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Posted on 6/20/12 at 6:45 am to genro
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This isn't Minority Report. We don't punish people for potential future crimes.
This is true. You punish them on their initial crime so hopefully they will learn a lesson.
Posted on 6/20/12 at 6:52 am to PurpleandGold Motown
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Probation
What are the terms exactly? 'Harvey, don't poison anything for the next 5 years or you're really gonna be in trouble'
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community service
He claims to be in bad physical health, so that would take community service off the table.
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restitution
He's dirt poor, no way he can come close to paying the cost of something like this.
Jail time is required in my opinion for several reasons. A) He's a dumbfrick that can't see the consequences of his actions. B) Whether or not the trees die, he still broke the law by applying the poison. C) If he get's off without serving some sort of jail time, it opens the door for something like this to happen again (likely one of our crazies doing something really stupid in Ttown in retaliation)
I vote for a semi-creative punishment. Since fines and community service are off the table for him, a couple years in a cell seems reasonable enough to satisfy both sides. Then a ban (if that's possible) from the cities of Auburn and Tuscaloosa, and a ban from any UA athletic function (I would think UA has already done this).
Posted on 6/20/12 at 6:54 am to allin2010
quote:Um...no.
Now we are getting somewhere... So you admit he should get some prison time for an inanimate object
quote:Does not compute.
so can we also agree that he should get a LOT more for a live object?
quote:Affected fans. Didn't hurt them in any tangible way.
Seems like someone spreading poison at the Quad that affects thousands of fans which are not inanimate objects should also garner punishment.
This post was edited on 6/20/12 at 6:55 am
Posted on 6/20/12 at 6:59 am to Aubie83
quote:Haha, whatever dude. In the beginning I was apologetic and embarrassed this happened. I've got old posts from months ago that show this. (I don't feel like searching for them now) But all the AU insanity and severe overreaction has jaded me and I just don't feel sorry for y'all anymore.
Dude you have made it plain that you are a fan of Harvey...you don't have to keep defending him....everyone knows.
Some redneck did a stupid thing and killed some trees that people like to throw toilet paper on. The trees were important to people. It sucks, but get over it. No human beings have been hurt. They're trees.
Posted on 6/20/12 at 7:00 am to genro
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genro
genro running circles around you dumbasses
Just kidding, you fricking idiot.
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But all the AU insanity and severe overreaction
In a land of divisive ideologies, this just means you got over it quicker than people who attached actual sentimental value to it would.
You can think what you want about the hyperbole of the internet but the guy broke laws with extreme mal-intent. Believe it or not, society has laws in place to prosecute and imprison like this so don't turn your nose up and roll your eyes all the sudden because your hero Harvey is having to face the music.
This post was edited on 6/20/12 at 7:03 am
Posted on 6/20/12 at 7:06 am to RockyMtnTigerWDE
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Die by poison, he is a murderer.
Oh..
I hadn't heard the trees died
Posted on 6/20/12 at 7:09 am to Swoopin
So you don't think the death penalty for someone who killed 2 trees is a severe overreaction? That's been suggested by your own brethren in this very thread and many others.
He's facing more jail time than people who are convicted of assault/rape/vehicular manslaughter often receive. You know, crimes, where actual human beings get harmed. Don't you see how ridiculous that is?
Notice the other posters who are not AU/Bama fans - those without a dog in this fight. They have the same basic idea I do - fine, contribution to Auburn in some way, public shaming, probation, etc etc. It's only AU fans who want him to do hard time. Doesn't that tell you something?
He's facing more jail time than people who are convicted of assault/rape/vehicular manslaughter often receive. You know, crimes, where actual human beings get harmed. Don't you see how ridiculous that is?
Notice the other posters who are not AU/Bama fans - those without a dog in this fight. They have the same basic idea I do - fine, contribution to Auburn in some way, public shaming, probation, etc etc. It's only AU fans who want him to do hard time. Doesn't that tell you something?
This post was edited on 6/20/12 at 7:17 am
Posted on 6/20/12 at 7:11 am to 10888bge
Probation with 500 hours community work service - to be served as an advocate for Auburn. The only time left in the spotlight should be advocating for that which he despises - it'll be all he's remembered for in the future.
Oh, and if he fails - put his arse in the poky.
Oh, and if he fails - put his arse in the poky.
Posted on 6/20/12 at 7:14 am to blacknblu
Why are ppl not affiliated with AU so invested in this?
They seem to have a bigger issue with Harvey and his punishment than we do.
