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Posted on 3/10/14 at 11:23 pm to chattabama
Posted on 3/10/14 at 11:23 pm to chattabama
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It's Saban's offense even when Kiffin runs it.
Scheme yes. Play calling Saban has nothing to do with.
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Posted on 3/11/14 at 12:40 am to adammwilson
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Tom Brandstater
McElwain was with him for one year. Nuss was with him for one year. The equivalent of how long Kiffin was with Crompton is one year.
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Drew Stanton
Career backup.
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Jeff Smoker: 3 years in NFL
Made it as a 3rd string qb for one year before going to several practice squads. Perhaps Kiffin's equivalent will be Matt Barkley.
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Jake Locker
Is it fair to credit Nuss with Locker's development when we won't credit Kiffin with Crompton's development? Any OC under Sark is a figurehead. Don't you think Sark took some of the qb coaching into his own hands? Of course he did.
Again, none of those come across as a ringing endorsement for either Nuss or McElwain. Matt Barkley was a fourth round pick which is better than anything McElwain produced. Nuss has slightly more experience, though, but still not enough that I would consider him to be a top choice for one of the best jobs in college football. Still they both got it done.
I'll be the first to admit that a lot of Kiffin's success this year will be due to all of the talent at Bama. That's a given. The biggest question mark will be the quarterback position. Unlike Nussmeier, the qb wasn't a given when he came in. We don't have the greatest choices for qb either, and what may be our best choice doesn't come in until the fall. It will be interesting to see what Kiffin does with the position.
Posted on 3/11/14 at 9:15 am to chattabama
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McElwain was with him for one year. Nuss was with him for one year. The equivalent of how long Kiffin was with Crompton is one year.
Yeah and the difference which I've stated several times is we have actual proof McElwain+Nuss worked with the QB's. We have no such proof with Kiffin. Even if we give him the benefit of the doubt Brandstater was much more successful as a player than Crompton.
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Drew Stanton
Career backup.
NFL is the NFL. Dude played in the league for a long time. Can't dismiss that.
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Jeff Smoker: 3 years in NFL
Made it as a 3rd string qb for one year before going to several practice squads. Perhaps Kiffin's equivalent will be Matt Barkley.
Again.. still the NFL. Terrible comparison. Barkley was an elite HS QB. He was also a 4th round draft pick. Plus, Kiffin had nothing to do with Barkley except hurting his stock with his piss poor coaching/play calling.
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Is it fair to credit Nuss with Locker's development when we won't credit Kiffin with Crompton's development? Any OC under Sark is a figurehead. Don't you think Sark took some of the qb coaching into his own hands? Of course he did.
That's fair but Nuss has other QB's. Nuss had prior experience with QB's. I don't picture him being a figurehead at all.
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none of those come across as a ringing endorsement for either Nuss or McElwain.
Getting guys in the NFL is impressive-bottom line.
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Matt Barkley was a fourth round pick which is better than anything McElwain produced.
Barkley was very talented coming from HS and again, Kiffin had nothing to do with him.
Posted on 3/11/14 at 9:46 am to adammwilson
I'm not going to read this whole shitty thread but are you really suggesting that Coach Nick Saban hired Kiffin to do a job he has no experience with? That He has no idea what he's doing? Just because you can't find a link on the internet with the title QUARTERBACK COACH he has no experience? He didn't "coach" Barkely but managed to ruin him anyway? I think you're a little caught up on semantics and hate for Bama.
edit: Just read some more. You're obsessed.
Twitter quotes to support your biased homer views? That's pretty desperate.
edit: Just read some more. You're obsessed.
Twitter quotes to support your biased homer views? That's pretty desperate. This post was edited on 3/11/14 at 9:48 am
Posted on 3/11/14 at 10:12 am to UPT
nick saban isn't immune to making bad assistant coaching hires... but he's got enough sense to cut them loose almost immediately once he realizes they're no good (see major applewhite and the DB coach who just left).
Posted on 3/11/14 at 10:25 am to UPT
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are you really suggesting that Coach Nick Saban hired Kiffin to do a job he has no experience with?
Yes.
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That He has no idea what he's doing?
He must know something. He's a fantastic coach which I've mentioned numerous times.
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ust because you can't find a link on the internet with the title QUARTERBACK COACH he has no experience?
No because it's pretty well known he's never coached QB's.
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He didn't "coach" Barkely but managed to ruin him anyway?
Yeah by his garbage playcalling.
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I think you're a little caught up on semantics and hate for Bama.
That's crap. I actually really like Bama and have a ton of respect for Saban and Coach Smart.
