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re: Which other football program do you see as most similar to yours?
Posted on 3/9/10 at 4:14 pm to NJReb
Posted on 3/9/10 at 4:14 pm to NJReb
Graduation rates should not be part of the ranking. They're good to have, but are not indicative whatsoever of on the field success. I'd like to see the formula they used to derive such a list as well.
I believe the tiers I posted earlier are pretty much the consensus of most in terms of historical prestige.
I believe the tiers I posted earlier are pretty much the consensus of most in terms of historical prestige.
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Posted on 3/9/10 at 4:15 pm to Draconian Sanctions
LSU = Penn State/Cal/UGA
Alabama = Oklahoma = USC
Michigan, Notre Dame and Texas are on a level of their own
Alabama = Oklahoma = USC
Michigan, Notre Dame and Texas are on a level of their own
Posted on 3/9/10 at 4:16 pm to NJReb
I would rank it more like this.
Alabama
rest of SEC
Alabama
rest of SEC
Posted on 3/9/10 at 4:17 pm to molsusports
To the guy that said "no team matches Bama's dominance at the peak Bryant years"......get the frick over yourself.
No Bama period was as dominant as UT's '38-40. And thats just in the SEC.
OU's '53-56 streak is unmatched in college football. ND's '46-'49 is right there with it.
And some of you Bama fans putting yourself above ND and USC and OU in terms of history make me LMAO.
No Bama period was as dominant as UT's '38-40. And thats just in the SEC.
OU's '53-56 streak is unmatched in college football. ND's '46-'49 is right there with it.
And some of you Bama fans putting yourself above ND and USC and OU in terms of history make me LMAO.
Posted on 3/9/10 at 4:17 pm to molsusports
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I think probably it goes alabama and then UT... although if LSU won another NC they start to have an argument on the basis of recent success as well as historical
I dunno what you do with Florida... decent in the 80s, really emerged in the 90s to mostly dominate teh SEC but only one NC... two in this decade... I think you clearly have to rank them behind LSU and UGA and then wonder how to compare them to Auburn overall
Agree with the bottom six as they are ranked tho
I wasn't trying to rank the teams individually. Rather, I was merely ranking tiers. I just edited for how I feel individual historical success should be ranked.
Posted on 3/9/10 at 4:19 pm to Rohan2Reed
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Michigan, Notre Dame and Texas are on a level of their own
Texas?
I can see some people arguing Michigan even tho they have like one national championship in the last how many decades... but Texas?
If you mean historically great schools from the north then I'd see a strong comparison with Michigan and Notre Dame... not bad regarding recruiting issues either... but overall I dunno how that fits with texas in any way
not sure where you're coming from with Cal/LSU either really
Posted on 3/9/10 at 4:20 pm to lowspark12
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Of the teams steet&smith listed as better programs than Auburn, Auburn has a winning record against 4 of them -- Tennessee, Georgia, Florida State, and Georgia Tech. I'll take actual victories over what some sportswriter thinks.
Can't use just one criterion.
For example, Ole Miss has just about broken even with LSU in head-to-head play in the last 20 years.....LSU has won 11 times and Ole Miss has won 9.....
.....BUT LSU has won several SEC championships and two (albeit bogus
) "national championships" during that time, so there is no way you could say that Ole Miss has, all things considered, been LSU's equal during that time, even though the on-the-field record would lead you to believe that we have....Posted on 3/9/10 at 4:20 pm to molsusports
Texas and Cal were winning MNCs before Alabama
ETA: so were LSU and Auburn for that matter
ETA: so were LSU and Auburn for that matter
This post was edited on 3/9/10 at 4:21 pm
Posted on 3/9/10 at 4:21 pm to molsusports
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not sure where you're coming from with Cal/LSU either really
+1
Posted on 3/9/10 at 4:22 pm to Volmanac
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No Bama period was as dominant as UT's '38-40. And thats just in the SEC
I disagree. I think Alabama's run from 1924-1926 was just as impressive. Very few teams scored on us, we went to the Rose Bowl twice, and we have just as many losses in that 3 year period as Tennessee did in the one that you just mentioned.
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OU's '53-56 streak is unmatched in college football. ND's '46-'49 is right there with it.
Agreed.
