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It was a huge distraction for the team and ramped up the public pressure on Mac, who proceeded to wilt and then make up some bizarre story about death threats.

I don't dispute this, and Mac certainly wasn't equipped for the mental aspect of coaching at a high-pressure program

But we were fricking inept and were getting blown out by mediocre teams at the end of the year. And even if you think that was a seven-win roster with everyone available, we didn't get everyone available the next year. It certainly helped to have Scarlett and Miller, but our roster in 2018 wasn't exceedingly better than our roster in 2017.

I understand the larger point here is in defense of Pruitt, and I'm not arguing that Tennessee wasn't a mess when he got there, but Mullen absolutely was impressive in 2018 and not sure what good diminishing that does.
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I understand the larger point here is in defense of Pruitt, and I'm not arguing that Tennessee wasn't a mess when he got there, but Mullen absolutely was impressive in 2018 and not sure what good diminishing that does.



I am not ITT diminishing Mullen (like the Georgia fans), I am simply making the argument that Mullen and Pruitt inherited much different rosters and cultures.

Mullen inherited a defense with:

Vosean Joseph
David Reese
Chauncey Gardner
Jachai Polite
Jabari Zuniga
CJ Henderson
Cece Jefferson (know he was injured but the point stands).


Comparatively, VOLS had:

Darrell Taylor
Shy Tuttle (who had broken one leg and torn an ACL in the other leg the previous two seasons)
Daniel Bituli, who has no knees left (proven by his failed physicals leading up to the draft.

Florida definitely had a significant talent advantage on defense.


On offense:

RB: Perine and Jordan Scarlett > Ty Chandler and Tim Jordan (not close imo)

QB: Franks > Gitmo (although both are trash so not really worth mentioning).

WR/TE: Swain, Cleveland, Toney, and Lewis > Jennings and Callaway. Mullen did well getting Van Jefferson in but he inherited a more talented and deeper group, although there’s not a huge difference there.


Both O Lines inherited were complete slaw. Taylor and Trey Smith are probably the only two worth a shite from both groups.



Not to mention one team had a losing streak to all 13 schools in the league while the other won 2 division titles in the 3 years prior. Mullen inherited a team that at least had experience winning and a better locker room culture overall imo, however much stock you put into that kind of thing.
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Mullen absolutely was impressive in 2018 and not sure what good diminishing that does.


Diminishing it tells the story in a more accurate way.


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Fair enough, I won't argue that Pruitt inherited a tougher situation than Mullen, although I don't the gap was that wide -- both inherited bad QBs and OLs. Not a lot of coaches can scheme around that, and Mullen did an exemplary job of it

Pruitt is doing work on the trail right now, though, and I look forward to the East becoming a three-horse race again


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Diminishing it tells the story in a more accurate way.
ok, sure, coming off a four-win season and winning ten games including wins over LSU and Michigan while scheming around a horse shite QB and OL wasn't impressive at all, sure


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although I don't the gap was that wide -- both inherited bad QBs and OLs. Not a lot of coaches can scheme around that, and Mullen did an exemplary job of it


Agree that the offensive talent was fairly similar, only glaring difference was Florida’s backfield being significantly better. Mullen did far more with the transfer portal but it’s to be expected especially when Pruitt’s OC hire turned out to be a complete dud. Could have really used Chaney right from the start

No comparison with regards to the defensive talent though.
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coming off a four-win season and winning ten games including wins over LSU and Michigan while scheming around a horse shite QB and OL wasn't impressive at all, sure


Regular season was essentially a 4 game turnaround based on 2 ooc games and 2 sec west games:

1. Charleston southern replacing Michigan
2. FSU becoming terrible.
3. Flipping a close loss to LSU into a close win over LSU
4. Flipping a close loss to anm into a close win over MSU

Just not as impressive of a turnaround as you gators make it seem like.