Yes, they are just trees...but they are not your trees so dont worry about them. HArvey and his actions only concern AU...so everyone elses opinion is irrelevant.
They seem to have a bigger issue with Harvey and his punishment than we do.
Yes, they are just trees...but they are not your trees so dont worry about them. HArvey and his actions only concern AU...so everyone elses opinion is irrelevant.
Posted on 6/20/12 at 7:18 am to 10888bge
A LOT of community service and house arrest for 1 year.
Posted on 6/20/12 at 7:21 am to ugasickem
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A LOT of community service and trailer arrest for 1 year.
Posted on 6/20/12 at 7:23 am to allin2010
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The dude is mentally sick so he needs to go to a mental hospital. he should stay there until the Bama in him is reduced to a safe level.
In all honesty, this is probably the correct answer.
Posted on 6/20/12 at 7:24 am to ugasickem
I say serve time, but make it a house arrest as stated above. I don't think the State of Alabama should have to pay to house him in Jail when he can just be stuck with an ankle bracelet for a year or 2.
1 year house arrest
1-2 years probation (unable to go to any college campus)
lots of community service if he isn't dead by the end of the 1 year house arrest.
1 year house arrest
1-2 years probation (unable to go to any college campus)
lots of community service if he isn't dead by the end of the 1 year house arrest.
This post was edited on 6/20/12 at 7:29 am
Posted on 6/20/12 at 7:24 am to genro
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He's facing more jail time than people who are convicted of assault/rape/vehicular manslaughter often receive
Nice verb change. Helps make the statement possible.
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So you don't think the death penalty for someone who killed 2 trees is a severe overreaction?
The difference between you and I is that you're taking these statements seriously.
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Notice the other posters who are not AU/Bama fans - those without a dog in this fight. They have the same basic idea I do - fine, contribution to Auburn in some way, public shaming, probation, etc etc. It's only AU fans who want him to do hard time. Doesn't that tell you something?
NEWS FLASH EVERYONE: Appreciation for the trees is not universal
The problem that you exemplify and is not rare is that you were initially in shock and ashamed that someone did this in your fanbase's name. Then, when the controversy didn't pass as quickly as you liked, rather than further alienate the perpetrator, you take some ridiculous partisan line that only strengthens Harvey's tie to your fanbase.
The fact that you even admitted you have a dog in the fight is a self fulfilling prophecy. If you just let this piece of shite face his consequences for desecrating 100+ year old monuments/icons for a population then I doubt we'd even be discussing it in the context of sports.
But you're taking the wrong path by hoping he gets off easy, which is telling. If you and many other posters didn't seem so interested in mocking Auburn fans through this, then it would not reflect on your fanbase at all.
Think about it.
This post was edited on 6/20/12 at 7:26 am
Posted on 6/20/12 at 7:27 am to parkjas2001
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Why are ppl not affiliated with AU so invested in this?
I actually DGAF. It's 7:30 on a Wednesday, and I'd rather post on this thread than work right now.
Posted on 6/20/12 at 7:28 am to Kevua
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I don't think the State of Alabama should have to pay to house him in Jail when he can just be stuck with an ankle bracelet for a year or 2.
1 year house arrest
2 years probation (unable to go to any college campus)
This is exactely what needs to happen.
I am not a resident of the state of Alabnama but I would find it a slap in the face as an AU alum if my tax dollars went to fund his prison cell.
Posted on 6/20/12 at 7:28 am to Swoopin
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Believe it or not, society has laws in place to prosecute and imprison like this so don't turn your nose up and roll your eyes all the sudden because your hero Harvey is having to face the music.
And rapists and murderers get let go on good behavior. You AU fans are delusional for wanting him to serve jail time for this. Jails are overcrowded as it is.
Posted on 6/20/12 at 7:29 am to genro
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Haha, whatever dude. In the beginning I was apologetic and embarrassed this happened. I've got old posts from months ago that show this. (I don't feel like searching for them now) But all the AU insanity and severe overreaction has jaded me and I just don't feel sorry for y'all anymore.
Some redneck did a stupid thing and killed some trees that people like to throw toilet paper on. The trees were important to people. It sucks, but get over it. No human beings have been hurt. They're trees.
Seems to describe a lot of Bama fans as of late. Something has to be done to stop the insanity with this fanbase.
Posted on 6/20/12 at 7:30 am to blacknblu
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I actually DGAF. It's 7:30 on a Wednesday, and I'd rather post on this thread than work right now.
At least you are honest!
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