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re: Who's Arky's biggest rival?
Posted on 7/7/10 at 7:16 pm to Daigeaux
Posted on 7/7/10 at 7:16 pm to Daigeaux
quote:Yeah, I love both games, but I see no value in either trophy.
What SHOULD happen with the boot is that the loser should have to take it. With that, and the intense games LSU and Arkansas have played the past few seasons, the game might actually become the rivalry everyone wants. The loser should have to take the freaking boot....It would be different...
As far as the magnolia twat, Ole Miss can just keep that thing....it's stupid. LSU nor Ole Miss needs that dumb arse trophy to prove to anyone that it's a rivalry game.
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Posted on 7/7/10 at 7:34 pm to xiv
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...or the fact that Texas is 56-21 vs. Arkansas. Hard to argue with them on that, honestly. Even since my birth, it's 10-6 Texas, which isn't particularly even.
Those numbers do look very one-sided. But if you look at the last 10 years or so, it's even. That's pretty darn good when you consider the resources Texas has at their disposal. They should NEVER lose to Arkansas. But you're right, 56-21 is rather indicative of a one-sided rivalry. Of course, Bama's history hasn't been all that great versus Texas either, I don't think. Neither has LSU's if I'm remembering right.
Posted on 7/7/10 at 7:35 pm to xiv
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I'm with you on that. Being from West Monroe, Little Rock is about a 3-hour trip for me when I go. No knock on Fayetteville, but I don't want to make a trip that far for Thanksgiving weekend. I'm sure Razorback Stadium is way better than WMS, but the fields are the same size. I'm there to see a game, not to have a state-of-the-art cushion under my arse and a drink holder in my seat.
This is exactly why the game should be in Fayetteville. We make it easier for LSU fans to have a presence in the stadium. We make it convenient for them.
Posted on 7/7/10 at 7:37 pm to ocelot4ark
quote:Well it's 2-2 in the last 10 years. Can't get more even than that.
Those numbers do look very one-sided. But if you look at the last 10 years or so, it's even.
Posted on 7/7/10 at 7:39 pm to ocelot4ark
quote:Actually, you're making it convenient for Arkansas. It's my understanding that state legislative pressure (if not outright legislation) forces the Hogs to play two games in Little Rock (and rightfully so--the city of Little Rock MADE Arkansas football). The LSU game is a no-brainer; you're not guaranteed a big crowd for Thanksgiving weekend, so if you want to have your higher-earning games at Razorback Stadium. It has nothing to do with how easy/hard it is for LSU fans to get to the game.
This is exactly why the game should be in Fayetteville. We make it easier for LSU fans to have a presence in the stadium. We make it convenient for them.
Posted on 7/7/10 at 8:02 pm to xiv
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Actually, you're making it convenient for Arkansas. It's my understanding that state legislative pressure (if not outright legislation) forces the Hogs to play two games in Little Rock (and rightfully so--the city of Little Rock MADE Arkansas football). The LSU game is a no-brainer; you're not guaranteed a big crowd for Thanksgiving weekend, so if you want to have your higher-earning games at Razorback Stadium. It has nothing to do with how easy/hard it is for LSU fans to get to the game.
There's no legislation requiring the game to be played in LR. It's played there for a variety of reasons...none of which are good.
You don't think what has been our most competitive SEC series of the last decade, versus one of the most prestigious programs in the South would draw a good crowd in Fayetteville? Seriously? It makes absolutely no BUSINESS sense to play ANY games in LR, all things being equal (taking out the completely indeterminate donor consequences). We lose big time money every time we play a game in LR. We pay f'ing RENT to play a home game.
But if we're stuck in that model and we HAVE to play 2 games in LR, there's a very easy way to maximize attendance and profits. All SEC games in Fayetteville. 2 rent-a-wins in LR. 55K will always show up for those games in LR. The demand for those tickets MIGHT be more than 55, but not AS much as the demand for LSU, MSU, SC or any other the other LR rotations would be.
So you get guaranteed sellouts, virtually, in LR no matter what you do. it's a simple supply/demand issue. As long as capacity is roughly equivalent to Allen high school, the high profile games should be in Fayetteville. 20K+ more people can/will show up for all big games in Fayetteville. And, like you said, the next 10 years look like they're going to be pretty enticing for Hog faithful.
Posted on 7/7/10 at 8:09 pm to xiv
Oh...and...
Into what? "One of the most overrated football programs in history?" We haven't won a championship in almost 50 years and even that one is debatable.
And LR "made" jack shite. LR "made" their biggest mistake of all time around 1870.
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the city of Little Rock MADE Arkansas football
Into what? "One of the most overrated football programs in history?" We haven't won a championship in almost 50 years and even that one is debatable.
And LR "made" jack shite. LR "made" their biggest mistake of all time around 1870.
Posted on 7/7/10 at 8:14 pm to ocelot4ark
Great, the GSD has now made it to tiger droppings.
Posted on 7/7/10 at 8:15 pm to TTsTowel
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But seriously, who's Arky's biggest rival in the SEC?
This may sound odd but I would submit Arkansas fans fight more with themselves than any other fanbase. While that is not technically a rivalry but Arkansas fans have been fighting amongst themselves for decades (Lou Holtz, Frank Broyles, Ken Hatfield, Nolan, Hootie, and the biggest of them all, the GSD, et al.).
Posted on 7/7/10 at 8:15 pm to ocelot4ark
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And LR "made" jack shite. LR "made" their biggest mistake of all time around 1870.
Arkansas lost out big time by not putting the capitol in Roseville.
Posted on 7/7/10 at 8:23 pm to DaleDenton
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Great, the GSD has now made it to tiger droppings.
