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Posted on 1/11/20 at 11:54 pm
Posted by Babble
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Posted on 1/11/20 at 11:54 pm
How many of the incoming transfers count against Florida's 25 for the 2020 class?
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 1/12/20 at 5:27 am to
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How many of the incoming transfers count against Florida's 25 for the 2020 class?




Pretty sure all of them do unless they can back count some. The rules have gotten so complicated now that it's hard to tell.
Posted by Porter Osborne Jr
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 1/12/20 at 7:14 am to
Any that sign by the February NSD count towards this year. After that they count towards next year.
Posted by atlgator
Jacksonville, Atlanta, Gainesville
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 1/12/20 at 8:06 am to
Not sure the exact number, but including them we can take 29-30 this class.

21 signees, 3 transfers, 3 commits. Leaves room for 2-3 more, but i think Marc Britt gets processed and Leonard Manuel is a risk to get in that we won’t take if we have more guys that want in than spots available.

Top targets are Avantae Williams, Sedric Van Pran, Ashaad Clayton, Jahmyr Gibbs, and Dee Beckwith. Princely Unanamalien (spelling probably off) is a target as well, but more of a long shot than the others.
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 1/12/20 at 8:14 am to
Nope. New rules. You can't back count more than 2.
Posted by atlgator
Jacksonville, Atlanta, Gainesville
Member since Aug 2014
5520 posts
Posted on 1/12/20 at 8:19 am to
We had 3 kids enroll for bowl practices which count back to the 2019 class, I believe. 12 total early enrollees.
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 1/12/20 at 8:26 am to
1) they only backcount if you have room in the previous class.

2) there is a cap on the number that can backcount.
Posted by atlgator
Jacksonville, Atlanta, Gainesville
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 1/12/20 at 9:19 am to
I’m just telling you how many our 247 board has said we can take all cycle. We have plenty of spots left
Posted by TidalSurge1
Ft Walton Beach
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 1/12/20 at 2:21 pm to
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Any that sign by the February NSD count towards this year. After that they count towards next year.

The date an NLOI or aid agreement is signed does not control which academic year's 25 signings limit or 25 initial counters limit a player counts toward. The academic term that the aid will be initially provided by the school and received by the player is what determines that.

Any signed NLOI or aid agreement specifying that the initial countable scholarship is for the fall term of the 2020-21 academic year or an earlier term (e.g., spring or summer of the 2019-20 academic year) will count toward the 2020-21 academic year's 25 signings limit, unless there are unused 2019-20 academic year (prior-cycle) signing limit spots which the player, as an early enrollee, can be counted against. Regardless of whether they're HS players or grad, undergrad or juco transfers, there aren't any exception provisions in the NCAA Bylaws that would enable counting them "forward" against the 2021-22 academic year's 25 signings limit. Ability to count transfers "forward" is a myth that's been perpetuated on message boards. The only option available anymore for deferring counting toward a future academic year's 25 limits is to defer the receipt of initial financial aid (initial enrollment on an athletic scholarship); which is commonly called greyshirting.
This post was edited on 1/13/20 at 4:46 pm
Posted by Porter Osborne Jr
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 1/12/20 at 3:48 pm to
Posted by TidalSurge1
Ft Walton Beach
Member since Sep 2016
36467 posts
Posted on 1/12/20 at 3:58 pm to
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Myth perpetuation example - Dawgs247
This post was edited on 1/12/20 at 4:00 pm
Posted by Porter Osborne Jr
Member since Sep 2012
40013 posts
Posted on 1/12/20 at 4:10 pm to
Sorry, I don't subscribe to 247. Gotta anymore examples of that from a different UGA board?
Posted by TidalSurge1
Ft Walton Beach
Member since Sep 2016
36467 posts
Posted on 1/12/20 at 4:12 pm to
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Nope. New rules. You can't back count more than 2.

Your post is the first time I've ever seen anything about a "new rule" that puts a hard cap on how many early (midyear) enrolles can "backcount" against unused prior-cycle spots. Can you provide a link or copy of the "new rule" itself showing that's true? I'm certain that Bama backcounted more than 2 in the 2019 recruiting cycle. So unless it's a very new rule that became effective for the 2020 cycle, I doubt there's a direct arbitrary hard cap of 2.

The major "new rule" which became effective for the 2018 recruiting cycle was the addition of a new limit of 25 signed NLOIs and aid agreements per academic year, which count toward the 25 signings limit for the academic year in which the aid is initially provided (not the date of the signing itself) -- which, generally speaking, is consistent with the previously existing rules specifying that a player becomes an initial counter toward an academic year's 25 inital counters limit based on when the aid is "received for the first time" (initially provided).

