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Posted on 2/11/15 at 11:18 am to buckRogers
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He wasn't invited to the combine and was a detrument to your team nearly as much as Jennings was to ours.
Yeah, again selection bias. His worst moment was leaving early at LSU. That sort of character hadn't been shown the whole year.
Dude had us at one point in the top 5, had a great performance that beat Bama, put us in a position to win against Auburn barring a freak injury by Treadwell, and did all that without any kind of resemblance of a competent running game.
You're right, the stats don't tell the whole story. Guy isn't getting enough credit.
Posted on 2/11/15 at 11:20 am to geauxrebs
Well NFL scouts decided to invite the QB from University of South Alabama to the combine rather than him. I guess you're just smarter than everyone else.
Posted on 2/11/15 at 11:21 am to buckRogers
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never happened though...
That's why I used the verb is, which describes what is currently taking place rather than what has taken place in the past.
It hasn't happened, but.....
Posted on 2/11/15 at 11:23 am to buckRogers
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Well NFL scouts decided to invite the QB from University of South Alabama to the combine rather than him. I guess you're just smarter than everyone else.
What does him not projecting well to the NFL have anything to do with his abilities as a three year starter in the SEC?
Success in the SEC and success in the NFL aren't mutually exclusive. Just ask Jamarcus Russell.
Posted on 2/11/15 at 11:28 am to geauxrebs
well notice how I didn't mention Russell as a good thing that LSU produced. If we want to talk about college football success, Matt Flynn won a national championship, and Jordan Jefferson (and Jarrett Lee) won the SEC. So I guess all three are better QBs than Bo? I just don't know what you're trying to prove here man.
This post was edited on 2/11/15 at 11:29 am
Posted on 2/11/15 at 11:35 am to buckRogers
I'm looking at it more individually. LSU had team success during that time despite the lack of QB development.
When one or two QBs come in and struggle or don't develop, it could be just an outlier (too hyped, can't pickup the playbook, etc.).
When there's a pattern of 8-9 QBs that are highly rated and don't pan out as advertised, it's a trend that should raise some red flags.
Bottomline: It seems like every year, the narrative for LSU is if they only had a quarterback, they'd be a top 3 team or so. Yet LSU continues to sign highly-rated QBs out of HS. What's the deal?
When one or two QBs come in and struggle or don't develop, it could be just an outlier (too hyped, can't pickup the playbook, etc.).
When there's a pattern of 8-9 QBs that are highly rated and don't pan out as advertised, it's a trend that should raise some red flags.
Bottomline: It seems like every year, the narrative for LSU is if they only had a quarterback, they'd be a top 3 team or so. Yet LSU continues to sign highly-rated QBs out of HS. What's the deal?
This post was edited on 2/11/15 at 11:37 am
Posted on 2/11/15 at 11:46 am to geauxrebs
Ok let's do this individual thing then. Fact of the matter is, before Jordan Jefferson came, Matt Flynn was great (National Championship), and before him Jamarcus Russell was great. Jordan Jefferson/ Jarrett Lee were problematic, but ultimately produced a title run. Zach Mettenberger was great for LSU, no title run though. Thems the breaks. Now we're dealing with Jennings and Harris. Jennings is a rising junior and Harris is a rising sophomore, the book's not even closed on them yet. If you go down the list for LSU's QBs since Russell, there are four categories;
1.They won us a national championship; Matt Flynn
2.They went to a national championship; Jarrett Lee, Jordan Jefferson
3.They were largely successful, but didn't win us anything; Jamarcus Russell, Zach Mettenberger
4.The jury's still out on them; Brandin Harris, Anthony Jennings
Thank you for allowing us to break these guys down one by one.
1.They won us a national championship; Matt Flynn
2.They went to a national championship; Jarrett Lee, Jordan Jefferson
3.They were largely successful, but didn't win us anything; Jamarcus Russell, Zach Mettenberger
4.The jury's still out on them; Brandin Harris, Anthony Jennings
Thank you for allowing us to break these guys down one by one.
This post was edited on 2/11/15 at 11:49 am
Posted on 2/11/15 at 11:48 am to pankReb
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He's done more with less than Les has done with more.
He really hasn't, but whatever helps you sleep better at night, pank.
You signed a top 10 recruiting class two years ago, have built depth, and still have those WAOM moments every season.
While LSU has lost a world record of underclass men to the draft the last few years. LSU has had to replace experienced draft picks with inexperienced freshmen and sophomores at a much greater rate than any other school in the nation. Try replacing Mett, OBJ, and Hill along with an OG in Turner all in the same year and then get back to me.
Even with meh QB play we turn out WR's better than most schools in the SEC and nation.
Posted on 2/11/15 at 12:06 pm to buckRogers
Russell wasn't recruited or developed by Miles. That was Saban/Jimbo. Flynn wasn't recruited by Miles, but he was there for the majority of his career so I give you that one.
Your next statement goes into Jefferson and Lee, but again, you mention nothing they did individually and mention what happened as a team while they were QB.
I never disagreed on Mett.
Jennings sucks. There's absolutely zero chance that guy is what he was billed to be. Harris has a shot, but he didn't even look remotely close to being ready and honestly looked lost at times.
And again, you go from "let's do this individual thing" to going into what LSU accomplished as a team while they were QB.
Reply fail.
Your next statement goes into Jefferson and Lee, but again, you mention nothing they did individually and mention what happened as a team while they were QB.
