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Posted on 3/11/18 at 9:23 pm to TheGasMan
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Running into a buzzsaw of a CofC team
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Charleston by 12.
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Additionally, Riller >> Anyone on Auburn.
Posted on 3/11/18 at 9:25 pm to ThaiTiger24
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Wtf does this even mean???
It means that either Bruce Pearl sexed his wife, or Chris Denson gave his daughter the BBC and now hating Pearl or Auburn gives him a weird hard on.
Posted on 3/11/18 at 9:36 pm to BowlJackson
UK easily..but I think they can go on a run still.
Posted on 3/11/18 at 9:39 pm to TigerCruise
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Bama is in a rough spot too
Bama is where they deserve to be. They could avoided the 8/9 seed if they didn't shite the bed in the last 5 games. Not to mention some of the other games they dropped.
Posted on 3/11/18 at 9:52 pm to bcoop199
As far as 8/9 seeds go, Mizzou got about as good a draw as you could hope for
Posted on 3/11/18 at 10:12 pm to GalvoAg
A&M is lucky to get in.
Posted on 3/11/18 at 10:13 pm to ThaiTiger24
Kentucky
Posted on 3/11/18 at 10:50 pm to tWildcat
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Us, but we knew it was gonna happen before the selections were announced. Three power 5 tournament champions in the upper half of our bracket
UK got a tough draw. They didn't, however, get screwed, no matter how much Cal whines. They finished with double-digit losses. The teams that got actually got screwed were the ones in the top half of the bracket.
Posted on 3/11/18 at 11:07 pm to randomways
Not a SEC team, but anyone see that Kansas is playing Penn? Penn is much closer to the #13/14 seed teams in both ESPN BPI + KenPom rankings. Not only that, Penn's strengths aren't good signs for Kansas
-Penn is #2 nationally in 3FG% defense and is #10 in Defensive Rebound %
-Kansas is #42 nationally in % of pts from 3FG and is #297 in def reb%/ #161 in off reb%
-Kansas best rebounder + shot blocker has also missed past 3 games with a sprained MCL and may miss the game if not be severely limited
Not saying Kansas has something to fear, but this is the shittiest draw by a #1 seed I've ever seen
-Penn is #2 nationally in 3FG% defense and is #10 in Defensive Rebound %
-Kansas is #42 nationally in % of pts from 3FG and is #297 in def reb%/ #161 in off reb%
-Kansas best rebounder + shot blocker has also missed past 3 games with a sprained MCL and may miss the game if not be severely limited
Not saying Kansas has something to fear, but this is the shittiest draw by a #1 seed I've ever seen
This post was edited on 3/11/18 at 11:11 pm
Posted on 3/11/18 at 11:11 pm to GenesChin
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Not a SEC team, but anyone see that Kansas is playing Penn?
Penn is #2 nationally in 3FG% defense and is #10 in Defensive Rebound %
Kansas is #42 nationally in % of pts from 3FG and is #297 in def reb%/ #161 in off reb%
Kansas best rebounder + shot blocker has also missed past 3 games with a sprained MCL and may miss the game if not be severely limited
Called it earlier
Posted on 3/11/18 at 11:27 pm to randomways
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They didn't, however, get screwed, no matter how much Cal whines.
It seems like every year UK has something really weird in the first 1-2 rounds with their seeds or matchups
- '17 Wichita KenPom/BPI top 10 team wwas seeded at #10 I think
- '16 UK was a #4 at 26-8 SEC Champ/SECT Champs while much lower KenPom/BPI teams TAMU got the #3 seed, Xavier (27-5) #2 seed, Miami (25-7) #3 seed. Then they get to play a under-seeded Indiana in middle of Big10 country Des Moines Iowa
- '15 UK as #1 seed gets paired w #8 UCincinatti RD2 in Louisville KY. Giving a #8 a matchup in their own backyard (Cincy is a stones throw from Luisville) is pretty rough
-'14 UK is ridiculously underseeded at #8
Posted on 3/11/18 at 11:27 pm to TheGasMan
I think AU caught a break. COC then maybe Clemson. They can easily go to the Sweet 16 if they get hot from outside.
This post was edited on 3/11/18 at 11:33 pm
Posted on 3/11/18 at 11:29 pm to pioneerbasketball
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Called it earlier
Ya, they got criminally underseeded. Nearly every predictive ranking has them ballparking the 12-14 seeds well ahead of other 15-16 seeds
The fact that Kansas may be missing their only competent option at C only makes the matchup worse. Kansas wasn't a good rebounding team before losing him, he's the only regular player who had good O/D rebound%s on their team
Posted on 3/11/18 at 11:33 pm to tWildcat
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Us, but we knew it was gonna happen before the selections were announced. Three power 5 tournament champions in the upper half of our bracket
Not only that, but having to go to Boise. Part of the UK mystique is the home atmosphere the fan base gives them. It’s tough to ask them to make that trip though. I know plenty will still make the journey, but the locale might cut into that advantage somewhat.