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And some of you Bama fans putting yourself above ND and USC and OU in terms of history make me LMAO.
Alabama does have quite the argument themselves. The Tide has been to more bowl games than anyone, they have the second most bowl victories, they are tied for the most number of national championships awarded by major wire services, and they have historically dominated what most consider is the best conference in all of college football.
Posted on 3/9/10 at 4:23 pm to NJReb
Is this list that you are swearing by compiled via a formula or is it subjective while gathering data from multiple stat sheets.
BTW, graduation rates should not be considered in the criteria to rank historical success.
BTW, graduation rates should not be considered in the criteria to rank historical success.
Posted on 3/9/10 at 4:23 pm to tiger perry
CAL
All-time record 624–476–51 (.564)
Postseason bowl record 10–8–1
Claimed national titles 5
Conference titles 14
LSU
All-time record 711–387–47 (.641)
Postseason bowl record 21–18–1
Claimed national titles 3
Conference titles 13
All-time record 624–476–51 (.564)
Postseason bowl record 10–8–1
Claimed national titles 5
Conference titles 14
LSU
All-time record 711–387–47 (.641)
Postseason bowl record 21–18–1
Claimed national titles 3
Conference titles 13
This post was edited on 3/9/10 at 4:24 pm
Posted on 3/9/10 at 4:23 pm to atomdawg
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Go blow yourself up! Bama's won the most NC in NCAA history you frickin retard!
uh huh. I could have sworn Princeton or somebody had like 16 that they claim.
This post was edited on 3/9/10 at 4:24 pm
Posted on 3/9/10 at 4:24 pm to Rohan2Reed
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Texas and Cal were winning MNCs before Alabama
ETA: so were LSU and Auburn for that matter
If you go by the poll era then sure. But football was being played before 1936. Alabama has been a brand name since before Texas, Cal, LSU, and Auburn. You would be a fool to agree otherwise.
Posted on 3/9/10 at 4:25 pm to RollTide1987
Auburn had a lot of success before 1936, FWIW. Like, we could claim national titles for some of those years; we just opted not to.
Posted on 3/9/10 at 4:25 pm to Ross
pay no attention to this guy. he's a complete flaming douche who's stated on dawgrant that he only comes to TD.com to frick with people.
Posted on 3/9/10 at 4:25 pm to RollTide1987
I don't feel like looking it up, but does UT 38-40 include the season where we only gave up one touchdown and two or three FG's.
Posted on 3/9/10 at 4:25 pm to NJReb
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For example, Ole Miss has just about broken even with LSU in head-to-head play in the last 20 years.....LSU has won 11 times and Ole Miss has won 9.....
.....BUT LSU has won several SEC championships and two (albeit bogus ) "national championships" during that time, so there is no way you could say that Ole Miss has, all things considered, been LSU's equal during that time, even though the on-the-field record would lead you to believe that we have....
it's a travesty that Ole Miss isn't considered LSU's equal really. After all Ole Miss is rightfully in the discussion for best team in the SEC and the nation during the 00s
LSU fans find it embarrassing we weren't better than 7-3 this decade against Ole Miss
Posted on 3/9/10 at 4:26 pm to atomdawg
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oh yeah.... forgot about those guys thanks
It's not just them. I'm pretty sure other schools claim they have 13+.
ETA: Dayum. According to wikipedia Princeton claims 28 national titles and Yale claims 26.
This post was edited on 3/9/10 at 4:28 pm
Posted on 3/9/10 at 4:26 pm to RollTide1987
Alabama does have quite the argument themselves.
a) Notre Dame did not allow its team to participate in bowl games for most of its history
b) Pac Ten teams traditionally never went to any bowl except the Rose Bowl
c) The SEC has not ALWAYS been the strongest conference in college football--that has only been the case since desegregation and has not been the case every year even in recent history....
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The Tide has been to more bowl games than anyone, they have the second most bowl victories, they are tied for the most number of national championships awarded by major wire services, and they have historically dominated what most consider is the best conference in all of college football.
a) Notre Dame did not allow its team to participate in bowl games for most of its history
b) Pac Ten teams traditionally never went to any bowl except the Rose Bowl
c) The SEC has not ALWAYS been the strongest conference in college football--that has only been the case since desegregation and has not been the case every year even in recent history....
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