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re: Why did Saban leave LSU?
Posted on 8/18/20 at 1:35 pm to forestwhitackersgood
Posted on 8/18/20 at 1:35 pm to forestwhitackersgood
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This... From what he says, he loved LSU(as much as Saban could love a school).
IMO, he lost the Alabama team in 2007 because of it. Bama was 6-2 going into the LSU game and 6-6 at the end of the season. I believe his love for LSU became quite apparent to the Bama players in preparing for the game, during the game, and after the game. They went on to lose the remaining three games on the schedule. Hell, he couldn't even get them up to beat Louisiana-Monroe.
And at the end of that season with it appearing that Les Miles was headed to Michigan, it is my belief that Nick Saban would have been back in Baton Rogue before Les Miles got to Ann Arbor.
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Posted on 8/18/20 at 1:52 pm to Toroballistic
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Saban wasn't the GM of the Dolphins. The GM, on the advice of their medical staff, passed on Brees.
While there was a GM, Saban had total control over football operations.
SABAN MAY SHAKE UP FRONT OFFICE
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Saban will have total control of football decisions, which puts General Manager Rick Spielman in jeopardy of being fired or losing a great deal of his power. Spielman didn't return telephone calls and was unavailable for comment.
Dolphins owner H. Wayne Huizenga said Saban will decide the fate of Spielman and Bates, who could return in his former role as defensive coordinator.
So while you are right about Nick Saban not being the GM of the Dolphins, the notion that he wasn't in control of who to sign, draft, etc, is mistaken.
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Posted on 8/18/20 at 3:16 pm to bbrownso
"Total control" in the NFL is different than "Total Control" in college.
- In college, the only limit on the talent is the number of scholarships a school can offer. A great recruiter can amass as much talent as they want. In the NFL, you have to balance the talent you want with the ability to pay for it.
- In college, there are around 20 quarterbacks coming out of HS every year that have the talent to perform at the highest level in college (assuming they end up in the right system). In the NFL, there are only about 5-7 quarterbacks in the league that perform at the highest level. Not 5-7 new ones each year; 5-7 total. Most of them are tied up in long-term contracts. You can't change your quarterback situation for the better on a whim.
That said, I think two things make Saban a better coach at Bama than he was at LSU:
1. He no longer has the wanderlust that was an underlying theme of his tenure in Baton Rouge. During whole end of the 2004 season, the ongoing talk of him leaving for Miami was a distraction he could not get away from. He kind of brought that on himself, but it was still there. He has shown no desire to leave Bama (Texas is not a better job), and that allows him to focus like he tells everyone to do. His message is more consistent with his actions.
2. Bama is way more bought into the whole Saban experience than LSU was. Don't get me wrong; LSU fans loved what Saban was getting accomplished. However, fans were tired of the NFL rumors every year. The Baton Rouge press didn't laugh when he blistered them, like the Bama press does. This fits into the culture at Bama, where whoever is the football coach has every spoken word treated as if it is from on-high, right up to the point where everyone decides the coach has to be fired. Go back and look at what Bama fans were saying about Mike Dubose in 1999, Fran in 2002, and Mike Shula in 2005. This type of "everyone on the same road" somehow makes Bama the best job in the country; where even dumb coaches like Dubose and Shula can win 10 games. Bama makes mediocre coaches good (Shula), good coaches great (Stallings) and great coaches legendary (Bryant & Saban).
I don't like any of the above, but that's the way I see it.
GEAUX TIGERS
- In college, the only limit on the talent is the number of scholarships a school can offer. A great recruiter can amass as much talent as they want. In the NFL, you have to balance the talent you want with the ability to pay for it.
- In college, there are around 20 quarterbacks coming out of HS every year that have the talent to perform at the highest level in college (assuming they end up in the right system). In the NFL, there are only about 5-7 quarterbacks in the league that perform at the highest level. Not 5-7 new ones each year; 5-7 total. Most of them are tied up in long-term contracts. You can't change your quarterback situation for the better on a whim.
That said, I think two things make Saban a better coach at Bama than he was at LSU:
1. He no longer has the wanderlust that was an underlying theme of his tenure in Baton Rouge. During whole end of the 2004 season, the ongoing talk of him leaving for Miami was a distraction he could not get away from. He kind of brought that on himself, but it was still there. He has shown no desire to leave Bama (Texas is not a better job), and that allows him to focus like he tells everyone to do. His message is more consistent with his actions.
