unless African life is better than North American.

frickING

RETARDS.

fEELING IDIOTS.