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re: Kyle Rebuild...word trickling out today on this
Posted on 9/25/12 at 9:03 pm to tmc94
Posted on 9/25/12 at 9:03 pm to tmc94
One option for a March In is a "March On" ...
The entire Corps comes onto the field prior to warmups. Outfits are graded for marching as they enter the stadium. Wont' take any longer than a March In.
Service academies do a March On all the time and it looks cool. Carry on.
The entire Corps comes onto the field prior to warmups. Outfits are graded for marching as they enter the stadium. Wont' take any longer than a March In.
Service academies do a March On all the time and it looks cool. Carry on.
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Posted on 9/25/12 at 9:11 pm to Smoke Ring
This is great. They've needed to renovate for a while and me personally, is like to do it in 3 stages. If rather it done right and nice, than try to fit it all in that 1 year mark and it be half-assed
Posted on 9/25/12 at 9:16 pm to TeLeFaWx
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Why are you certain that is best? Just because it seems easier to tackle? The easy way isn't always the best way.
Why are you certain it isnt?
I would rather get the suffering over at once rather than an ugly cumbersome cost inflating long drawn out process.
Posted on 9/25/12 at 9:26 pm to aggressor
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I really can't stand this type of comment from Aggies, very self loathing. I enjoy your opinions but this stuff really bugs me. We can do it in phases or all at once. We have some very smart people looking at all the options and I have confidence in their decision.
It might sound self loathing to some, but I didn't mean it to be. I have confidence in some of the individuals at the school, but Aggie groupthink is something that bothers me as well. Not continuing the Arky series at Jerry World is something that would have been well received by the Aggie message boards, but a terrible decision for the program. Emotion and urgency isn't always great, especially for people as proud as we Aggies can be. Much like I feel Aggies fell in to the stock line of "college atmosphere" as a reason to hate Jerry World, even though the marketing potential of playing a game at the premiere football stadium in the country is a no brainer to every other major program in the country, Aggies seemed to whole heartedly rejected it. Why? I believe it was Aggie groupthink and emotion of losing to Arkansas that demanded a bull shite justification about "college atmosphere". Much like that stock answer, I feel like "playing a year at Reliant, and doing it right" is a stock answer. Doing it right? What about getting it done in one year means it is done right? Is the final product any different? I haven't seen someone say that the final product will be worse if it takes longer to build. People want the final product sooner, and they don't want to admit it, even though that might not be the best answer to give so they say something generic like, "do it right". It is still gonna be the same stadium, it just might arrive later. But the sacrifice, and losses are overlooked to satisfy an emotional desire. That is really what I mean by being incredibly Aggie. It is our deep love and emotion that make us irrational at times. Is that a bad thing? Not always. But I don't think it can hurt to be self-aware of our shortcomings, if they are rearing themselves.
Posted on 9/25/12 at 9:34 pm to LegacyAggie
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I would rather get the suffering over at once rather than an ugly cumbersome cost inflating long drawn out process.
The cost might be different. But what is the cost to the program of losing home field advantage for a whole season, or not locking down a few recruits that would have been blown away by Kyle? Or the students not getting to experience Kyle or a game day in a College Station for a whole season? Tons of schools have dealt with stadium renovations. The "ugly cumbersome cost inflating long drawn out process" is too arbitrary for me too jump on board with as a reason. Maybe that is me being short-sighted. Iunno. It just seems too much of an emotional justification.
Posted on 9/25/12 at 9:39 pm to TeLeFaWx
I'm interested to see exactly what the capacity would be for Kyle while it's being rebuilt
Posted on 9/25/12 at 10:02 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
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I'm interested to see exactly what the capacity would be for Kyle while it's being rebuilt
Same. I think the West stand are the biggest cluster frick because next to nothing will be used... but addind the south, and the corners to create a mezzanine first, then attacking that the shite side to the west, then the east? Seems like the could do it. Iunno. Depends on what the final design is most likely, and what the BMAs think looks the best. I don't have enough money yet to be making any calls.
Posted on 9/25/12 at 10:09 pm to TeLeFaWx
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yet
Posted on 9/25/12 at 10:16 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
hahaha
Posted on 9/25/12 at 10:18 pm to TeLeFaWx
I wonder how big of an impact this 3 year rebuild would affect the atmosphere of the game, too. Recruits could only get a fraction of the atmosphere for 3 years. There are definitely cons to both.
Posted on 9/25/12 at 10:30 pm to ChrisTAMU
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I wonder how big of an impact this 3 year rebuild would affect the atmosphere of the game, too. Recruits could only get a fraction of the atmosphere for 3 years. There are definitely cons to both.
