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re: Mullen offers the 1833rd Player in the Country

Posted on 2/5/18 at 2:33 pm to
Posted by ATLdawg25
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Posted on 2/5/18 at 2:33 pm to
quote:

Mullen (as much as MSU fans would hate to admit) was the reason we won national championships

dear god
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 2/5/18 at 5:27 pm to
I mean, we had excellent defenses and the like -- but the moment he left our offense completely fell apart.

I know UGA fans don't know anything about championships, but you have to score points to win and the moment we got Adazzio it was all over.
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 2/5/18 at 10:37 pm to
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when RB is healthy


Stop with this. He was healthy enough to do damage, but he had no room to run.

OU had the best passing QB of all time, so not sure of its relevance.
Posted by Gatorbait2008
Member since Aug 2015
22953 posts
Posted on 2/6/18 at 12:22 am to
Addazio tried to power run with Demps and Rainey...the HB dive was his favorite play call with 180 pound backs. Freaking hate him.

Brilliant Oline coach and recruiter...absolute nightmare as an OC. He just didn't know the system and how to make it function. Even 2009 our offense was blah. The players hated it too from their own accounts.
Posted by TJGator1215
FL/TN
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 2/6/18 at 1:18 am to
You again are wrong. We averaged 35 PPG(#10 in The country) UF led the SEC in total offense in 09 and RZ conversions, and was 2nd in rushing/passing yards and passing/rushing TDs. Meyer melting down was the issue. In fact the offense was an almost complete mirror image of 08 and that's without harvin, the most electrifying player we've ever had.
This post was edited on 2/6/18 at 1:22 am
Posted by TJGator1215
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Posted on 2/6/18 at 1:31 am to
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Because like I literally just said. Lamar was a 90 percent CB to FSU, he took him and now the kid isn't even visiting FSU. 

Lulz. Also Ohio state took a QB before Jones flipped because he was taking so many visits. They expected to happen.
Posted by TJGator1215
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Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 2/6/18 at 1:38 am to
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Mullen (as much as MSU fans would hate to admit) was the reason we won national championships, we did it with his offenses and really the biggest difference is his creativity -- something MSU fans will say doesn't exist, but they just don't realize that guys like Percy Harvin aren't going to MSU ever unless something radical happens.








The offense wasn't Mullens it was Meyer's. He created it and brought it from bowling green and Utah. Mullen was a QB coach on those teams.


This guy says hello:




I find it fascinating Meyer is doing the same thing at osu as he did here. Hmmmm. Meyer has won more games and conference titles without Mullen than with him as an OC.
This post was edited on 2/6/18 at 1:42 am
Posted by Gatorbait2008
Member since Aug 2015
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Posted on 2/6/18 at 2:18 am to
The offense was not the same as 08 and 09, thus further proving you aren't a Gator fan. Remember in 08 we blew out most opponents, and so the fourth quarter was mainly running the clock out.

2008
15-25 pass/comp - 213 yards - 30 TD's
38 rushing attempts - 231 yards - 41 TD's

Big difference was close games. Close games we had a balanced attack. When you are up 40 at half time, you slow down the pace and stay on the ground. Basic football.


17-26 passing - 236 yards - 21 TD's
Rushing - 40 rushes per game - 220 yards - 30 TD's

So the stats tell the whole story. We ran more plays, and for less TD's. 2008 we blew out over half our opponents before the third quarter was over.

71 TD's compared to 51. The offenses weren't equal. Claiming so tells me you never watched either team, and just looked at stats to argue without remembering the dramatic differences in the performance of the teams. Go watch the fourth quarter of Tenn, USCe, Georgia, LSU, Hawaii etc. We threw infrequently. Where as in 2009, we had to throw all four quarters in a lot of games. We ran a balanced offense in 2008 till the leads were secured. Then went run heavy.