2. Bama is way more bought into the whole Saban experience than LSU was. Don't get me wrong; LSU fans loved what Saban was getting accomplished. However, fans were tired of the NFL rumors every year. The Baton Rouge press didn't laugh when he blistered them, like the Bama press does. This fits into the culture at Bama, where whoever is the football coach has every spoken word treated as if it is from on-high, right up to the point where everyone decides the coach has to be fired. Go back and look at what Bama fans were saying about Mike Dubose in 1999, Fran in 2002, and Mike Shula in 2005. This type of "everyone on the same road" somehow makes Bama the best job in the country; where even dumb coaches like Dubose and Shula can win 10 games. Bama makes mediocre coaches good (Shula), good coaches great (Stallings) and great coaches legendary (Bryant & Saban).
I don't like any of the above, but that's the way I see it.
GEAUX TIGERS
Posted on 8/18/20 at 3:20 pm to forestwhitackersgood
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With that said, IMO, he is very happy to be at Bama... He found a place that gave him an almost unlimited amount of resources, is a blue-blood school and he stated that the support he received, from Alabama, was second to none.. He was BLOWN AWAY with the turnout for the first A-Day game and realized that he could do something special at Bama...
This may be true but insiders in the know have said Saban agreed to jump to Texas a few years ago until Mack Brown threw tantrums and killed the deal.
It’s one thing to leave a school for the NFL but it’s totally different for a lateral move to another college....
This post was edited on 8/18/20 at 3:23 pm
Posted on 8/18/20 at 4:57 pm to Lemonpuppy
He made the fatal mistake that many people do in all professions.
He didn’t understand or accept his limitations.
And he should have known.
He coached in the NFL before (not as a head coach) but he should have known what he was getting into.
Bottom line is saban needs superior talent to be “the greatest coach”.
The NFL kicked his arse.
Clemson kicked his arse.
LSU kicked his arse.
He didn’t understand or accept his limitations.
And he should have known.
He coached in the NFL before (not as a head coach) but he should have known what he was getting into.
Bottom line is saban needs superior talent to be “the greatest coach”.
The NFL kicked his arse.
Clemson kicked his arse.
LSU kicked his arse.
Posted on 8/18/20 at 5:10 pm to Rohan Gravy
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Bottom line is saban needs superior talent to be “the greatest coach”.
Come on dude, I know you're just stirring up shite, but how is that even considered a negative?
Which coach has ever had that sustained level of success with sub-par players?
Give the devil his due, he's a great coach (if not the greatest), especially considering his ability to recruit at a high level.
Posted on 8/18/20 at 5:15 pm to paperwasp
Yeah, it’s a dumb argument considering it’s part of the job of a college coach. And it’s why Saban realized college was better for him, especially at a place like Alabama that would do whatever he said to make it easier to attract the best players.
I have always said, the thing that really separates Saban is his preparation and ability to keep a team motivated. After 2007 they have only lost to really good teams. Compare him to his peers like Carroll and Meyer who always seemed to be good for at least one head scratching loss vs an average or outright bad team.
I have always said, the thing that really separates Saban is his preparation and ability to keep a team motivated. After 2007 they have only lost to really good teams. Compare him to his peers like Carroll and Meyer who always seemed to be good for at least one head scratching loss vs an average or outright bad team.
Posted on 8/18/20 at 5:17 pm to paperwasp
Agree with you.
But he no longer has superior talent.
LSU
Georgia
Clemson
Ohio State
Florida coming on
It’s getting more difficult every year for him.
It’s obvious
But he no longer has superior talent.
LSU
Georgia
Clemson
Ohio State
Florida coming on
It’s getting more difficult every year for him.
It’s obvious
Posted on 8/18/20 at 5:17 pm to Thorny
Bama demands excellence more than anyone else; Miles wouldn't have survived the 2008-09 seasons there. To this very day some of our fans still defend that dumbass
Posted on 8/18/20 at 5:24 pm to ALA2262
So many what if's regarding this. I don't believe he would've left Bama to go back to Lsu if Miles had taken the Michigan job after 07 season. He was working on the 08 #1 recruiting class that involved blue chippers like Julio,Mark Ingram,Mark Barren,Donte Hightower, Barrett Jones,Marcell Dareus, Mount Cody, Courtney Upshaw & Damien Square. No way he abandons above average talent like that as he probably knew a future Natty Championship would happen. Recruiting monster he's always been & left Miles a gold mine of talent that helped produced that 07 championship.