I know you're new here, but the GSD is not.
Posted on 7/7/10 at 8:24 pm to ocelot4ark
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I know you're new here, but the GSD is not.
I'm pretty sure the GSD predates man's inventions of fire and the wheel...
Posted on 7/7/10 at 8:48 pm to DaleDenton
To get this back on topic...I pretty much hate all of the SEC West except maybe State. I guest I hate the corn dogs from the chemical plant just on the far side of the river, the gumps, and of course West Georgia Polytechnical. I don't like Ole Miss very much right now, but in three years that won't be nearly as true as the current statistical anomaly irons itself out.
Posted on 7/8/10 at 3:34 pm to ocelot4ark
quote:Funny--that's exactly what I said.
You don't think what has been our most competitive SEC series of the last decade, versus one of the most prestigious programs in the South would draw a good crowd in Fayetteville? Seriously?
Was WMS packed?
1994 - no
1996 - no
1998 - no
2000 - no (and this was the game that made Arkansas bowl eligible)
2002 - yes
2004 - no
2006 - yes
2008 - yes
If it becomes an especially hard ticket, then perhaps it will change. But, I was at the 2002 and 2006 games, and though the stadium was packed, it wasn't hard to get a ticket. WMS holds 53K; DWRRS holds 76K. My guess is that the 2002 and 2006 games would still be packed since the Hogs ended up the SECW champs those years. 2008? Probably not.
Arkansas' AD must agree with me, and they're a really smart group--it's a great, progressive department. I wouldn't expect LSU to play in Fayetteville anytime soon.
Posted on 7/8/10 at 3:36 pm to ocelot4ark
quote:Having games in Little Rock allowed more access to the media; that was big in the decades when OU, UT, OM, and LSU were much bigger than Arky. Little Rock allowed the Hogs to stay afloat.
Into what? "One of the most overrated football programs in history?" We haven't won a championship in almost 50 years and even that one is debatable.
Posted on 7/8/10 at 4:00 pm to xiv
I think its Ark. Little Rock
Posted on 7/8/10 at 4:05 pm to xiv
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Funny--that's exactly what I said.
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If it becomes an especially hard ticket, then perhaps it will change. But, I was at the 2002 and 2006 games, and though the stadium was packed, it wasn't hard to get a ticket. WMS holds 53K; DWRRS holds 76K. My guess is that the 2002 and 2006 games would still be packed since the Hogs ended up the SECW champs those years. 2008? Probably not.
where are you getting your numbers?
2008 attendance: LINK
in 2008, the final two fayetteville games had attendance of 74k and 70k.
the game against LSU would've easily matched the 70k that came out for an OOC game against Tulsa.
Most likely it would top the 74k that came out for a game against Ole Miss considering LSU is the final game of the season and always a great match-up. It is hard for me to imagine it wouldn't be at least damn close to selling out.
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Arkansas' AD must agree with me, and they're a really smart group--it's a great, progressive department. I wouldn't expect LSU to play in Fayetteville anytime soon.
just because they continue games in LR doesn't mean they do so because they don't think Fayettevile will sell out.
maybe they do it because the LR donors like to swing their dicks around (i.e. Stephens) and pout and threaten that if LR games are pulled, they'll stop donating, and for the foundation the LR donations offset the loss of revenue from selling out Fayetteville.
Posted on 7/8/10 at 4:37 pm to WaveHog
quote:I was there for a few of the games; for the other games, I just checked the attendance in the box scores on lsusports.net.
where are you getting your numbers?
quote:Agree completely. My point is that the LSU game is the most likely to not sell 76K. Let's be honest here--Arkansas begins virtually every season with realistic hopes of winning the West, and usually by the LSU game, those hopes are dashed. When it's Thanksgiving, and the only thing you have to play for is Liberty vs. Cotton, the game can be less compelling than spending the weekend with your family elsewhere. And considering that only three of the eight LSU/Arkansas games that have been held in Little Rock have been sellouts, it becomes a risk to put the game in Fayetteville in lieu of another game earlier in the season that is a sure sellout when the Hogs still have some hope.
just because they continue games in LR doesn't mean they do so because they don't think Fayettevile will sell out.
Posted on 7/8/10 at 5:20 pm to xiv
LR games made more sense 20 years ago.
NWA as a metro is about 500k people now.
Its not exactly the sticks.
NWA as a metro is about 500k people now.
Its not exactly the sticks.
Posted on 7/8/10 at 7:14 pm to xiv
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Having games in Little Rock allowed more access to the media;
Someone correct me if I'm wrong but Fayetteville didn't have lights at Razorback stadium for the longest time. They weren't needed. Believe it or not, a lot of schools were like that. Almost all the games were played in the daytime hours. Night "home" games were in L.R. or played at "away" locations that had lights. I don't think Fayetteville had lights until maybe the mid to late 70's. There were no lights there in the early 70's that I remember.
Also, the stadiums were similar in size for a very long time. L.R. might have even had an edge there too. Razorback stadium was not very impressive when I was in school there. Times have changed. Stadiums have too.
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that was big in the decades when OU, UT, OM, and LSU were much bigger than Arky. Little Rock allowed the Hogs to stay afloat.
Those schools you mentioned never had much "bigger" programs, if at all. But L.R. did play a big part in Arkansas' statewide and out of state popularity because it helped make the games more easily accessible. Until the mid 60's/early 70's, traveling to Fayetteville from the south via highways was a nightmare. There was hardly any interstate road access north of Little Rock and the roads were terrible. There was only intermittent access in the early 70s. The interstate roads were still under construction. I remember.
This post was edited on 7/8/10 at 8:15 pm
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