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Posted on 3/12/14 at 12:59 pm to chattabama
Posted on 3/12/14 at 12:59 pm to chattabama
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It's not that he failed as an OC at USC. It was that he wasn't given the opportunity to do it.
He failed when he was HC/OC other than 2011.
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I happen to trust CNS opinion on hires more than I trust some message board poster.
I would do. That's not my issue. My issue stems from people trying to defend Kiffin.
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will not give him any credit for any of the positives that happened at his coaching stops.
I am. I give him credit for half of the success when he was OC at USC and for the 2011 season. However, that Offense was unimpressive in every other year he was at USC.
This post was edited on 3/12/14 at 1:05 pm
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Posted on 3/12/14 at 1:03 pm to adammwilson
I might also add it's a weird fit. Kiffin's teams have not been great at running the ball and that's what Saban wants to do on Offense.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 1:45 pm to adammwilson
Lane Kiffin's Offense
2010
QB- 62.6% 2791YDS 26-12
RB- 913 rushing(5.3)-9
RB- 794 rushing(7.2)-5
WR-65-792-6
WR-64-692 -8
FB-32-396-2
TE-20-252-4
TE-21-239-3
2011
QB- 69.1% 3528 39-7
RB-1005(6.9)rushing-6
RB-568(4.7)rushing-4
WR-111-1292-15
WR-73-1143-11
TE-26-273-5
TE-22-133-2
2012
QB-63.6%-3273-36-15
RB-905(5.4)rushing-9
RB-701(6.0)rushing-2
WR-118-1721-14
WR-76-846-11
TE-29-316-5
TE-12-100-4
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Just out of curiosity, I took a look to see what Kiffin's offense at Tennessee did in 2009 compared to Fulmer's last year in 2008, specifically Jonathan Crompton. Crompton shared time at QB in 2008 with Nick Stephens, but beat Stephens out when Kiffin came in.
Here's what I found: Crompton:
2008: 86/167, 51.5%, 889 yds, 5.3 yds/att, 4 TD/5 INT, 98.1 rating.
2009: 224/384, 58.3%, 2800 yds, 7.3 yds/att, 27 TD/13 INT, 136.0 rating.
Total team yards:
2008: 3225
2009: 4985
Rushing: 2008: 1475 yards, led by Arian Foster's 570
2009: 2043 yards, led by Montario.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 3:22 pm to adammwilson
One season as an OC at Fresno State? That exact argument was used as why Nuss would fail at Alabama. Now it's being used to suggest why he's a good OC and Kiffin will fail. Amazing.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 3:38 pm to chattabama
Kiffin's offense as a HC (granted, the 2013 numbers are for the whole season):
2009 - 60th (383 ypg)
2010 - 26th (431 ypg)
2011 - 21st (457 ypg)
2012 - 41st (432 ypg)
2013 - 74th (399 ypg)
pretty middle of the pack stuff... obviously his best years were with Matt Barkley.
The thing that's interesting to me about kiffin's resume, is this is really the first time in his career that he's the outright OC/QB coach. he was co-oc and passing game coordinator at USC in the mid 2000s, but shared responsibilities with Sark.
Even though he's been around for what seems like a long time, his experience as just a play caller is very limited.... should be interesting to see it play out.
2009 - 60th (383 ypg)
2010 - 26th (431 ypg)
2011 - 21st (457 ypg)
2012 - 41st (432 ypg)
2013 - 74th (399 ypg)
pretty middle of the pack stuff... obviously his best years were with Matt Barkley.
The thing that's interesting to me about kiffin's resume, is this is really the first time in his career that he's the outright OC/QB coach. he was co-oc and passing game coordinator at USC in the mid 2000s, but shared responsibilities with Sark.
Even though he's been around for what seems like a long time, his experience as just a play caller is very limited.... should be interesting to see it play out.
This post was edited on 3/12/14 at 3:40 pm
Posted on 3/12/14 at 4:26 pm to lowspark12
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2009 - 60th (383 ypg)
2010 - 26th (431 ypg)
2011 - 21st (457 ypg)
2012 - 41st (432 ypg)
2013 - 74th (399 ypg)
Interesting stuff
By comparison, some seem to think that Sark is the offensive genius responsible for USC's offensive success when Lane and him were co-OCs. Let's see his numbers as a head coach:
2009- 74th (375.5 ypg) (14 places behind Kiffin's)
2010-69th (362.5 ypg) (43 places behind Kiffin's)
2011-38th (409.8 ypg) (17 places behind Kiffin's)
2012- 91st (355.2 ypg) (50 places behind Kiffin's)
2013- 14th (499.3 ypg) *His one great year.
