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re: Why can't Mississippi State win a national championship?
Posted on 2/1/12 at 3:47 pm to Tds & Beer
Posted on 2/1/12 at 3:47 pm to Tds & Beer
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We won the championship in '41 but no one gave it to us.
Which championship? Because MSU went 8-1-1 in '41.
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Posted on 2/1/12 at 3:49 pm to BamaFan89
and won the SEC and beat the 8-2 Bama team that claims a championship.
Posted on 2/1/12 at 3:49 pm to BamaFan89
Bama claims a Natl Championship that year as well. What was their record? And who won between Bama and State that year?
This post was edited on 2/1/12 at 3:51 pm
Posted on 2/1/12 at 3:50 pm to Tds & Beer
It wasn't an insult. I just remember reading about it and it saying yall had won an award for the best in the nation (something to do with cows). I said I was serious so it wouldn't be taken as a flame.
Posted on 2/1/12 at 3:51 pm to OBReb6
word. I guess when I saw that post and then saw your sig pic(which is hilarious), I assumed it was an insult.
This post was edited on 2/1/12 at 3:52 pm
Posted on 2/1/12 at 3:55 pm to sharpSee
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Bama claims a Natl Championship that year as well.
Awesome. That still doesn't mean MSU was the champ.
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What was their record?
9-2
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And who won between Bama and State that year?
Congrats on one of your 18 total victories over Bama.
FTR: I use cfbdatawarehouse as my source on championships, and it doesn't list MSU with any.
This post was edited on 2/1/12 at 3:58 pm
Posted on 2/1/12 at 3:56 pm to BamaFan89
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Which championship? Because MSU went 8-1-1 in '41.
Well Alabama claims 1941 as a NC, while ya'll went 8-2. MSU went undefeated that year in the SEC, with a 14-0 victory AT ALABAMA. Finished ahead of Alabama in the AP poll. Our only loss was to a top 10 team on the road.
Also MSU went 10-0-1 in 1940, undefeated in SEC, won the Orange Bowl, but still finished 9th in the Polls, behind teams such as Northwestern (6-2) Nebraska (8-2) Texas A&M (9-1) Tennessee (9-1). All of those teams got a share of the 1940 title, and MSU didn't, while we were more deserving. We could actually claim 2 titles, but for some reason don't. I wish we would to be honest.
Posted on 2/1/12 at 3:58 pm to I Ham That I Ham
Nice flagship avitar.
This post was edited on 2/1/12 at 3:59 pm
Posted on 2/1/12 at 4:00 pm to deltaland
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Well Alabama claims 1941 as a NC
Again, this doesn't mean that MSU is the champ for that year.
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while ya'll went 8-2.
We were 9-2 that year, we won our bowl game.
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MSU went undefeated that year in the SEC, with a 14-0 victory AT ALABAMA. Finished ahead of Alabama in the AP poll. Our only loss was to a top 10 team on the road.
Awesome. You know who finished at #1 in the AP poll? Hint: It wasn't MSU.
quote:Cool story.
Also MSU went 10-0-1 in 1940, undefeated in SEC, won the Orange Bowl, but still finished 9th in the Polls, behind teams such as Northwestern (6-2) Nebraska (8-2) Texas A&M (9-1) Tennessee (9-1).
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All of those teams got a share of the 1940 title, and MSU didn't, while we were more deserving. We could actually claim 2 titles, but for some reason don't. I wish we would to be honest.
Why? Because you finished 9th in the AP poll?
This post was edited on 2/1/12 at 4:04 pm
Posted on 2/1/12 at 4:03 pm to BamaFan89
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Well Alabama claims 1941 as a NC
Again, this doesn't mean that MSU is the champ for that year.
doesn't make alabama either
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while ya'll went 8-2.
We were 9-2 that year, we won our bowl game.
you still lost to us and had a worse record
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Awesome. You know who finished at #1 in the AP poll? Hint: It wasn't MSU
which is why we don't claim it
Posted on 2/1/12 at 4:05 pm to BamaFan89
If Bama claims the championship for a year,any year, first they have the championship rights to that year. Too bad MSU...
Posted on 2/1/12 at 4:06 pm to Tds & Beer
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doesn't make alabama either
Where did I say it does?
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you still lost to us and had a worse record
Again, congrats on one our your 18 total victories over Alabama.
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which is why we don't claim it
I don't claim that Bama was the champ that year, feel better? It doesn't change the fact that MSU wasn't the '41 champ.
Posted on 2/1/12 at 4:07 pm to BamaFan89
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Why? Because you finished 9th in the AP poll?
Apparently you didn't get the point. We finished 9th, yes, but had a better record than the teams that finished ahead of us, and we won the Orange Bowl. We basically got screwed in the rankings.
Posted on 2/1/12 at 4:07 pm to Herman Frisco
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If Bama claims the championship for a year,any year, first they have the championship rights to that year. Too bad MSU...
Still mad?
Posted on 2/1/12 at 4:07 pm to BamaFan89
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FTR: I use cfbdatawarehouse as my source on championships, and it doesn't list MSU with any.
So obviously you recognize Arkansas' 1964 National Championship.
Posted on 2/1/12 at 4:10 pm to deltaland
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We finished 9th, yes, but had a better record than the teams that finished ahead of us
No, you didn't. Three of the teams that finished ahead of MSU that year were undefeated.
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We basically got screwed in the rankings
Maybe, but that doesn't make you champions.
Posted on 2/1/12 at 4:11 pm to TheCheshireHog
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So obviously you recognize Arkansas' 1964 National Championship
They list us both as '64 champions, but Bama does have the trophy so
Posted on 2/1/12 at 4:12 pm to TheCheshireHog
Fwiw my point is just that MSU has a just as good, if not better, argument as other teams to claim a NC for either the 1940 or 1941 seasons. People want to flame MSU for having never won a NC, when in fact we had 2 teams good enough to claim one, we just chose not to claim one.
Posted on 2/1/12 at 4:12 pm to BamaFan89
If Arkansas being champs in '64 isn't recognized by most fans, I don't think MSU in 1940 or 41 has much of a chance.
Posted on 2/1/12 at 4:17 pm to I Ham That I Ham
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If Arkansas being champs in '64 isn't recognized by most fans, I don't think MSU in 1940 or 41 has much of a chance.
Arky at least finished #2 in the coaches and AP poll for '64. MSU finshed 9th in '40 and 16th in '41 in the AP poll.
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