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You're obsessed. Twitter quotes to support your biased homer views?
Did you see who the quotes were from? Respected journalists.
Posted on 3/11/14 at 10:26 am to lowspark12
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nick saban isn't immune to making bad assistant coaching hires... but he's got enough sense to cut them loose almost immediately once he realizes they're no good (see major applewhite and the DB coach who just left).
Posted on 3/11/14 at 10:45 am to UPT
UPT has got friends in his ear giving him all his info... Kinda like Malachi dupre has got an old teammate now at LSU in his ear who is not happy about playing time...he won't sign with LSU, right UPT? Lolol
Posted on 3/11/14 at 2:25 pm to UPT
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I think you're a little caught up on semantics and hate for Bama.
I'll sum up this thread for you. Any success that surrounded Kiffin was because of other people. Any failures around Kiffin are completely his fault. I don't think it's Bama hatred so much as it is hatred for Kiffin. Kiffin has a lot to prove, and I think he will do so.
Posted on 3/11/14 at 8:31 pm to chattabama
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I'll sum up this thread for you. Any success that surrounded Kiffin was because of other people. Any failures around Kiffin are completely his fault.
Wrong.
Posted on 3/11/14 at 9:37 pm to chattabama
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I'll sum up this thread for you. Any success that surrounded Kiffin was because of other people. Any failures around Kiffin are completely his fault. I don't think it's Bama hatred so much as it is hatred for Kiffin. Kiffin has a lot to prove, and I think he will do so.
It seems just like yesterday every bama fan I knew was laughing at Tennessee and calling their loudmouth HC a joke. Funny how the times have changed
Posted on 3/11/14 at 10:05 pm to adammwilson
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Wrong.
How so? Did I miss the post where Lane Kiffin was given any credit as an OC?
Posted on 3/12/14 at 10:33 am to chattabama
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How so? Did I miss the post where Lane Kiffin was given any credit as an OC?
Just tell me when Lane Kiffin was successful without Steve Sarkisian. I'll wait.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 12:04 pm to adammwilson
Fwiw, the duo were Co-OC's. One was not over the other.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 12:19 pm to adammwilson
For what it's worth, the same could have been said of Nuss. The only difference is the national perception of Kiffin. Plus, he's still only 38. McElwain was an unknown hire at 45. Nuss was 43. All of this boils down to people hating someone who seemingly gets by on his last name. Whether that's fair or not.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 12:26 pm to adammwilson
Anything that I attribute to Kiffin you will give to someone else.
Success at USC as an OC? Well, that is Sarkisian.
Impressive turnaround numbers production at UT? Well, that is Jim Chaney or David Reaves.
Successful 2011 USC season of 10-2 where even in a loss, they scored 48 points on Stanford? Well that was on someone else.
Conversely...
Failure as a head coach in 2012 and 1/2 of 2013? That is all on Kiffin.
Success at USC as an OC? Well, that is Sarkisian.
Impressive turnaround numbers production at UT? Well, that is Jim Chaney or David Reaves.
Successful 2011 USC season of 10-2 where even in a loss, they scored 48 points on Stanford? Well that was on someone else.
Conversely...
Failure as a head coach in 2012 and 1/2 of 2013? That is all on Kiffin.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 12:37 pm to CapstoneGrad06
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For what it's worth, the same could have been said of Nuss.
No it couldn't have. Nuss was a successful OC at Fresno St.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 12:42 pm to adammwilson
And Kiffin had success at USC as an OC, but you will never give him credit and attribute it all to Sark.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 12:46 pm to chattabama
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And Kiffin had success at USC as an OC, but you will never give him credit and attribute it all to Sark.
at least 50% of it goes to Sark. Nuss had proven the ability to be an OC on his own, something Kiffin failed to do at USC. I'm willing to look at it objectively. I'd hope you would as well. If we were having this same discussion a year ago you'd agree with me. Bama gonna Bama.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 12:55 pm to adammwilson
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at least 50% of it goes to Sark. Nuss had proven the ability to be an OC on his own, something Kiffin wasn't given the chance to do at USC.
FIFY. It's not that he failed as an OC at USC. It was that he wasn't given the opportunity to do it.
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Bama gonna Bama.
I happen to trust CNS opinion on hires more than I trust some message board poster. CNS could have had almost anyone come in and take over for Nuss. He chose Kiffin. There is something that CNS saw in him, and I can see that there were signs of promise in his career.
I understand that you are blinded by your hatred for Kiffin and will not give him any credit for any of the positives that happened at his coaching stops. I have admitted that he is a sucky head coach, but I still think he will be successful as an OC.
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