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And we beat down the same Michigan team that beat us down the year prior

There was a ridiculous jump from that 2017 team to that 2018 team and downplaying the difference by summarizing it as "all you did was beat the teams you're supposed to beat" is reductive and juvenile


dial228gators
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Lol, so NOW he inherited a top 15 roster? Revisionists are the worst man.


dial228gators
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I guess that made Bama lucky too when Tua got into the game? Lucky is fluky shite that happens that can't be explained.


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Dakota Mitchell is a Gator 


I was sad to see him decommit from LSU. Im no expert but I thought his film was outstanding.


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Porter Osborne Jr
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Blame 247 for the rankings hoss. Y’all act like it was a garbage roster when clearly it wasn’t.


sand mountainDvalues
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Lol, so NOW he inherited a top 15 roster? Revisionists are the worst man.

10 players drafted the past two seasons that Mullen inherited from Mac. Wasn’t a great roster but definitely top 15


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We had talent for sure but it's also the same roster that won four games in 2017.

Like I won't argue that Mullen won 10 games with a Vandy-esque roster or something, but he came into a program with crazy culture problems and some fatal flaws and was able to correct the culture and scheme around the flaws.

It wasn't a miracle or anything but it was a damn fine coaching job and I don't get why certain UGA fans are too prideful to admit that


dial228gators
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No, we just remember the literal insults that were used to describe that very roster at the time. You didn't call it a top 15 roster then did you? No, I'm pretty sure you didn't. So, as first stated, revisionists suck.


sand mountainDvalues
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It wasn't a miracle or anything but it was a damn fine coaching job and I don't get why certain UGA fans are too prideful to admit that


Oh I think we know why they won’t admit it


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Porter Osborne Jr
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Nice deflection. Go ahead and search my post history saying your roster was garbage. Here’s a hint, I never said that. Gator fans on the other hand treat it like its gospel when clearly it’s not true


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djsdawg
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There was a ridiculous jump from that 2017 team to that 2018 team and downplaying the difference by summarizing it as "all you did was beat the teams you're supposed to beat" is reductive and juvenile


I explained why going from 4-7 to 9-3 was not the ridiculous regular season turnaround you claim it was, and you failed to refute any of it in a reasonable manner.

I forgot to mention the easy 2017 game that wasn’t played, the early suspensions, the long list of injuries, or the key addition of van Jefferson.
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Alright, since you asked for evidence of an impressive turnaround, I'll give it to you

Let's go through our S&P+ rankings throughout Muschamp, Mac, and Mullen's tenure. It'll give what Mullen did right away an even bigger shine.

Muschamp's tenure:

2011 (7-6) -- OVERALL #24, OFF #57, DEF #10
2012 (11-2) -- OVERALL #5, OFF #44, DEF #1
2013 (4-8) -- OVERALL #46, OFF #81, DEF #12
2014 (7-5) -- OVERALL #21, OFF #62, DEF #6

Mac's tenure:

2015 (10-4) -- OVERALL #25, OFF #81, DEF #9
2016 (9-4) -- OVERALL #20, OFF #84, DEF #5
2017 (4-7) -- OVERALL #34, OFF #51, DEF #33

Mullen's tenure:

2018 (10-3) -- OVERALL #9, OFF #15, DEF #17
2019 (11-2) -- OVERALL #7, OFF #11, DEF #7

You can diminish the obvious turnaround there by saying it was a schedule difference, that we got some lucky breaks in close games, or that we only beat the teams we were supposed to beat.

But we hadn't had a top forty offense in a decade.

Mullen came in and immediately changed that.

It was impressive. You can be obtuse and deny that, but know that you're being willfully obtuse.


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Installing an all new offense and D got pussy OL into shape got the D and O right

Went from 21 ppg to 35 ppg in 1 year

A QB everybody called garbage in Frank's

When we lost to Kentucky u wrote us off a lot did. Yet we finished either right next to u in the polls or higher with all u 5* and high 4* talent too lol

Same in 19 very close in polls

Titles or bust well ur last title was 10 yrs before I was born

Are u old did u enjoy it doubt it

Yea it's pretty damn impressive



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