If you think 09 and 08 were the same level of offenses...you didn't watch a single game. So..go back to the FSU board's bro. Shits weak.
This post was edited on 2/6/18 at 2:21 am
Posted by TJGator1215
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Posted on 2/6/18 at 2:53 am to
It doesn't prove shite. Yes that offense struggled at times but it wasn't all world in 08 til after ole miss. If Mullens such a great coach why are his teams and offenses so inconsistent? How did they lose to South Alabama with an entire roster of Mullen's players? So the offense wasn't as great but it was because Meyer was breaking down. Explain that douche rocket. The common theme in Meyers success is Meyer. Mullen has had 3 years of decent offense. 3 in 9. Meyer made Mullen not the other way around.
This post was edited on 2/6/18 at 2:58 am
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
21146 posts
Posted on 2/6/18 at 2:05 pm to
You can't talk about this kind of stuff with TJ because he doesn't actually look at stats in depth.

Then there are others that said it was all Meyer, but it's quaint that after Mullen left Meyer immediately fell to pieces on offense and we, ten years later, have never been the same.

Fact of the matter is: Without Mullen, we would have never won those championships, and it was incredibly obvious how much he had to do with the offense after he left in 2008.

Just for a point of reference:

We had two games where we scored less than 30 in 2008.

In 2009 we had 7 games where we scored less than 30.

Two of those games were less than 20.

People read my comment just on one line alone, but there is a clear and defined drop-off in points scored as soon as Mullen left. Not only that, we didn't have as many yards because we literally had our second stringers playing in the third quarter of a few games and almost all had our second stringers in the fourth quarter in 2008.
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 2/6/18 at 2:49 pm to
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You can't talk about this kind of stuff with TJ because he doesn't actually look at stats in depth. Then there are others that said it was all Meyer, but it's quaint that after Mullen left Meyer immediately fell to pieces on offense and we, ten years later, have never been the same. Fact of the matter is: Without Mullen, we would have never won those championships, and it was incredibly obvious how much he had to do with the offense after he left in 2008. Just for a point of reference: We had two games where we scored less than 30 in 2008. In 2009 we had 7 games where we scored less than 30. Two of those games were less than 20. People read my comment just on one line alone, but there is a clear and defined drop-off in points scored as soon as Mullen left. Not only that, we didn't have as many yards because we literally had our second stringers playing in the third quarter of a few games and almost all had our second stringers in the fourth quarter in 2008.


I agree that Mullen had an impact.
But you are missing a few other key differences between 2008 and 2009.

First off... Percy Harvey.

Second... Your defense. You had 35 takeaways in 2008. Only 23 in 2009. That's huge for field position and momentum.
Posted by Gatorbait2008
Member since Aug 2015
22953 posts
Posted on 2/6/18 at 2:53 pm to
You mean why did Mullen and Meyer adjust the offense after a loss? Demps and Rainey is the answer.

After Ole Miss, the realization was Tebow can't do it alone and teams were focused on Harvin. Demps and Rainey exploded vs Arky with 100+ yards each.

Establishing three threats on offense speed wise, then the consistent threats of Murphy and Aaron. Chris and Demps were the two pieces added consistently to the offense that made it unstoppable. You couldn't focus on Harvin and Tebow anymore.
Posted by TJGator1215
FL/TN
Member since Sep 2011
14174 posts
Posted on 2/6/18 at 2:58 pm to
You said Mullen made Meyer. You are retarded. Meyer has won over 100 games without Mullen as an OC. 4 Conference titles and a NC. Mullen wished he could be like Meyer. He's not an elite recruiter or coach. Meyer would've never lost to South Alabama in year 8. The offense didn't fall to pieces until Meyer quit being there mentally. That 09 offense took a step back because we couldn't replace Percy.
This post was edited on 2/6/18 at 3:01 pm
Posted by Gatorbait2008
Member since Aug 2015
22953 posts
Posted on 2/6/18 at 3:00 pm to
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I agree that Mullen had an impact.
But you are missing a few other key differences between 2008 and 2009.

First off... Percy Harvey.



So let's end this argument because seems two people didn't watch both teams.