Posted on 8/18/20 at 5:25 pm to craigbiggio
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Yeah, it’s a dumb argument considering it’s part of the job of a college coach.
I get that Craig.
My point is other programs including LSU are catching up if not already caught up talent wise.
I am well aware of the importance of recruiting in college football.
And you are correct....bama has “given” saban everything he needs to recruit the best talent.
I love Coach I’d comment...”we do it the right way”
Posted on 8/18/20 at 5:35 pm to Magnum73
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Recruiting monster he's always been & left Miles a gold mine of talent that helped produced that 07 championship.
He wasn’t a recruiting monster till he cam to LSU.
LSU has always had talent.
LSU won three National Championships with three consecutive head coaches....
Let me know when bama does that.
Saban jumped on the LSU job knowing the talent that was available.
Posted on 8/19/20 at 2:21 pm to ALA2262
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IMO, he lost the Alabama team in 2007 because of it. Bama was 6-2 going into the LSU game and 6-6 at the end of the season. I believe his love for LSU became quite apparent to the Bama players in preparing for the game, during the game, and after the game. They went on to lose the remaining three games on the schedule. Hell, he couldn't even get them up to beat Louisiana-Monroe.
And at the end of that season with it appearing that Les Miles was headed to Michigan, it is my belief that Nick Saban would have been back in Baton Rogue before Les Miles got to Ann Arbor.
Don't know if I agree with all of that... No way in hell he would have left Bama to go back to LSU... IMO Saban loved the players that he recruited when he was at LSU but his loyalty was to Bama. It may have hurt some people's feelings to see him embracing some of the LSU players after the game but he'd built relationships with them. Saban is the best recruiter, IN HISTORY, because he is able to build relationships with recruits and their families...
IMO they feel that Saban genuinely cares and I believe he does. So if he genuinely cares about the kids that he recruited why would he not embrace them... Hell ultimately football is a game.. It's not war.
All that to say, he wouldn't have left Bama for LSU and LSU wasn't going to can Miles to get Saban back... The backlash both sides would have received would have been apocalyptic!!
Posted on 8/19/20 at 2:24 pm to Thorny
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"Total control" in the NFL is different than "Total Control" in college.
- In college, the only limit on the talent is the number of scholarships a school can offer. A great recruiter can amass as much talent as they want. In the NFL, you have to balance the talent you want with the ability to pay for it.
- In college, there are around 20 quarterbacks coming out of HS every year that have the talent to perform at the highest level in college (assuming they end up in the right system). In the NFL, there are only about 5-7 quarterbacks in the league that perform at the highest level. Not 5-7 new ones each year; 5-7 total. Most of them are tied up in long-term contracts. You can't change your quarterback situation for the better on a whim.
That said, I think two things make Saban a better coach at Bama than he was at LSU:
1. He no longer has the wanderlust that was an underlying theme of his tenure in Baton Rouge. During whole end of the 2004 season, the ongoing talk of him leaving for Miami was a distraction he could not get away from. He kind of brought that on himself, but it was still there. He has shown no desire to leave Bama (Texas is not a better job), and that allows him to focus like he tells everyone to do. His message is more consistent with his actions.
2. Bama is way more bought into the whole Saban experience than LSU was. Don't get me wrong; LSU fans loved what Saban was getting accomplished. However, fans were tired of the NFL rumors every year. The Baton Rouge press didn't laugh when he blistered them, like the Bama press does. This fits into the culture at Bama, where whoever is the football coach has every spoken word treated as if it is from on-high, right up to the point where everyone decides the coach has to be fired. Go back and look at what Bama fans were saying about Mike Dubose in 1999, Fran in 2002, and Mike Shula in 2005. This type of "everyone on the same road" somehow makes Bama the best job in the country; where even dumb coaches like Dubose and Shula can win 10 games. Bama makes mediocre coaches good (Shula), good coaches great (Stallings) and great coaches legendary (Bryant & Saban).
I don't like any of the above, but that's the way I see it.
GEAUX TIGERS
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Posted on 8/19/20 at 4:01 pm to Lemonpuppy
It’s my understanding that he didn’t care for gumbo...
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