Posted on 3/12/18 at 12:06 am to GenesChin
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Not a SEC team, but anyone see that Kansas is playing Penn? Penn is much closer to the #13/14 seed teams in both ESPN BPI + KenPom rankings. Not only that, Penn's strengths aren't good signs for Kansas
-Penn is #2 nationally in 3FG% defense and is #10 in Defensive Rebound %
-Kansas is #42 nationally in % of pts from 3FG and is #297 in def reb%/ #161 in off reb%
-Kansas best rebounder + shot blocker has also missed past 3 games with a sprained MCL and may miss the game if not be severely limited
Not saying Kansas has something to fear, but this is the shittiest draw by a #1 seed I've ever seen
It's a thing, pitting a low seed Ivy against a top seed. Teams like Georgetown, UCLA, UNC, Arkansas, and,of course, Kentucky have danced with an early exit this way. Princeton is the classic case, but Penn and Harvard have gotten their licks in too. The most famous is probably Georgetown barely escaping Princeton as a one seed. This was back when the Big East vied with the ACC for best conference in the land. I honestly feel no sympathy whatsoever if they struggle with teams that don't even offer athletic schollies to play basketball. These teams literally have no scholarship athletes on their rosters.
Fun fact: one of Cal's UMass teams barely escaped Penn in the first round back in the '90s. I think it was one of their Marcus Camby teams.
Posted on 3/12/18 at 12:16 am to randomways
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I honestly feel no sympathy whatsoever if they struggle with teams that don't even offer athletic schollies to play basketball. These teams literally have no scholarship athletes on their rosters.
They have scholarship athletes, they just are on "need based" or "academic" scholarships not technically "athletic". I knew a guy who was a recruited athlete at Yale and booster clubs + need based paid for his entire education
Any good Ivy basketball team doesn't have kids paying for school. Or at least they aren't paying a lot for school
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It's a thing, pitting a low seed Ivy against a top seed.
This isn't just underseeding, this is giving Kansas a godawful matchup. Of the #1 seeds, they would have the biggest problem with Penn's strengths
Posted on 3/12/18 at 12:29 am to GenesChin
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They have scholarship athletes
They don't, actually. I picked that exact phrase for a reason. They do offer academic scholarships and financial aid for those in need, but don't,and can't, alter their admissions (very much, anyway) precisely for that reason. It's not quite the same as places like Duke, Stanford, and Vandy, where athletic scholarships are offered with the understanding that athletes aren't necessarily being held to the same standards that someone on an academic scholarship would be. If the Ivies did, they could become serious powerhouses, like Duke, because there are very few more prestigious degrees than the Ivies. Parents would be fighting each other on the streets to get their kids into Harvard or Princeton.
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This isn't just underseeding, this is giving Kansas a godawful matchup. Of the #1 seeds, they would have the biggest problem with Penn's strengths
I suspect the selection committee didn't analyze the match-up in nearly as much detail as you did. I doubt they checked Penn's three-point shooting and measured it against KU's strengths. And the loss of a player could just as easily mean KU is now overseeded more than Penn is underseeded. But the only teams that ever complain about overseeding are the really whiny ones that get 4-5 seeds and want to bitch about being in that section of the bracket, and even most of them have better sense that to actually complain.
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Posted on 3/12/18 at 2:54 am to randomways
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They don't, actually. I picked that exact phrase for a reason
They don't have athletic scholarships, they absolutely have scholarship athletes. Any student on scholarship whether needs based or academic is a "scholarship athlete" by definition, just not an athletic scholarship athlete
I've known a number of athletes who were promised significant financial scholarship (aka you won't worry about $ here) incentives to play sports in the Ivy League under the guise of "financial aid" or "academic merit." They recruit with financial incentives just like everyone else, it just is a little harder for them
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but don't,and can't, alter their admissions (very much, anyway) precisely for that reason.
They absolutely do alter admissions and it can at times be in significant ways.
The system generally works by placing recruits/players into segmented academic achievement bands, the schools will then impose limitations on the coach for number of kids recruited who are in the lower academic bands
Coaches are very well connected in the admissions department in the Ivy League schools
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If the Ivies did, they could become serious powerhouses
First, Ivy League schools have zero desire to be powerhouses and will never be powerhouses because their administration will never prioritize athletics above academics in the macro
Their "no athletic scholarship" rule is self imposed.
Second, the Ivy League is at a disadvantage admissions/financial aid wise but my point is it isn't remotely as big a disadvantage as their "no athletic scholarship" narrative suggests
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I suspect the selection committee didn't analyze the match-up in nearly as much detail as you did. I doubt they checked Penn's three-point shooting and measured it against KU's strengths. And the loss of a player could just as easily mean KU is now overseeded more than Penn is underseeded. But the only teams that ever complain about overseeding are the really whiny ones that get 4-5 seeds and want to bitch about being in that section of the bracket, and even most of them have better sense that to actually complain.
I don't think the committee was out to screw Kansas. They just underseeded a team and happened to put it on Kansas' lap
Doesn't change that Kansas got shafted with this matchup that they actually will have to spend extra time preparing/focusing on rather than looking to the next game.
This post was edited on 3/12/18 at 2:55 am
Posted on 3/12/18 at 6:45 am to GenesChin
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'15 UK as #1 seed gets paired w #8 UCincinatti RD2 in Louisville KY. Giving a #8 a matchup in their own backyard (Cincy is a stones throw from Luisville) is pretty rough
Lol, uk complaining about playing in louisville...whining brought to a new level.
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