re: Y'all can say what you want about Miles...

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that was the most pathetic display of coaching in the second half

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Did you see Miles coach against Ole Miss in 2009? Apparently not

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what about when we pulled off an impressive (physically, mentally, and in gameplan) win at ASU the week before? that wasn't a big deal?

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Huh? The defense for the most part in the ASU game didn't look that good. Again, first game under a new system. The DBs were playing way too soft in both games. As they learned the system they tightened up. Look at the defense for the rest of the season in 2005.

Look, you made a mistake on the comparison. Yes, it was a meltdown in the LSU-Tennessee game in 2005. Beyond that, there are virtually no similarities whatsoever. You can't compare the second game under a new coaching staff and the 12th game in a season with an experienced team and the same coaching staff (especially on defense) for the last several years. They just aren't comparable.

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here's a way in which they are totally similar: we totally dominated them in the first half, then did nothing at all in the second half and lost.

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But for totally different reasons. That is what you seem to be missing. LSU's defense didn't adjust to Tennessee's adjustments in the 2nd half. But that in large part was due the the newness of the defensive scheme the defense was still learning.

The only thing similar is the 2nd half meltdowns, but for very different reasons.

dude i get that they weren't identical. they were adjustment failures, which is not primarily failure on the field, as you even partially admit. what are we arguing about again?

eta- my initial comparison: blowing of halftime leads. no analysis of reasons. which was correct.

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Camp Randall

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fail on, brah.

Les Miles is the man!

To the extent we are arguing, you just can't compare the 2nd game under a new coach, with a new defense to a veteran coaching staff and veteran players in that scheme.

I do recall how angry many fans were with the meltdown at the time because they failed to consider that Pelini had installed a new defensive scheme that the players were still learning how to play in real games. There is a world of difference in the failure to make adjustments in the second game of a new regime and failure to adjust in the 12th game under a familiar system.

A better comparison might have been the UNC game this year, even though LSU won.

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ASU game, which also happened after katrina.

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The defense performed pretty miserably in that game as well for most of the game. Again, largely for the same reasons (new scheme, etc.). But they didn't have to make adjustments as they needed in the Tennessee game. In both games the defense played similarly, playing very soft on coverage. Tennessee was actually probably more talented than Arizona, but Fulmer lost the team somewhere during the season, and they just gave up. As the LSU team learned the system, the defense became one of the very best in the country.

I don't really think you can lay the blame in the Tennessee game on the coaches because of the circumstances. They took a lot of blame, but it really wasn't a fair criticism at the time.

No doubt that Cam is one of the best, not just among SEC players, but any conference, I have seen as well. I expected that Auburn would show some life in their offense in the 2nd half. Actually I was surprised by the Auburn play calling in the 1st half. But it was Bama's offense that just fell apart in a way that I wouldn't have expected.

I went snow skiing after Bama went up by 24. Came down off the mountain at the end of the day and could not believe what I saw. Unbelievable collapse by Saban et al.