re: 2015 Recruiting Discussion

stolen from rivalries but it needs to be brought over here because its beautiful. the shags most recent couple of posts from their 2015 recruiting thread

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A commit from one of those guys over the weekend would send a message to other recruits that Strong is doing things the right way. And he doesn't even need a $#@!ing DJ.

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Neither Garrett or Manning have college game snaps and the rest of ****'s Dline was not very good. Belima at Arky was able to run it down their throat last year and can probably do likewise this year. Miss State has an experienced QB and they scored 41 on **** at Pyle field. They get **** at home in Starkville. **** may only beat ULM, Lamar, Rice and SMU.

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Looking at **** schedule I just don't see them maintaining the recruiting momentum they have had. Look at Arkansas. Since going to the SEC, they have become an afterthought for top recruits. Is **** going to become Arkansas?

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a lot of ags don't know it yet, but they've run into a $#@!ing buzz saw.
but hey, they'll have a sort-of new stadium for the academic side to pay off.

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Strong is a $#@!ing coach man. Honestly Sumlin seems like a younger, smaller-titted Mack Brown.

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The whole state is going to be at practice Saturday, $#@! I might try to sneak in.

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You gotta love how perceptions change. Sumlin was hot $#@! bc of a guy he didn't recruit and a helicopter. Strong is bringing some real serious $#@! and he can bench a vw.

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Can they kick the $#@! out of everyone next year and become interesting again? maybe, but that doesn't change the fact that **** is no longer the JFF led, must see, headline grabbing ****. JFF is gone and they are NOW uninteresting. Whether they can continue to out recruit Texas is going to depend on how they fare and Texas fares next year.

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The best thing Coach can do is practice as normal, and show that business is his priority. That is what the source of our credibility is. Getting down to business.

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**** is never going to be competitive in the sec. they had their best QB ever, a heisman winner, and had their best receiver ever. with all their talent on offense, they finish in the middle of the pack of the sec.

the sec luster will wear off starting this year. they will routinely get their asses kicked since they won't have manziel to pull miracles out of his arse.

i'm not worried about ****. i'm more worried about **** giving increase access to sec teams. sec was poaching texas before. it'll get even worst.

we'll get most of the players that we want. **** has the most to lose.

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Whether they will be able to recruit at a high level is going to depend on how they do on the field, it isn't a glamor program and JFF is gone. Now they are just ****.

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It seems to me that Strong is as big a hit with the parents as Mack was.
Mack convinced the parents that he truly cared about the "kids" and would love them and try to protect them and take care of them.
Strong convinces the parents that he is going to be involved in the "players" lives, make sure they go to school, pass their classes, be involved in the community, stay out of trouble, make them behave responsibly and keep their priorities straight so that when they leave Texas they are good men with an education

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Queston: Is Johnny Shaw's offer going to be honored with all this interest from top DBs?
Answer: Doubtful for him and Campbell

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If I didn't know better, I'd think Shaggy was an Aggie site as that's all they talk about. But given we know it's not, it just comes across as a rather sad, all-consuming saltiness

Kemah Siverand told Hamm at A&M's practice yesterday, he will commit somewhere when he attends The Opening this summer. I was wondering what was waiting so long.... but I guess he needed a stage set to do it, heh..

I know he's going to Austin tomorrow so that's interesting. I hope that doesn't mean we don't feel good about Hill. Though, I know LSU and OU have both offered Mbanasor recently

damn

Meh. Was never serious about coming here, so whatever.

Jordan davis visit update from OB

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3:40 p.m. update: Jordan Davis said it was a good visit overall and he wants to continue to evaluate the Longhorns over the course of the next year, even though he remains committed to A&M. It does sounds like if the Longhorns are going to make enough ground to overtake the Aggies, the initial seed would have been planted today. Davis mentione that the Longhorns stressed the importance of the tight end position to its offense and the impact he would make in joining the program.

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"I never really had a problem with Texas . Texas is always a school that I liked. ," Davis said. "They always have been one of my top schools that I was looking at. Things are really about the same after I left today.

"I have a whole other year to watch teams and watch what they have to bring to the table, so I'm kind of just waiting to see what they're working with next year."
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they are finally starting to see some of that new hire bounce. The fact that it has taken this long and really hasn't had much impact is honestly rather shocking to me. Even Fran started off with a top 10 class.

But I think the Mack transition/new hire comedy really took a lot of wind out of Strong's sails. If they have a good year, I will def be concerned about people like Davis - esp if we fail to utilize the TEs again.

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Don't look now, but Charlie Strong and his staff are starting to build some momentum.

For weeks, fear has existed among certain sections of the Longhorns fan-base because of the modest start in recruiting that the new staff was experiencing as it juggled closing the 2014 class with starting (behind) the 2015 and 2016 classes.

All along, I've tried to stress the importance of patience for Texas faithful as they watched two Junior Days come and go without many of the state's elite prospects on hand. All along, I tried to stress that recruiting is a relationships business and you can't expect immediate results with minimal-levels of relationships.

