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re: Your child is applying for colleges in SEC
Posted on 9/7/22 at 9:48 pm to BowlJackson
Posted on 9/7/22 at 9:48 pm to BowlJackson
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Nothing trashy about a well done, professional tattoo.
Upper back thigh bow tattoo. Hot. Fight me.
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Posted on 9/7/22 at 9:57 pm to Lord Asano
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Don't ever compare Maryland academics to you nasty disgusting pigs.
Wait, why are you here ??
Posted on 9/7/22 at 10:02 pm to OKBoomerSooner
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Female: Too many absolute shithole cities where she’d be risking being raped and murdered to pick from. LSU came to mind but it’s far from the only one.
Baylor isn’t SEC
Posted on 9/7/22 at 10:28 pm to iglass
That list from your son makes no sense unless it is some specialty.
Objectively it really depends on what you are majoring in and what you plan to do with it. Some schools are crap except a few majors. Some schools are highly rated but some of the majors are crap.
I'd put the schools this way:
1. Vanderbilt-best all around. In the just below Ivy category.
Research schools with lots of Research spend and big endowments, great for Engineering and Business and well rounded.
A&M and Florida
Next tier Research schools with solid Engineering and Ag Schools as well as good Business
Auburn
Missouri
State
LSU
Liberal Arts focused schools with solid B Schools
Georgia
Bama
Tennessee
Kentucky
South Carolina
Arky
Ole Miss
Objectively it really depends on what you are majoring in and what you plan to do with it. Some schools are crap except a few majors. Some schools are highly rated but some of the majors are crap.
I'd put the schools this way:
1. Vanderbilt-best all around. In the just below Ivy category.
Research schools with lots of Research spend and big endowments, great for Engineering and Business and well rounded.
A&M and Florida
Next tier Research schools with solid Engineering and Ag Schools as well as good Business
Auburn
Missouri
State
LSU
Liberal Arts focused schools with solid B Schools
Georgia
Bama
Tennessee
Kentucky
South Carolina
Arky
Ole Miss
Posted on 9/7/22 at 10:46 pm to aggressor
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aggressor
That list from your son makes no sense unless it is some specialty.
I don't disagree with you, particularly about the majors.
I have been around long enough and supervised enough people to know that a particular school someone attended is nothing more than a door-opener. Achievement is driven much more by personality, drive, and desire.
Me... I'd go with, in general...
Tier 1: Vandy
Tier 2: Florida
Tier 3: Georgia, Texas A&M
Tier 4: Pick'em from the rest based on major or specialty.
Wanna be a vet? go to Tennessee, Miss St, or Auburn.
Journalist? Missouri.
International Business? South Carolina.
Lawyer? Alabama would be great.
Petroleum engineer? LSU would be a hot ticket.
Pharmacy? Kentucky is well respected.
And so forth. There is not a single dud school in the SEC, just some that would be preferable based on major or location. I personally graduated from Alabama with a degree in Applied Physics. It has served me well as a plant engineer, in the nuclear field, and as a NASA contractor. No complaints here.
What kills me though, are the rankings with nebulous criteria. I already discussed Ole Miss and Miss St. Should they be penalized for acceptance rates outside their control? Not to me. Aren't state supported schools SUPPOSED to be accepting of in-state students? Alabama's med school was transferred over to UAB years ago, killing them on "research dollars". Auburn started their own medical school (of a sort). It is impossible to evaluate criteria without context, yet the ranking services do so for hundreds of universities. It cannot be thoroughly performed and accomplished.
Again, from personal experience, a few short years ago, Alabama had climbed past Auburn and was ranked about 95th or so as I recall. Now we are ranked 148th in the USNWR ranking? What has changed in that time? By every available metric, Alabama has improved but our ranking has fallen by 50 points. That's why I never trust nebulous rankings and prefer to evaluate graduates individually.
But hey, that's just me.
Posted on 9/7/22 at 10:46 pm to multicampus
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An often overlooked factor in states with a Hope scholarship is the inevitable grade inflation that starts to occur in high school. Can't give little Timmy a C because I don't want to be the teacher that ruins his chances to go to college. So we'll let him do an extra assignment and make sure he gets a B+.
I was accepted to both Georgia Tech and Georgia out of high school, and my numbers weren't anything like what is required now. But, grade inflation and SAT re-scoring hadn't started yet because HOPE was brand new. "Back in my day" if you got a C at the end of the semester, you got a C.