I never disagreed on Mett.
Jennings sucks. There's absolutely zero chance that guy is what he was billed to be. Harris has a shot, but he didn't even look remotely close to being ready and honestly looked lost at times.
And again, you go from "let's do this individual thing" to going into what LSU accomplished as a team while they were QB.
Reply fail.
This post was edited on 2/11/15 at 12:13 pm
Posted on 2/11/15 at 12:12 pm to memphisplaya
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still have those WAOM moments every season.
"Every" season? He's been here three seasons.
Only one of those have we had any resemblance of SEC quality depth.
2012 we had like 65 scholarship players.
2013 we started getting depth but had youth everywhere
2014 we have depth just about everywhere except offensive line, which is why we struggled on offense down the stretch
Posted on 2/11/15 at 12:17 pm to geauxrebs
Ok im done. You're at the point where you're going to argue the subjective "success" of a player over the objective nature of a team's wins and achievements. Furthermore, you don't count Russell either way. Fine. You give me Flynn and Mett as successes. Cool. You accept that Jefferson and Lee had success in winning an SECCG and going to the NCG, but deny their success as individuals, so it's a wash. Fair. You say Jennings sucks. Fine, I personally don't expect him to start another game for LSU anyway. And you agree the jury's out on Harris. So in conclusion, you agree that out of the past 6 QBs LSU has had, 2 are outright successes, 2 are a conflict in argumentative interest since they have rings but you say they suck, 1 agreeably sucks, and 1 is currently being developed since he's ABOUT TO BE A TRUE SOPHOMORE. This is stupidly different than your initial argument.
Posted on 2/11/15 at 12:27 pm to buckRogers
quote:K
Ok im done.
quote:No, I've actually been pretty consistent throughout this argument that I'm not looking at accolades produced by LSU while said QB was playing but more what the QB actually did and how did he progress while being coached by Miles
You're at the point where you're going to argue the subjective "success" of a player over the objective nature of a team's wins and achievements.
quote:Their team won in spite of their performance rather than because of their performance. Gameplan wasn't to let the QB win the game, rather prevent a situation in which they lose it. Not great QBs when you take away team success. Put those guys on other teams and they struggle heavily.
2 are a conflict in argumentative interest since they have rings but you say they suck
quote:Which is why I said the jury is out but he didn't look good.
1 is currently being developed since he's ABOUT TO BE A TRUE SOPHOMORE
quote:Ummm....not really.
This is stupidly different than your initial argument.
This post was edited on 2/11/15 at 12:28 pm
Posted on 2/11/15 at 12:35 pm to geauxrebs
haha, alrighty. I guess you're just waiting for Patterson to ride in on horseback and fix everything then. Good luck.
Posted on 2/11/15 at 2:31 pm to geauxrebs
Just so you know, Jordan Jefferson got invited to the combine and Bo Wallace didn't.
Posted on 2/11/15 at 2:45 pm to RagingCajun3195
You must've skipped over that whole part about how I said being successful in college and successful in the NFL aren't mutually exclusive.
Bo was a good college QB, but his tools were never translating to the pros.
ETA: Point is, it's pretty amazing what Freeze was able to do with him. Everybody hated on the guy, and he was inconsistent, but he beat every single Western Division team during his career and had some really solid performances 2012 MSU, 2013 Texas, LSU, A&M and 2014 Bama, A&M, and Auburn
Bo was a good college QB, but his tools were never translating to the pros.
ETA: Point is, it's pretty amazing what Freeze was able to do with him. Everybody hated on the guy, and he was inconsistent, but he beat every single Western Division team during his career and had some really solid performances 2012 MSU, 2013 Texas, LSU, A&M and 2014 Bama, A&M, and Auburn
This post was edited on 2/11/15 at 2:59 pm
Posted on 2/11/15 at 2:55 pm to geauxrebs
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Bo was a good college QB, but his tools were never translating to the pros.
= the spread offense.
Posted on 2/11/15 at 3:04 pm to NFLSU
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= the spread offense.
or go completely for the win
No, it has more to do with the fact that Bo has a delayed throwing motion, limited arm strength, above-average accuracy, and limited mobility. And, let's face facts, if the dude was at LSU last year, he's easily the starter.
But, whatever fits your story.
This post was edited on 2/11/15 at 3:43 pm
Posted on 2/11/15 at 3:09 pm to geauxrebs
Geauxrebs
You really are an annoying poster. What has Bo Wallace done to establish himself as good? Mariota, Winston, those are good qbs. Bo Wallace is a bipolar crybaby who has the same skill set as most subpar qbs. Harris definitely has the jury still out on him but he looked damnnnn good against miss st and s lower level school he struggled on the road vs auburn remember his first start came in an sec game on the road less see at least a couple starts first
You really are an annoying poster. What has Bo Wallace done to establish himself as good? Mariota, Winston, those are good qbs. Bo Wallace is a bipolar crybaby who has the same skill set as most subpar qbs. Harris definitely has the jury still out on him but he looked damnnnn good against miss st and s lower level school he struggled on the road vs auburn remember his first start came in an sec game on the road less see at least a couple starts first
Posted on 2/11/15 at 3:12 pm to geauxrebs
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22 TDs, 17 INTs
18 TDs, 10 INTs,
22 TDs, 14 INTs
that's a crap load of ints compared to touchdowns
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