UF in 2009 got all their offense vs bad teams.
Chars Southern - 62 points
Troy - 56 points
Arkansas(good team)- 23 points
Tennessee - 23 points
Kentucky(bad team) - 41 points
LSU - 13 points
Miss State(bad team) - 29 points(Merlin's first year)
Georgia - 41 points
Vandy - 27 points
USCE - 24 points
FIU(bad team - 63 points
FSU - 37


No let's compare to 08
Hawaii - 56
Miami - 26
Tenn - 30
Ole Miss - 30 - So to this point, offenses are similar...but then
Arky - 38
LSU - 51(top ten LSU)
Kentucky - 63
Georgia - 49(top ten at the time as well)
Vandy - 42 - Called horses off early as hell
USCE - 56
Citadel - 70
FSU - 45

The key difference, was 2008 Florida used Demps and Rainey properly after Ole Miss. They focused the offense to getting them outside along with Percy. Then just flat dominated a top five schedule. 2009 struggled all season in big games to get their footwork.

To claim these offenses are the same...means you didn't watch either team.

Proving TJ is not a Gator.
Posted by TJGator1215
FL/TN
Member since Sep 2011
14174 posts
Posted on 2/6/18 at 3:19 pm to
How many total yards and TDs did harvin have? I'll save your dumbass from looking like an idiot:

Ark: 9-74-1
LSU: 8-125-2
UK: 3-55-2
UGA: 7-89-2
VU: 12-92-1
SCAR: 9-173-2
Cit: 5-125-1
FSU: 6-13-1
Total:59-746-12
Avg: 7.49-93.25-1.5
Percy was the reason why that offense was insane.
Chip. Kelly. Is. Coming. To UF.
Posted by Gatorbait2008
Member since Aug 2015
22953 posts
Posted on 2/6/18 at 3:26 pm to
LOL of course you needed to resort to the last comment. Because you are losing the argument.

Percy was absolutely amazing, but not the difference in how the offense ran.

Demps and Rainey were used correctly in 2008, and oddly in 2009. Our WR group was still pretty strong in 2009. Just not as amazing as Percy Mercy. It's amazing you didn't watch these teams. It honestly is. You missed a lot from the 2008 show. Mullen spread out more, and used more motion presnap to odd formations. He also relied significantly less on half backs up the middle. We went up the middle far to frequently with Demps and Rainey in 2009. It showed itself even worse in 2010. With a pro style QB, Mullen won a national title and produced a first overall pick in Alex Smith. Addazio...gave Meyer a heart attack because his offense was so bad.

As for Mullen making Meyer. That's not true. Straws is way off there. Meyer is the second best CFB coach by his own doing. Mullen did help refine the system with him at Utah and was with him on the fore front of the offense which both use, and their stats are actually oddly similar despite glaring talent differences at OSU vs MSU.

Want more proof of the dramatic cord difference? See Addazio's offense at BC. There is...no offense.
This post was edited on 2/6/18 at 3:29 pm
Posted by TJGator1215
FL/TN
Member since Sep 2011
14174 posts
Posted on 2/6/18 at 3:32 pm to
As an OC they're the same. Lulz. An OC doesn't make a great HC more at 11. Your argument was blown out OF the water by harvin not being here. Melt on..
This post was edited on 2/6/18 at 3:44 pm
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
21146 posts
Posted on 2/6/18 at 5:26 pm to
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Second... Your defense. You had 35 takeaways in 2008. Only 23 in 2009. That's huge for field position and momentum.


Yet only 200 less yards yet much higher yield for scoring points. The offense completely changed from 2009, and then a steady decline into the hundreds just two short years after Mullen left -- and Meyer left the program.

Mullen literally gave us the best offensive production we've had for over a decade, and the second he wasn't with us our entire offense went to the hundreds and we saw a total decline of points by at least one hundred over the course of a year.

Let's not even talk about 2010.
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
26005 posts
Posted on 2/6/18 at 5:35 pm to
You want to gloss over 12 turnovers like that alone doesn't almost define an offense. Thats fine.

quote:

Let's not even talk about 2010.


And this is when you gloss over Tebow.
Posted by fibonaccisquared
The mystical waters of the Hooch
Member since Dec 2011
16898 posts
Posted on 2/6/18 at 5:37 pm to
quote:

Second... Your defense. You had 35 takeaways in 2008. Only 23 in 2009. That's huge for field position and momentum.


quote:

Yet only 200 less yards yet much higher yield for scoring points.

I don't think this makes the point you think it does...

This thread has become amusing again. Carry on.
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