Once high school grade inflation kicks in, that's when you'll see a state's entrance requirements skyrocket.
Also, political, but.... being a middle or upper middle class white male, and to a lesser extent female, will put you at a further disadvantage. Unless you are very rural. You get some extra points for being rural, even if you are white and middle to upper income. Your grades and test scores must be even higher to get in. Not only do you have to find ways to overturn grade inflation where a 4.0 doesn't mean shite, you have to go above and beyond that with extremely high test scores and tons of civic extracurriculars.
I don't know what the current numbers are, but in the early 2000s, only 900 black high school graduates in GA qualified to get into UGA. Obviously, UGA wasn't going to get all 900 because those students all qualified for and were recruited by other top schools.
The breakdown really isn't along racial lines. It is along socioeconomic lines.
UGA also tracks the graduates of every high school. It knows exactly how a 3.5 GPA student from one school performs as compared to a 3.5 GPA from any other school at UGA, and they weigh that in the admissions process.
All of the above was discussed in one of my grad school classes in which two UGA admins were also students (one was a sitting VP, and the other was an assistant to a VP and later held a high position).
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That's a better system than A&M and Texas. We are trapped with the Top 10% rule that says any kid in the Top 10% of a HS class is admitted. Problem is the disparity is MASSIVE. The Top 30 or so Large HS's in Texas are insanely competitive and are excellent college prep schools. The Top 100 are still excellent. The State graduates about 450k kids per year though so the Top 10% of that is 45k students and most of them are from mediocre to bad HS's. So you end up with lots of kids getting in to A&M and Texas that aren't ready and get crushed combined with kids that could easily succeed at A&M or Texas not getting in (or not getting Engineering or Business) and getting lots of money to go out of state.
Posted on 9/7/22 at 10:48 pm to fareplay
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Your child is applying for colleges in SEC
If your child is applying for colleges in the SEC, save Vandy, then you are probably not a very good parent
Posted on 9/7/22 at 11:07 pm to USC2003Champs
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USC2003Champs
If your child is applying for colleges in the SEC, save Vandy, then you are probably not a very good parent
I hope you are joking, because that's some of the biggest BS I have read in quite some time.
There are a lot of bad decisions to be made by parents in their children's educational path, but very few of them are at the collegiate level concerning 18-yr olds.
Vandy is a great school. But the cost is exhorbitant. Would that make me a bad parent to want to steer my child to another school? Of course not. Your statement is patently ludicrous.
Posted on 9/7/22 at 11:14 pm to USC2003Champs
Across the SEC:
Early Career Earnings (graduates who received a bachelor’s degree):
1. Vanderbilt University* – $64,400 (private university)
2. Texas A&M University – $66,600
3. University of Florida – $55,800
4. LSU – $54,800
5(t). Auburn University – $54,400
5(t). University of Georgia – $54,400
7. University of Arkansas – $52,500
8(t). University of Missouri – $52,300
8(t). University of Alabama – $52,300
10. University of Kentucky – $51,700
11(t.). Mississippi State University – $51,100
11(t). University of Tennessee – $51,100
13. University of South Carolina – $50,300
14. University of Mississippi – $48,500
Mid-Career Earnings (graduates who received a bachelor’s degree):
1. Vanderbilt University* – $119,100 (private university)
2. Texas A&M University – $115,700
3. Auburn University – $104,500
4. LSU – $102,900
5. University of Florida – $102,800
6. University of Georgia – $100,700
7. University of Missouri – $98,600
8. University of Arkansas – $98,000
9. University of Alabama – $97,400
10. University of Kentucky – $96,400
11. University of Tennessee – $95,100
12. Mississippi State University – 94,100
13. University of South Carolina – $89,900
14. University of Mississippi – $89,100
This might be the most important statistic. The sec is really pretty even and really depends on what degree you are looking for. The advice we received that was definitely correct is go where you get the most money. My son was accepted all over but it just didn’t make sense to spend all the out of state money.
