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re: After Sumiln gets fired next year, pay the new HC $10 million per year.

Posted on 12/12/15 at 10:40 pm to
Posted by PhilipMarlowe
Member since Mar 2013
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Posted on 12/12/15 at 10:40 pm to
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If we did get the gift of Sumlin leaving I would absolutely melt cgsc style for the rest of the year if we (1) did not find a way to retain Chavis and (2) did not hire Herman. Herman stayed at UH because he wants us or Texas. Letting him to to Texas would be disasterous for us.




All of it.
Posted by PikeBishop
Bristol, TN
Member since Feb 2014
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Posted on 12/13/15 at 9:01 am to
Sumlin has never coached in the NFL. But there is an NFL owner out there considering him for a head coaching job? I didn't see that one coming. I'm skeptical.
Posted by Twelfth
Member since Oct 2015
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Posted on 12/13/15 at 9:16 am to
SmokingAces isn't as connected as he pretends IMO. I believe he has access to the players but he's not someone I'd trust with coaching info. Can't decide which is more ridiculous- that Sumlin would get an NFL gig based off his coaching the last 2 seasons or that he'd resign and leave $20 mil in the table.

IMO, we aren't firing Sumlin this year, so ppl are making up stories about Sumlin resigning because thats what they hope happens. This is the same delusional thinking that whorn fans believing that Strong would resign.
This post was edited on 12/13/15 at 9:21 am
Posted by Nguyening
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Posted on 12/13/15 at 9:39 am to
I'm not saying aces is infallible, but he definitely has some connections.

I'm a Herman fan but you have to understand why he may not be a top target. To play devils advocate; Houston is set up to win better than any other team in its conference. If we hired a Houston coach again after one 12 win season, how is that any different than Sumlin?
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 12/13/15 at 9:43 am to
For starters, Herman actually won a title.
Posted by Nguyening
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Posted on 12/13/15 at 10:11 am to
Gotta think Houston would have won with Sumlin if he wasn't already out the door. I agree though.


We should have hired fedora in the first place.
Posted by cardboardboxer
Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 12/13/15 at 10:24 am to
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IMO, we aren't firing Sumlin this year, so ppl are making up stories about Sumlin resigning because thats what they hope happens.


Probably. It is a sign that people are giving up hope in a Sumlin regime, aka the same logic that made people think Charlie would go to Miami.

Honestly the real problem is that we fooled ourselves into thinking we could buy our way into being an elite program. When that plan doesn't work out quite like what we expected we blame Sumlin.

The harsh reality is that we can't just buy our way into the elite. Okie Lite couldn't do it, Oregon couldn't do it, and neither can we. The college football caste system is too entrenched to overcome it with just money. It will take patience, luck and timing as well.

We look at Sumlin to be our scapegoat to not accept that fact, and then we will melt when (just like Sumlin) Herman or whoever the magic bullet is gets hired by the NFL- or has his staff poached to pieces- after one good year here.

I really believe our best chance to do anything significant anytime soon is a man named John Chavis. He is the real advantage that our money bought us, as he would have never come to A&M a decade ago. If we run him off trying to chase the next pipe dream we deserve our natural mediocre place in the world.
This post was edited on 12/13/15 at 10:25 am
Posted by Nguyening
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Posted on 12/13/15 at 10:50 am to
Chavis isn't here for Sumlin. Have to think whoever our targets for HC are would be ran by Chavis as well.

He's not going to be treated like a typical coordinator. We're paying him just under HC money and will be treated as such.

Chavis opinion May be one of the reasons Herman is in the second tier of targets?

No one knows anything, except that Sumlin going to the Dolphins wouldn't upset anyone as much as it would have a year ago.
Posted by PikeBishop
Bristol, TN
Member since Feb 2014
975 posts
Posted on 12/13/15 at 10:50 am to
Stability really helps in a program. But that takes a head coach who wants to be there and a fanbases that wants him to be there. I'm skeptical that we are trying to buy him out. That's a lot of money. But I'm not some insider who knows what's going on.

I think Chavis is on his way to building a pretty decent defense. I have a lot of confidence in him. That's not blind faith, he's got a proven record of achievement.

We just have to fix whatever is ailing the offense. If Sumlin can land someone who can better utilize what we have on hand on offense, things would look better. I don't know who that OC might be, and it doesn't have to be some big name guy.
Posted by Warrior Poet
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Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 12/13/15 at 10:51 am to
Herman is getting recruits from us on a consistent basis. He may be the best recruiter in the game not named Saban and Myer.

Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
81611 posts
Posted on 12/13/15 at 10:52 am to
I'd definitely take Chavis' opinion over that of Charles McMillan, the one coach retained between Franchione and Sherman.
Posted by Nguyening
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Posted on 12/13/15 at 10:53 am to
Who does Houston have committed that we would take?

Ed Oliver's brother is on the team and his/tyrie's HS coach is on staff.

Who else?
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 12/13/15 at 10:57 am to
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Who else?


Courtney Lark: 4* WR (6'1 175) out of Bellaire

Na'Ty Rogers: 4* JUCO OL (6'5 290) out of Iowa Western CC

Both committed since the start of the regular season.

With the QB situation, I'd even take Bowman Sells (6'3 200), an EE quarterback out of Allen, TX
Posted by PikeBishop
Bristol, TN
Member since Feb 2014
975 posts
Posted on 12/13/15 at 11:02 am to
We were really limited in our rushing game this year. Carson lacks the speed to get around the edge. So our runs were restricted to inside the tackles.

Murray is quick enough to threaten to get around the defensive end. And we'll have some speedier options at RB next year. We really need an effective rushing attack next year to take pressure off Murray having to do too much though the air. That's how I see it. Who is the OC that can improve the run game?
Posted by Twelfth
Member since Oct 2015
104 posts
Posted on 12/13/15 at 11:08 am to
Lark was a TCU commit who decomitted because he can't qualify. He's not a guy we have any interest in. Nor is that Community College offensive lineman.

Let me know when Houston starts getting elite prospects that aren't Westfield products
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
81611 posts
Posted on 12/13/15 at 11:18 am to
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Lark was a TCU commit who decomitted because he can't qualify. He's not a guy we have any interest in. Nor is that Community College offensive lineman.


Do you really trust our offensive staff to evaluate talent, after the shite show that happened this season?

DAMION RATLEY STARTED 6 GAMES. Let that sink in.
Posted by Twelfth
Member since Oct 2015
104 posts
Posted on 12/13/15 at 11:21 am to
Your point being? Lark is not qualifying at a power 5 program, which is why TCU parted ways with him. We have better WR committed than Courtney fricking Lark.

The emotional posts on this board are ridiculous.
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
81611 posts
Posted on 12/13/15 at 11:22 am to
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We have better WR committed than Courtney fricking Lark.


Greg Ward was a 5'10 165 lb low 3-star wide receiver when he committed to Houston.

He's now one of the most dangerous offensive players in the country.

By the time Herman and his staff are done with Lark, he'll be better than any receiver on our roster not named Kirk or Reynolds.
This post was edited on 12/13/15 at 11:23 am
Posted by Nguyening
SEMO
Member since Jun 2013
9094 posts
Posted on 12/13/15 at 11:34 am to
Keith Corbin is the best WR they have committed.

Damion ratley is a pretty good WR actually. He struggled with drops but so did Kirk. First year players should be expected to struggle. He runs better routes and gets more separation than Noil.
Posted by Nguyening
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Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 12/13/15 at 11:47 am to
Unless he doesn't qualify, then neither Herman, nor the staff they hire next year will ever do anything with him.
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