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re: What can Auburn fans tell me about this guy?

Posted on 11/19/10 at 10:34 pm to
Posted by LOYALBAMA
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Posted on 11/19/10 at 10:34 pm to
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Got a link to that quote on anything OTHER than a message board or facebook?


USA Today ok?

LINK
Posted by Alahunter
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Posted on 11/19/10 at 10:37 pm to
Posted by LOYALBAMA
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Posted on 11/19/10 at 10:48 pm to
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What about answering what I asked!



ESPN - ABC

You may need to search for the interview they are quoting from by Paul Davis @ Opilika News

but what you will probably find is....Sorry, that article is no longer available. View Current Articles - News
This post was edited on 11/19/10 at 10:55 pm
Posted by Vince
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Posted on 11/19/10 at 11:24 pm to
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USA Today ok?


quote:

ESPN - ABC


Actually, neither of those mentioned
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Although Bowden admits to allowing Hall to honor payment agreements reached with existing players


So, no those links didn't quite support the initial quote.

Care to try again?
Posted by Alahunter
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Posted on 11/19/10 at 11:31 pm to
Here's a nice article on Lowder and Auburn. BTW, why do you suppose they continued to pay Hall hush money?

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LINK


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When Tommy Tuberville was lured away from Mississippi before the 1999 season, Auburn was still paying off four ex-football coaches -- head coaches Pat Dye and Terry Bowden, along with defensive coordinators Wayne Hall and "Brother" Bill Oliver.
Posted by LOYALBAMA
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Posted on 11/20/10 at 12:30 am to
Your link no work for me. Try this.............

LINK
Posted by LOYALBAMA
bham
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Posted on 11/20/10 at 12:35 am to
What can Auburn fans tell me about this guy?

--------------------------------------------
BOARD OF TRUSTEES 2002
------------------------------
EARLON C. MCWHORTER
1117 Glenwood Terrace
Anniston, AL 36207
256/238-8545
(At-large; appointed by Gov. Don Siegelman; term expires January 2008)
Higher Education: Auburn University, B.S., Building Science,
Current Professional/Business Title: President, CEO & Founder of
McWhorter and Co., Inc.

---------------------------------------
-2002-
Athletic Committee:
James W. Rane
Robert E. Lowder
Lowell R. Barron
The Rev. Byron P. Franklin Sr.
Earlon C. McWhorter
W. James Samford Jr.
Dennis Wilson, faculty representative (ex-officio, non-voting)

----------------------------
Present Day -
link to his web site-
LINK


This post was edited on 11/20/10 at 12:42 am
Posted by Vince
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Posted on 11/20/10 at 12:43 am to
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why do you suppose they continued to pay Hall hush money?


His wife told me it was to keep him from going to another SEC or in-state school - kind of a non-compete agreement.
This post was edited on 11/20/10 at 12:44 am
Posted by LOYALBAMA
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Posted on 11/20/10 at 12:48 am to
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So, no those links didn't quite support the initial quote. Care to try again?



You may need to search for the interview they are quoting from by Paul Davis @ Opilika News

but what you will probably find is....
quote:

Sorry, that article is no longer available. View Current Articles - News

This post was edited on 11/20/10 at 12:50 am
Posted by BamaChick
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Posted on 11/20/10 at 1:10 am to
Hmmm, while looking for the Bowden interview, I found this piece by Paul Davis from October 28th of this year.

Doesn't have anything to do with Cam but there are some serious shenanigans going on in Auburn.

LINK

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State Rep. Mike Hubbard of Auburn - how do you say it?? Mike Hubbard didn't tell the truth — no, err, Mike Hubbard misspoke, or didn’t understand the question, or something got confused, or lost in translation.

It happened when he insinuated to Joe Mcadory, an editor for the Opelika-Auburn News, for a front-page story, that only a couple of Republican legislative candidates from around the state had purchased advertising services and printing from his companies.

He said having only two Republican candidates use his companies was nominal.

Well, I’m not buying it, not the number of candidates or the number of dollars.

Hubbard is a powerful man, a rising star in the party who has his eye on becoming speaker of the Alabama House of Representatives. He heads the State Republican Party and is the minority leader in the Alabama House.