Early Career Earnings (graduates who received a bachelor’s degree):
1. Vanderbilt University* – $64,400 (private university)
2. Texas A&M University – $66,600
3. University of Florida – $55,800
4. LSU – $54,800
5(t). Auburn University – $54,400
5(t). University of Georgia – $54,400
7. University of Arkansas – $52,500
8(t). University of Missouri – $52,300
8(t). University of Alabama – $52,300
10. University of Kentucky – $51,700
11(t.). Mississippi State University – $51,100
11(t). University of Tennessee – $51,100
13. University of South Carolina – $50,300
14. University of Mississippi – $48,500
Mid-Career Earnings (graduates who received a bachelor’s degree):
1. Vanderbilt University* – $119,100 (private university)
2. Texas A&M University – $115,700
3. Auburn University – $104,500
4. LSU – $102,900
5. University of Florida – $102,800
6. University of Georgia – $100,700
7. University of Missouri – $98,600
8. University of Arkansas – $98,000
9. University of Alabama – $97,400
10. University of Kentucky – $96,400
11. University of Tennessee – $95,100
12. Mississippi State University – 94,100
13. University of South Carolina – $89,900
14. University of Mississippi – $89,100
This might be the most important statistic. The sec is really pretty even and really depends on what degree you are looking for. The advice we received that was definitely correct is go where you get the most money. My son was accepted all over but it just didn’t make sense to spend all the out of state money.
Posted on 9/7/22 at 11:15 pm to iglass
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Your statement is patently ludicrous.
Of course it’s ludicrous. I’m on a sports message board, which are made for banter. Lighten up.
Posted on 9/7/22 at 11:19 pm to Manatee
Are these career earnings adjusted for location/cost of living.
But to your point, the first three or four coincide with rankings, then it trails off. Furthermore, some of these schools Erb way more then other national schools ranked above them.
But to your point, the first three or four coincide with rankings, then it trails off. Furthermore, some of these schools Erb way more then other national schools ranked above them.
Posted on 9/7/22 at 11:45 pm to diddlydawg7
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Probably true. I know that for rich ATL kids, if you can’t get into UGA, you go to Auburn, Bama, or Tennessee, and if you can’t get into those you go to LSU, Ole Miss, or State
It's getting harder. This year's acceptance rate at Auburn was 43% (comparable to UGA now)... I read that other SEC schools are also reporting lower acceptance rates now.
Posted on 9/7/22 at 11:49 pm to AUreo
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This year's acceptance rate at Auburn was 43%
What are the out of state vs in state acceptance rates and avg scores for each. $$$ matters in higher education
Posted on 9/7/22 at 11:53 pm to Hogfan13
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Lol, I work in Aerospace. Worked with and/or for: NASA, Boeing, Lockheed, SpaceX, Blue Origin, Aerojet Rocketdyne, Rocket Lab, DARPA, and more. I've only come across a handful of Auburn grads. I've seen a lot from Georgia Tech, Purdue, Florida, LSU, Alabama, and Mississippi State.
Well, 200 Auburn engineers are working on that NASA Artemis mission (+ some Auburn University scientists), and NASA Marshall Space Flight Center Deputy Director is an Auburn grad. They even made sure that "War Eagle" "is written somewhere inside that vehicle (Artemis)"
LINK
Posted on 9/7/22 at 11:56 pm to Che Boludo
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What are the out of state vs in state acceptance rates and avg scores for each. $$$ matters in higher education
Overall GPA 4.1 and ACT 28, that's all I could find out... application numbers doubled that's the main reason, so AU has to be more selective now.
Posted on 9/7/22 at 11:59 pm to AUreo
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Auburn engineers are working on that NASA Artemis mission
2 failed launch attempts so far. Checks out
J.k. that's actually cool
Posted on 9/8/22 at 12:02 am to AUreo
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AU has to be more selective now.
That was my point. When being more "select," in state qualifiers typically fall behind out of state qualifiers to a higher % because of $$$.
It sucks but it is what it is
Posted on 9/8/22 at 12:45 am to Che Boludo
The best college is the one that allows your child to get a meaningful degree with the least amount of debt possible.
Posted on 9/8/22 at 11:38 am to iglass
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It is my understanding that he talks to a lot of engineers and technology related students who are pursuing additional business degrees and also advanced engineering degrees.
so he's in the business of placing engineering students yet has the best engineering schools in the conference in the bottom half? Makes sense
Posted on 9/8/22 at 11:39 am to aggressor
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Liberal Arts focused schools with solid B Schools
Georgia
Bama
Tennessee
Kentucky
South Carolina
Arky
Ole Miss
Tennessee has a great engineering program and ag program. Their Haslam business school is also very good. They also have a world renowned criminal forensics program. Same with speech pathology
This post was edited on 9/8/22 at 6:36 pm
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