This was why I was wondering about the capacity. Recruiting wise I would think that impact would be more than offset by the fact that those players will get to play in the new and much improved Kyle.
Posted on 9/25/12 at 10:54 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
I find it interesting that everyone discussing this article is focused on the high end capacity when the article said anywhere from 93-103K. Not saying it isn't going to happen, but the donor circles report in the mid- to high 90's.
The problem with the seasons away is that the B/CS economy would take a massive hit. CS is a pure college town, not just a town that has a college in it. I think they are trying to get them to invest in the project by saying "We'll keep it local but you have to step up."
The problem with the seasons away is that the B/CS economy would take a massive hit. CS is a pure college town, not just a town that has a college in it. I think they are trying to get them to invest in the project by saying "We'll keep it local but you have to step up."
Posted on 9/25/12 at 11:13 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
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This was why I was wondering about the capacity. Recruiting wise I would think that impact would be more than offset by the fact that those players will get to play in the new and much improved Kyle.
It is going to be strange to take recruits visits to Reliant. Don't think that will be the same when college recruits get to experience a plethora of true gamedays in their towns. Even juniors and sophomores and stuff on unofficials. It's going to be hard for them to pick a random game in Reliant on a big weekend in a fun town surrounded by kids their age.
Posted on 9/25/12 at 11:24 pm to TeLeFaWx
The point is it is a complex decision. Most estimates I have seen say we save $60-80 million by doing it all at once. There are huge savings construction wise not to have to "be delicate" like we would have to if they are doing it a piece at a time. If you do the total tear down and rebuild it's a lot more efficient. I don't see the quality being much different either way but I just don't know enough details.
One thing you will realize is that the myth of the "BMA" and A&M just doing things the way they have always done is just that. Are there elements of it? Sure, but it's a lot more complicated than that and especially now. You have the AD, the BoR, Loftin himself, outside political forces, the 12th Man Foundation whih isn't all about just BMA's, and yes, some big donors. Ironically most true BMA's fall into line and don't demand things. They get asked to do "x" and they do it. For that matter as much as A&M is a traditionalist culture we have also changed dramatically and often. A&M is a story of constant reinvention and not being afraid to take risks.
I do understand what you meant, I'm just saying I hate those types of analogies. No reason to relate stupidity to being an Aggie. I don't care when some Non Aggie says it because they are an idiot, I just don't understand why an Aggie would say it.
One thing you will realize is that the myth of the "BMA" and A&M just doing things the way they have always done is just that. Are there elements of it? Sure, but it's a lot more complicated than that and especially now. You have the AD, the BoR, Loftin himself, outside political forces, the 12th Man Foundation whih isn't all about just BMA's, and yes, some big donors. Ironically most true BMA's fall into line and don't demand things. They get asked to do "x" and they do it. For that matter as much as A&M is a traditionalist culture we have also changed dramatically and often. A&M is a story of constant reinvention and not being afraid to take risks.
I do understand what you meant, I'm just saying I hate those types of analogies. No reason to relate stupidity to being an Aggie. I don't care when some Non Aggie says it because they are an idiot, I just don't understand why an Aggie would say it.
Posted on 9/25/12 at 11:29 pm to jaxson11
Is the whole "ticket tax" an actual option being discussed? Read it on an article this morning and didn't seem like the "38 million" would be coming out of the pockets of local businesses at all, but out of the ticket buyers. Anyone have an clarification?
Posted on 9/25/12 at 11:54 pm to arces12
Lower the field
Remove the track
Build the new stands closer and steeper
Make the student section standout in some way...
maybe awnings would trap more sound.
close off the corners more, at least on the south side.
Do the Corps review on Simpson Drill Field (or on Kyle itself)
Undo the corps block debacle
Remove the track
Build the new stands closer and steeper
Make the student section standout in some way...
maybe awnings would trap more sound.
close off the corners more, at least on the south side.
Do the Corps review on Simpson Drill Field (or on Kyle itself)
Undo the corps block debacle
This post was edited on 9/27/12 at 8:03 am
Posted on 9/26/12 at 1:39 am to aggressor
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I do understand what you meant, I'm just saying I hate those types of analogies. No reason to relate stupidity to being an Aggie. I don't care when some Non Aggie says it because they are an idiot, I just don't understand why an Aggie would say it.
