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Posted on 12/16/15 at 1:20 pm to piggilicious
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there is a RECRUITING BOARD for this to the left, right below where it says sec rant.
So mad
Posted on 12/16/15 at 1:23 pm to BHMKyle
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Say what you want about Muschamp, but the man could recruit. He landed the #3 class in 2012, the #4 class in 2013, and the #8 class in 2013.
I think most SCAR fans are saying that he can still recruit based upon what we are already seeing.
He's supposed to be a very strong closer, bringing in some of the best talent towards the end of the recruiting period just before signing day so the jury is still out on SCAR until signing day IMHO.
Posted on 12/16/15 at 1:23 pm to jefffan
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Recruiting doesn't matter if you can't coach the guys you bring in. Muschamp was a failure at that( as he was at most things while he was here); but Mac proved he can coach Muschamp's players (with all of its roster flaws) to Atlanta in one year.
Future's bright.
Tell me how Mac's 2015 season is different from Muschamp's 2012 season. Here are some stats:
2012 Florida
11-2 record
#9 finish
Total Offense ranked #104
Total Defense ranked #5
2015 Florida
10-3 record
Currently ranked #19
Total Offense ranks #109
Total Defense ranked #6
The only difference is that Georgia was great back in 2012 and not very good in 2015, so Florida won the East by default.
Those two Gator teams are virtually the exact same. Anyone who watched that Florida squad back in 2012 knew they weren't very good, yet somehow had a great record. Same goes for this season.
The offense was even worse than it ever was during the Muschamp era despite two former Saban OC's calling the plays.
Mac may turn out to be okay. But anyone who watched Florida struggle to beat East Carolina, Vandy, Florida Atlantic, etc. this year and then watched the 27-2 embarrassment against Florida State knows this Florida team is not very good.
I'm amazed that UF fans can honestly think they are in a better situation now than they were back in 2012. The only difference between the two is that Muschamp was still bringing in Top 5 recruiting classes, while McElwain looks to be landed Top 15-25 classes.
Posted on 12/16/15 at 1:35 pm to BHMKyle
Our starting QB was suspended in mid season you tard.
Posted on 12/16/15 at 1:37 pm to BHMKyle
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he only difference between the two is that Muschamp was still bringing in Top 5 recruiting classes, while McElwain looks to be landed Top 15-25 classes.
After not even being done with ONE full recruiting class, you make this statement.
You are FOS.
Posted on 12/16/15 at 1:50 pm to BHMKyle
You are trying way too hard to make yourself feel like Florida won't be any good going forward. I don't have time to completely tear apart your argument but here are a few points.
-Go and look at the 2012 team roster. Mainly the defense. It was LOADED with Meyer's talent. Why did you just stop with Muschamp's recruiting like he brought it all in?
-Stop throwing up defensive stats like it was some miracle we had a good defense this year. We always do. Sorry it hasn't been a problem for us like it has for ya'll in the past (offense is the issue). When is the last time we had a bad defense? 2007 is the last one I remember.
-Muschamp did get a lot of top tier guys. He is a good recruiter and can get guys when he wants them. However, he was an awful roster manager. While getting your 4/5 star guys (like that always tells the story anyhow) he would completely whiff on loading up on positions of need. Mainly the OL and LB. His problem was he would shoot for the high star guys and if he missed, he had no back up and we where left with nothing at those positions multiple years. I would think if recruiting classes were more heavily wieghted toward getting players needed at certain positions instead of just stars no matter the position, Muschamps classes would look nowhere near as good.
-Mac literally did not have enough O lineman to hold a practice at the beginning of the year. He had to go out and get transfers just to get us in reasonable shape.
-I would be curious to see what our offensive rank this year would be while Grier was at the helm. Yes I know PEDs blah, blah, blah, but the offense was completely different with a QB worth a shite. UGA fans should know now what happens when you dont have one. I was at the games and you could see open TEs and WRs everywhere while Treon was at QB. The plays were and will be there.
That's all I got for now. But like I said earlier. Don't worry your little head over Mac and the Gators. We'll be just fine.
-Go and look at the 2012 team roster. Mainly the defense. It was LOADED with Meyer's talent. Why did you just stop with Muschamp's recruiting like he brought it all in?
-Stop throwing up defensive stats like it was some miracle we had a good defense this year. We always do. Sorry it hasn't been a problem for us like it has for ya'll in the past (offense is the issue). When is the last time we had a bad defense? 2007 is the last one I remember.
-Muschamp did get a lot of top tier guys. He is a good recruiter and can get guys when he wants them. However, he was an awful roster manager. While getting your 4/5 star guys (like that always tells the story anyhow) he would completely whiff on loading up on positions of need. Mainly the OL and LB. His problem was he would shoot for the high star guys and if he missed, he had no back up and we where left with nothing at those positions multiple years. I would think if recruiting classes were more heavily wieghted toward getting players needed at certain positions instead of just stars no matter the position, Muschamps classes would look nowhere near as good.
-Mac literally did not have enough O lineman to hold a practice at the beginning of the year. He had to go out and get transfers just to get us in reasonable shape.
-I would be curious to see what our offensive rank this year would be while Grier was at the helm. Yes I know PEDs blah, blah, blah, but the offense was completely different with a QB worth a shite. UGA fans should know now what happens when you dont have one. I was at the games and you could see open TEs and WRs everywhere while Treon was at QB. The plays were and will be there.