Generally speaking, the signings limit rule does support pre-existing initial counter exception rules, including grayshirting and backcounting midyear replacement early enrollees against the current academic year's (prior cycle's) unused 25-limit spots, but it does not support blueshirting because it states that all aid agreements stipulating the aid is initially provided for the fall term must count toward that current academic year's 25 signings limit, and it has no exception that aligns with the "blueshirt" exception for nonrecruited players that allows for counting them against the next academic year's initial counters limit. That's why schools can't and don't blueshirt players anymore. Anyone saying they can and do is incorrect. Blueshirting cannot be done anymore for nonrecruited HS players nor for nonrecruited transfers.

There's also no provision for a school to get the signing limit spot back (to use for another player) if a player fails to qualify academically. But that player won't have to be counted again toward another academic year's signings limit if/when he transfers to and enrolls at that same college after graduating from juco.
This post was edited on 1/14/20 at 11:25 pm
Posted by TidalSurge1
Ft Walton Beach
Member since Sep 2016
36467 posts
Posted on 1/12/20 at 4:23 pm to
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Sorry, I don't subscribe to 247. Gotta anymore examples of that from a different UGA board?

Here's what was posted:
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If we land McKitty, do we still take a shot at Black? Seem to be running out of room with the addition of Newman and possibly McKitty lol. Or Is it a TE or WR type of situation

Next year counters

Nobody challenged him about it. Apparently they just assumed he knows the rules.
This post was edited on 1/13/20 at 12:08 pm
Posted by Hugh McElroy
Member since Sep 2013
17432 posts
Posted on 1/12/20 at 4:46 pm to
My understanding is that there has long been a rule on 25 signed LOIs, with the exception that you could count December enrollees to the previous class - but only up to three, and only if you have fewer than 25 LOIs in the previous class. However, since transfers did not sign LOIs, they did not count against this number. The new rule is that transfers now DO count against this number.
Posted by TidalSurge1
Ft Walton Beach
Member since Sep 2016
36467 posts
Posted on 1/12/20 at 5:01 pm to
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My understanding is that there has long been a rule on 25 signed LOIs, with the exception that you could count December enrollees to the previous class - but only up to three, and only if you have fewer than 25 LOIs in the previous class. However, since transfers did not sign LOIs, they did not count against this number. The new rule is that transfers now DO count against this number.

Your understanding isn't quite correct. It's apparently based on some misconceptions that commonly get spread around on message boards. NLOIs and aid agreements count toward the annual 25 signings limits, based on the initial academic term the aid is provided (not the date of the signing). The NCAA Bylaws have never had a hard cap of 3 or any other specific number limiting how many "early enrollees" (midyear replacements) can be backcounted. It's limited to the number of the current academic year's (prior cycle's) 25 signing spots that are unused. For example, if you have 8 unused spots and had 8 or more players who graduated midyear or the prior academic year, then you can backcount up to 8 midyear replacement "early enrollees". Also, FBS schools must have the full limit of 85 players on scholarship at some point during the fall term to be eligible to utilize the midyear replacement option, which is the rule that allows for backcounting.
This post was edited on 1/13/20 at 12:13 pm
Posted by Hugh McElroy
Member since Sep 2013
17432 posts
Posted on 1/12/20 at 5:16 pm to
Posted by TidalSurge1
Ft Walton Beach
Member since Sep 2016
36467 posts
Posted on 1/12/20 at 5:25 pm to


Here's a link from the 1st post in the Bama board pinned recruiting thread to posts that provide all of the pertinent NCAA Bylaws concerning FBS Signing/Counter Limits as well as explanatory notes and article links and a brief tutorial to help clear up common misconceptions about them.
This post was edited on 1/12/20 at 6:13 pm
Posted by xxTIMMYxx
Member since Aug 2019
17562 posts
Posted on 1/13/20 at 9:19 am to
I thought transfers counted against the 85, not the 25 per class.
Posted by TidalSurge1
Ft Walton Beach
Member since Sep 2016
36467 posts
Posted on 1/13/20 at 10:16 am to
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I thought transfers counted against the 85, not the 25 per class.

Whoever told you that is ignorant about the NCAA Bylaws pertaining to signing, initial counter and total counter limitations. Generally speaking, ALL of those rules apply to transfers in essentially the same manner that they apply to regular HS recruits.

Here's a link from the 1st post in the Bama board pinned recruiting thread to posts that provide all of the pertinent NCAA Bylaws concerning FBS Signing/Counter Limits as well as explanatory notes and article links and a brief tutorial to help clear up common misconceptions about them.
This post was edited on 1/14/20 at 11:02 pm
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