I did not mean to relate stupidity to being an Aggie. I meant to relate being the most loyal, passionate, and committed fan base I know, to being prone to making emotional and rash decisions. I think it comes with the territory, and didn't mean to relate it to stupidity. Yet, I can see how the context plays exactly towards how you interpreted it, and I apologize. I don't ever want to come across that way, even on a message board.
Posted on 9/26/12 at 1:48 am to aggressor
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One thing you will realize is that the myth of the "BMA" and A&M just doing things the way they have always done is just that. Are there elements of it? Sure, but it's a lot more complicated than that and especially now. You have the AD, the BoR, Loftin himself, outside political forces, the 12th Man Foundation whih isn't all about just BMA's, and yes, some big donors. Ironically most true BMA's fall into line and don't demand things. They get asked to do "x" and they do it. For that matter as much as A&M is a traditionalist culture we have also changed dramatically and often. A&M is a story of constant reinvention and not being afraid to take risks.
I mean a lot of donors, the Ellis Family being a perfect example, the McFerrins another, we able to move beyond that "getting asked to do 'x' and doing it" state we were in for so long when Byrne really let people taking a proactive sense of ownership towards the entire Athletic Program, not just the money maker. I'm not worried about the "myth of the BMA" doing things the way they have always been done" as much as I am this project being too micromanaged and politicized to be done properly. When egos are involved, sometimes the right decision isn't made, the decision that exerted the most singular authority is. A dick swinging contest is another way to put it.
Posted on 9/26/12 at 9:46 am to TeLeFaWx
I understand where you are coming from and know your heart is in the right place. I also appreciate you understanding what I was saying, thanks.
I do think that old mentality is just about dead in terms of rash and emotional decisions ruling the day. A&M really runs like a major corporation now. There were times in the past when we made big and hasty decisions it worked (hiring Bear and Jackie, building Netum Steed) and there were times it didn't (hiring Fran, building Bright, the Zone, and Reed without much long term thought. Wally Groff is a good man but was a horrible AD). Byrne was a great transitional hire for us but really Loftin's hire has changed the game along with Perry appointing the entire BoR. This project has easily been the best thought out major project in A&M history. They have taken their time, gotten input from anyone that had an opinion, analyzed every option, and allowed a group of diverse leaders from athletics to donors to administration to agree to each decision. In the end some folks won't be happy no matter what they decide but all the oars are pulling together more than ever before and things are being handled more professionally than ever before. The moves of the last 2 years have been mind boggling in terms of execution if you step back and look at it, we have some very, very smart people running the show right now.
My point on the BMA myth specifically is more about how some Ags seem to think that there is this smoke filled room where a bunch of old RC Slocum fans sit around and tell the AD how to run the show. Are there a few old Ags that are hard core "good old boy" traditionalists? Sure, but there are more that aren't and they write bigger checks. More importantly though most of them just love A&M and want what is best for it and they fall in line quickly when there is good leadership guiding the ship. More than ever before we have professionals in place from diverse backgrounds that are leading A&M combined with a strong respect for what makes A&M the special place that it is. The future is bright.
I do think that old mentality is just about dead in terms of rash and emotional decisions ruling the day. A&M really runs like a major corporation now. There were times in the past when we made big and hasty decisions it worked (hiring Bear and Jackie, building Netum Steed) and there were times it didn't (hiring Fran, building Bright, the Zone, and Reed without much long term thought. Wally Groff is a good man but was a horrible AD). Byrne was a great transitional hire for us but really Loftin's hire has changed the game along with Perry appointing the entire BoR. This project has easily been the best thought out major project in A&M history. They have taken their time, gotten input from anyone that had an opinion, analyzed every option, and allowed a group of diverse leaders from athletics to donors to administration to agree to each decision. In the end some folks won't be happy no matter what they decide but all the oars are pulling together more than ever before and things are being handled more professionally than ever before. The moves of the last 2 years have been mind boggling in terms of execution if you step back and look at it, we have some very, very smart people running the show right now.
My point on the BMA myth specifically is more about how some Ags seem to think that there is this smoke filled room where a bunch of old RC Slocum fans sit around and tell the AD how to run the show. Are there a few old Ags that are hard core "good old boy" traditionalists? Sure, but there are more that aren't and they write bigger checks. More importantly though most of them just love A&M and want what is best for it and they fall in line quickly when there is good leadership guiding the ship. More than ever before we have professionals in place from diverse backgrounds that are leading A&M combined with a strong respect for what makes A&M the special place that it is. The future is bright.
Posted on 9/27/12 at 2:12 am to aggressor
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I understand where you are coming from and know your heart is in the right place.
You like me! You really like me!
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