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Why is there this myth of Muss as some kind of great talent developer?

Posted on 5/30/23 at 5:44 am
Posted by MackDaddyBrown
Member since Jul 2021
3921 posts
Posted on 5/30/23 at 5:44 am
Arkansas doesn't send players to the NBA. Despite having one of the highest payrolls in the league, Muss has only produced 1 first rounder and 3 second rounders since he's been at Arkansas. Texas has produced 2 first rounders and 2 second rounders in the same time period.

Arkansas's history of sending players to the league is pretty abysmal too despite them calling themselves a "blue blood". Since 2000 -- 4 first rounders ( ) and 5 second rounders. Texas has produced 15(!! !!) first rounders and 7 second rounders.

The only reason to go to Arkansas is for the bag, period. You will not get developed into an NBA prospect.
This post was edited on 5/30/23 at 5:54 am
Posted by Criticalmass
Member since Jun 2022
387 posts
Posted on 5/30/23 at 5:54 am to
And all those first round players are what’s winning Texass all those titles I guess?
Posted by MackDaddyBrown
Member since Jul 2021
3921 posts
Posted on 5/30/23 at 5:55 am to
Muss got outcoached by our interim coach
Posted by King
Deep in the backwoods
Member since Sep 2008
18515 posts
Posted on 5/30/23 at 6:20 am to
Muss is known for teaching NBA basketball IQ.
Posted by lefty08
Not in Auburn or Louisiana
Member since Aug 2014
5904 posts
Posted on 5/30/23 at 6:40 am to
I’m just glad these new guys coming into the conference don’t care about Arkansas
Posted by Sus-Scrofa
Member since Feb 2013
9748 posts
Posted on 5/30/23 at 6:44 am to
I agree, no other school should try and hire him. Leave him to rot in Fayetteville.
Posted by Mason Dixon Swine
West Finger
Member since Jan 2019
2919 posts
Posted on 5/30/23 at 6:49 am to
Quite the melt for 5:44 in the AM. Save some for the rest of the day
Posted by Hawgeye
tFlagship Brothel
Member since Jun 2009
31913 posts
Posted on 5/30/23 at 7:17 am to
At 5:44AM in the morning, all you can think about is Arkansas.

Geesh.
Posted by BowlJackson
Birmingham, AL
Member since Sep 2013
52881 posts
Posted on 5/30/23 at 7:18 am to
It’s hilarious when Arkansad fans try and prop up his NBA pedigree. Dude was a terrible NBA coach. He inherited talented teams that only got progressively worse the longer he coached them, and then got better without him after he got fired.
Posted by DuckTalesLOL
Arkansas
Member since Aug 2018
6068 posts
Posted on 5/30/23 at 7:47 am to
I mean, he was second in voting for NBA Coach of the Year to Greg Popovich…

OP, he’s about to have 2 more lottery picks this year… I think he’s doing okay.
Posted by BowlJackson
Birmingham, AL
Member since Sep 2013
52881 posts
Posted on 5/30/23 at 10:01 am to
That would sound impressive without any context. I wonder why you didn’t provide any?

Maybe bc he went 38-44 that season. He got pity votes, bc the Warriors had been a dead franchise for a decade at that point and he had them looking serviceable midway through the season. Until the late season collapse, sound familiar Arkansad fans?

Their record got worse over the next 2 seasons, and then he got fired when it became clear how much talent he had and how badly he was underachieving with it

He was so respected in the NBA that he only lasted 1 season in Sacramento on his comeback tour
Posted by ReversePiggie
In non-Arkansas US
Member since Sep 2021
3874 posts
Posted on 5/30/23 at 10:26 am to
And yet, two NBA teams hired him to coach. We don't have to "prop up his NBA pedigree". He actually has one.

Nobody is claiming he was amazing as an NBA coach, but he does have one thing going for him most college coaches don't... actual experience in the role.
Posted by wmr
North of Dickson, South of Herman's
Member since Mar 2009
32518 posts
Posted on 5/30/23 at 10:31 am to
Muss' worst season finish here so far has been a Sweet 16 (in 2020 there was no tourney).

He's doing better than anybody else in the league in the post-season right now. I understand why folks are angry about it.
Posted by Golfer1
Naples, FL
Member since Jan 2021
4923 posts
Posted on 5/30/23 at 10:35 am to
Who has your current coach developed?
Here is Muss list in his 8 years of college

Caleb Martin ( bout to get that bag)
Isiah Joe
Moses Moody
Jaylin Williams
Anthony Black
Nick Smith
Ricky Council
Jordan Walsh
I’m sure I have missed 1-2


*Thanks for Ron Holland again

This post was edited on 5/30/23 at 10:36 am
Posted by AUDevil
Somewhere
Member since Jul 2016
704 posts
Posted on 5/30/23 at 10:35 am to
Never heard of them…and I’ve heard of EVERYBODY.
Posted by Golfer1
Naples, FL
Member since Jan 2021
4923 posts
Posted on 5/30/23 at 10:38 am to
Hahahaha

Isiah Joe led the NBA in 3 point percentage this year
Martin was close to winning Eastern conference MVP
Jaylin Williams played a ton of minutes for OKC as a rookie
Moody played a ton of minutes in the playoffs for the warriors
We have two first rounders this year and two second rounders
Posted by Golfer1
Naples, FL
Member since Jan 2021
4923 posts
Posted on 5/30/23 at 10:41 am to
Bowl is so upset everyone that covers college or basketball knows Muss is a better coach than the sweat pit in Auburn. Auburn has had 1 good year in 20 years. 1 time out the first weekend in 20 years lmao
Posted by MackDaddyBrown
Member since Jul 2021
3921 posts
Posted on 5/30/23 at 10:25 pm to
quote:

Who has your current coach developed?

Our current coach ain't developing any NBA talent But no one is acting like he's going to. We're going after experienced transfers. (And it got us farther in the tournament than y'all )

quote:

Caleb Martin ( bout to get that bag)

Dude didn't do anything until he got to Miami. J Cole had a bigger impact than Muss

quote:

Isiah Joe led the NBA in 3 point percentage this year

No he didn't Luke Kennard did at 49.5% shooting. Whoever the frick Isiah Joe is shot 40.9%.

quote:

Nick Smith

12.5 PPG on 37.6% shooting at Arkansas, and you call this development?

The rest of your list is completely irrelevant. The fact that you have to highlight that Muss can produce rotation players is hilarious.
Posted by HolyBreesus13
NWA
Member since Jul 2013
37 posts
Posted on 5/30/23 at 10:27 pm to
And this is yet another reason why I can't wait to beat Texass on the regular. WPS
Posted by MackDaddyBrown
Member since Jul 2021
3921 posts
Posted on 5/30/23 at 10:36 pm to
quote:

He's doing better than anybody else in the league in the post-season right now. I understand why folks are angry about it.


If you count Texas as in the SEC, as of right now we just outperformed y'all in the tourney.

If you're considering recent performance, Beard has done better than Muss.

Rick Barnes and Calipari have sent more talent to the NBA than Muss.
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