When asked if there was a benchmark for when it might be time to worry with the current 2015 class, I've always circled the month of May following the majority of the spring evaluation period as the proper line in the sand when it comes to making some definitive opinions on the state of 2015 recruiting. If the Longhorns don't have any momentum with top prospects by then, you'd have to wonder whether it was going to happen at all in 2015.

Yet, with days to go until the page on the calendar turns from March to April, Charlie Strong and Co. are starting to generate the type of forward momentum that waiting until May to draw conclusions might be completely unnecessary.

Twice in the last week, the Longhorns picked up head-to-head wins over Kevin Sumlin and the Aggies, which might not have seemed like such a big deal if the Longhorns hadn't gone through much of the 2013 calendar year without such a head-to-head win over their in-state rivals to the East taking place.

Landing Rockwall-Heath linebacker DeShon Elliott and Houston Westfield offensive tackle Toby Weathersby within a span of five days is exactly the confidence-builder that Strong and his staff needed because it reiterates that the their message is resonating with top prospects. Yes, the sample size is minimal, but since Signing Day the Longhorns are 2-0 in head-to-head battles against the Aggies.

On top of that, the Longhorns are starting to get the elite of the elite prospects to take notice, as evidenced by the visits this weekend from state No. 1 Malik Jefferson and the state's top tight end Jordan Davis, who just happens to be committed to Sumlin. These are baby steps to a certain degree, but baby steps of forward progress, nonetheless.

With so much more work to do, the staff simply needs to continue its grind from this moment forward, with the knowledge that the #letsride results will occur over time as the last two weeks have shown. .

No. 2 - Something I was thinking about with the Weathersby commitment …

One of the most exciting elements of Joe Wickline's arrival from Stillwater is that he's been able to churn out stellar offensive line after stellar offensive line as an offensive line coach over the years, but always doing so without the luxury of doing so without elite-level prospects.

With a roll-call of former pupils that includes Kelvin Garmon, Corey Hilliard, Charlie Johnson, Everett Lindsay and Russell Okung, the thing that you love the most about Wickline is his ability to turn water into wine.

Or at least raw, unrefined big athletes into high-level players.

However, with Wickline's arrival in Austin, his days of needing to work with such unmolded clay are gone. In theory, Wickline should suddenly be in a position to work his magic with prospects that possess more ability and in a lot of cases more raw physical tools than anything he was able to work with in Stillwater.

The commitment from Toby Weathersby is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. If you believe as I do that Weathersby ranks as one of the top line prospects in the state (No. 2 tackle in Texas in the 2015 LSR rankings), then what we might have witnessed this weekend is the top recruiting haul from a high school player that Wickline has seen in almost a decade.

Consider that over the course of the last decade, the only four-star high school prospect that the Cowboys landed was in 2009 from Owasso, Oklahoma 5.8 four-star prospect Brandon Webb. Outside of Webb, who emerged as a solid player for the Cowboys over the last few seasons, Wickline has worked with three- and two-stars pretty exclusively.

If you're thinking that this in pedigree doesn't matter, consider these numbers from a national study I put together last year that focused on an eight-year recruiting window from 2004-11 and the NFL Draft results that it produced:

One out of every 1.81 five-star (6.1) prospects was drafted in the top seven rounds.
One out of every 3.45 top-tier (6.0) four-star prospects was drafted in the top seven rounds.
One out of every 4.73 mid-tier (5.9) four-star prospects was drafted in the top seven rounds.
One out of every 8.07 low-tier (5.8) four-star prospects was drafted in the top seven rounds.
One out of every 5.76 top-tier (5.7) three-star prospects was drafted in the top seven rounds.
One out of every 15.59 mid-tier (5.6) three-star prospects was drafted in the top seven rounds.
One out of every 17.12 low-tier (5.5) three-star prospects was drafted in the top seven rounds.
One out of every 38.88 top-tier (5.4/5.3) two-star prospects was drafted in the top seven rounds.
One out of every 22.04 mid-tier (5.2/5.1) two-star prospects was drafted in the top seven rounds.
One out of every 89.7 low-tier (5.0/4.9) two-star prospects was drafted in the top seven rounds.

More times than not, Wickline has been doing his shopping and developing from the 5.6, 5.5 and 5.4 recruiting stores, which makes the success that he's enjoyed pretty incredible to fathom because the metrics display a much tougher challenge than his peers that have produced strong offensive line play through more highly-touted means.

Moving to Austin means there's a different level of high school prospect that will routinely be available to him and Weathersby is a perfect example of that.

What does it all mean?

In theory, it means that the best offensive lines that Wickline will produce in his career as a Big 12 coach haven't yet suited up.

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gotta love him

and if youre asking yourself "did ketch really just say the sips are 2-0 head to head against us since signing day even when we flipped one of their kids about 3 weeks ago?" the answer would be yes, yes he did