In all but one season, Kiffin's numbers are significantly better than Sark. Yet, in theory, if we had hired Sark for being the OC instead of Kiffin most would praise this hire. Instead we are being criticized for hiring an OC when he had decent numbers as a head coach. I would be satisfied with an offense ranked in the 20s, and Kiffin will have some of the best talent (save qb right now) that he has had in his career.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 4:29 pm to chattabama
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By comparison, some seem to think that Sark is the offensive genius responsible for USC's offensive success when Lane and him were co-OCs. Let's see his numbers as a head coach:
2009- 74th (375.5 ypg) (14 places behind Kiffin's)
2010-69th (362.5 ypg) (43 places behind Kiffin's)
2011-38th (409.8 ypg) (17 places behind Kiffin's)
2012- 91st (355.2 ypg) (50 places behind Kiffin's)
2013- 14th (499.3 ypg) *His one great year.
In all but one season, Kiffin's numbers are significantly better than Sark. Yet, in theory, if we had hired Sark for being the OC instead of Kiffin most would praise this hire. Instead we are being criticized for hiring an OC when he had decent numbers as a head coach. I would be satisfied with an offense ranked in the 20s, and Kiffin will have some of the best talent (save qb right now) that he has had in his career.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 4:49 pm to CapstoneGrad06
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That exact argument was used as why Nuss would fail at Alabama. Now it's being used to suggest why he's a good OC and Kiffin will fail. Amazing.
Not from me.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 4:54 pm to TideSaint
How his teams ranked in the NCAA.
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2005 USC CO-OC 2nd Scoring 3rd Rushing 4th Passing 2nd Total
2006 USC CO-OC 19th Scoring 66th Rushing 14th Passing 27th Total
2009 Tennessee HC 43rd Scoring 54th Rushing 46th Passing 60th Total
2010 USC HC/OC 37th Scoring 25th Rushing 41st Passing 26th Total
2011 USC HC/OC 16th Scoring 52nd Rushing 15th Passing 21st Total
2012 USC HC/OC 40th Scoring 72nd Rushing 32nd Passing 41st Total
2013 USC HC/OC 60th Scoring 63rd Rushing 72nd Passing 74th Total
This post was edited on 3/12/14 at 4:58 pm
Posted on 3/12/14 at 4:56 pm to chattabama
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In all but one season, Kiffin's numbers are significantly better than Sark.
Yeah let's just completely ignore Sark took over a winless Washington team while Kiffin was working with the cream of the crop of the west coast.Posted on 3/12/14 at 5:01 pm to chattabama
i'm with you that sark isn't near the offensive genious people have made him out to be... and before last year, he was a pretty underwhelming HC... imo UW got a upgrade when he left, but time will tell.
with that said, Sark inherited a dumpster fire at washington... i don't believe they won a game the year before he got there.... while LK inherited quite a bit of talent (granted, there was no depth due to the sanctions).
stats can be manupulated to fit whatever conclusion... and the NCAA penalties against USC make it tough to get an apples to apples comparison.
with that said, Sark inherited a dumpster fire at washington... i don't believe they won a game the year before he got there.... while LK inherited quite a bit of talent (granted, there was no depth due to the sanctions).
stats can be manupulated to fit whatever conclusion... and the NCAA penalties against USC make it tough to get an apples to apples comparison.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 5:07 pm to lowspark12
Agreed. Sark inherited a dumpster fire, but Kiffin inherited a program staring down the barrel of the NCAA. Both had inherent disadvantages to their programs. Should be interesting to see if Sark can improve on USC when this will be the year that the NCAA sanctions will be felt the most.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 5:10 pm to adammwilson
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Yeah let's just completely ignore Sark took over a winless Washington team while Kiffin was working with the cream of the crop of the west coast.
Gus Malzahn took over a dumper fire from Auburn. He did a significant turn around job. Same thing with Jim Harbaugh at Stanford. I dont think what Sark did was a miraculous turn around.
Cream of the crop? Maybe. Also a program staring down the barrel of the NCAA.
This post was edited on 3/12/14 at 5:16 pm
Posted on 3/12/14 at 6:29 pm to chattabama
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Gus Malzahn took over a dumper fire from Auburn. He did a significant turn around job.
False. they were simply a team under a moron of a HC and terribly misused. The team had talent. It was simply a case of a round peg in a square hole.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 6:37 pm to chattabama
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I dont think what Sark did was a miraculous turn around.
Well, they got one of the better HC in college football to take that job when before Petersen wouldn't have even looked at it.
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