That's all I got for now. But like I said earlier. Don't worry your little head over Mac and the Gators. We'll be just fine.
This post was edited on 12/16/15 at 2:00 pm
Posted on 12/16/15 at 2:01 pm to boXerrumble
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Our starting QB was suspended in mid season you tard.
Oh yes, I forgot.
Before Grier went down, Florida was an offensive juggarnaut.
Through the month of September, Florida ranked #74 in Total Offense... after playing New Mexico State, East Carolina, Kentucky, and Tennessee.
606 of Florida's 1,612 total yards at that point in the season came in Week 1 against New Mexico State who ranked #125 in Total Defense.
I had totally forgotten about how strong the Florida offense was back when they beat East Carolina 24-17 and Kentucky, 14-9. Those 245 total yards of offense against the Kentucky Wildcats was by far the highlight of the early season. Until you had reminded me, I had forgotten about Grier's 125 yards passing, zero TD's and 1 INT up in Lexington. Lights out!!
Posted on 12/16/15 at 2:10 pm to BHMKyle
The better question is how did Georgia lose to Treon Harris not once but twice?
Posted on 12/16/15 at 2:10 pm to BHMKyle
Grier visibly progressed every game and performed better and better.
If you cant see that then I can't help you.
And G8RnGA already described the other issues.
If you cant see that then I can't help you.
And G8RnGA already described the other issues.
Posted on 12/16/15 at 2:27 pm to BHMKyle
OP here's another point. Based on your OP with all your star% UGA should be the best team in the SEC right? Or damned near it? How can you recruit so well and not be in the SECCG?
The past 3 SEC East winners are UF, Missouri and Missouri....yeah they aren't even on your list!
With that being said, your argument is recruiting rankings lead to success but the past 3 winners aren't the team with the most star power. In fact, ya'll just fired your coach. Why? Because I'm sure you would argue Coaching and not recruiting rankings are the reason.
Basically the opposite of the entire point of your OP, which is somehow leaves off coaching ability and roster management because Muschamp could recruit but was a bad coach, same for Richt, right? But Mac CAN coach and manage a roster, but wait that's not important. So which is it?
The past 3 SEC East winners are UF, Missouri and Missouri....yeah they aren't even on your list!
With that being said, your argument is recruiting rankings lead to success but the past 3 winners aren't the team with the most star power. In fact, ya'll just fired your coach. Why? Because I'm sure you would argue Coaching and not recruiting rankings are the reason.
Basically the opposite of the entire point of your OP, which is somehow leaves off coaching ability and roster management because Muschamp could recruit but was a bad coach, same for Richt, right? But Mac CAN coach and manage a roster, but wait that's not important. So which is it?
This post was edited on 12/16/15 at 2:34 pm
Posted on 12/16/15 at 2:43 pm to G8RnGA
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Based on your OP with all your star% UGA should be the best team in the SEC right? Or damned near it? How can you recruit so well and not be in the SECCG?
The OP dealt entirely with the recruiting class of 2016. Not sure how kids in high school today can help UGA reach Atlanta the past few years.
Posted on 12/16/15 at 2:46 pm to BHMKyle
Why use Rivals when you have the industry composite at 247sports that includes averages from every major recruiting site?
Posted on 12/16/15 at 2:49 pm to BHMKyle
Ok......so you put all that mess up their to point out Mac and the Gators are trending down due to last year's class and this year's which hasn't ended yet?
Well as they say, you can't argue with stupid. You win
Well as they say, you can't argue with stupid. You win
This post was edited on 12/16/15 at 2:50 pm
Posted on 12/16/15 at 2:52 pm to rockytop627
I don't know why players go to UGA or Texas A&M just a waste.
Posted on 12/16/15 at 3:00 pm to G8RnGA
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Ok......so you put all that mess up their to point out Mac and the Gators are trending down due to last year's class and this year's which hasn't ended yet?
UF finished #23 last year in recruiting... its lowest ranking probably since before Spurrier came to Gainesville (records only go back to 2002).
This year, if you look at the AVERAGE star rating of each current commitment, Florida ranks #19. The only reason they sit at #8 in the actual rankings is because they already have 25 commitments. ie. there's not much room left to fill up the class with quality.
You are looking at another class finishing outside the Top 15. I've been alive long enough to realize with all the talent in the Sunshine State, its hard not to land back-to-back Top 15 classes. Congrats to Mac for finally doing it.
Posted on 12/16/15 at 3:08 pm to BHMKyle
Do people use rivals in 2015? Easily the worst of the 4 services.
Posted on 12/16/15 at 3:11 pm to BHMKyle
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The only reason they sit at #8 in the actual rankings is because they already have 25 commitments. ie. there's not much room left to fill up the class with quality.
From what I understand we will be culling out some guys and getting higher rated which don't pull the trigger closer to NSD. Will we? I don't have a crystal ball, but my bet is we do and we end up with a very solid class. Top 10.
But all this is a waste of time until that happens. Come find me after NSD and you can point and laugh if we get a shitty class. I won't say anything other than scoreboard and then we can all go our seperate ways until October 2016.
I'm out.
Posted on 12/16/15 at 5:15 pm to BHMKyle
Lol when UF closes out with a top 10 possible top 5 class, ill bump this thread.
Posted on 12/16/15 at 5:28 pm to BHMKyle
Are you retarded?
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