Since he became Republican Party chairman in February 2007, he has paid from party funds $176,826 directly to his own companies.

Huge payments to Craftmaster Printers date back to the days when the company was nearly bankrupt. He is a major Craftmaster stockholder, along with former AU Coach Pat Dye.

Since 2002, his companies have received at least $1,494,566 from the coffers of the State Republican Party.

Additional Republican Party funds monies flowed to candidates, and then to Hubbard companies and are not a part of total cited. He has made millions by using his connections, some of which seem questionable, at best. He has cut his deals with Auburn University, as a legislator and as chairman of the Alabama Republican Party.

His most lucrative venture thus far has been the acquisition of the exclusive no-bid contract to handle all of Auburn University's broadcast and television rights. They include all printing for Auburn sports and Auburn merchandising for sports. The deal he negotiated is worth millions and it was all worked, for the most part, in secret; a deal surely not made in heaven, but made with the assistance of the University's most powerful trustee, banker Bobby Lowder, and the most willing help of another key member of the board.

The University had decided to put out a request for proposals on the broadcast rights. Several companies made proposals, with Hubbard's offering millions less to the University. Media companies guarantee a fixed amount of cash to universities for broadcast rights. The media companies make their money by selling TV and radio advertising, commercials signage, selling millions of dollars worth of Auburn merchandise and then add profits from printing all sports related materials.

Hubbard had all the necessary ingredients. He had his radio stations and massive state-of-the-art German-made Heidelberg presses. But he was still offering so much less than the highest bidder, Host Communications, that it looked like the lawmaker–entrepreneur might just lose everything if he didn’t get to retain his no-bid contract.

Despite his success in getting thousands upon thousands of dollars from the state for doing some of its printing, he was also raking in even more thousands printing Auburn’s football programs and other things related to Auburn sports — basketball, baseball —everything.

In 2003, he sold his multi-media sports division to International Sports Properties, but continues to serve as president of ISP’s Auburn project. Craftmaster is still doing all of AU’s sports related printing, although payments come from International Sports Properties. Hubbard represents ISP for the rights to corporate sponsorships, radio and television programs, publishing, printing, marketing, internet services, national advertising, signing and many other lifestyle and event marketing platforms.

His radio station is also used heavily for AU marketing outside the realm of sports.

As head of the AU Network for ISP he is given for each home game 547 football tickets, 100 reserved parking places, plus the use of two or three football stadium skyboxes. He also gets six seats on chartered aircraft for each away game. Although he campaigns against gambling, he and his associates worked out a plan this season to sell a large block of stadium advertising to the Creek Indians' Wind Creek Casino & Hotel in Atmore.

Today, he also may be on the short list of the names of Auburns multi–millionaires. He is in his third term as a member of the Alabama House of Representatives. And he appears close to his goal of having his Republican friends take over the Alabama Legislature where Republicans have played second fiddle for more than 130 years. He's been a vital part of a masterful plan by the Republicans to take back the statehouse.

He's had a lot of help along the way. It was but a few years ago that he gave me a call and pleaded with me to write a column exposing how the rich and powerful on the Auburn University Board of Trustees and some bankers (Lowder) were out to ruin him.

He told the same story to almost anybody who would listen. He told me he was about to lose his media business, his home and almost everything else he cherished due to attacks from others seeking to bring him down.

I agreed to do the column because the same people who were attacking him were also making my life rather miserable, as I had described in the newspapers the dirty deals which had put Auburn University on probation and almost led it to loss of its accreditation. He wanted the inside scoop published.

Gov. Riley had to step in to save the University loss of accreditation.

I think it was just one day after his first call to me, that Hubbard called me back and said he did not want me to write the column. I told him it was rather difficult to put toothpaste back in the tube. He insinuated that he would deny quotes which I was going to attribute to him. I backed down because it would have been one of those "he said, she said" confrontations. I chose not to follow through.
Posted by BamaChick
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Posted on 11/20/10 at 1:11 am to
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I don't intend to make that mistake again.

I now have firm pledges from people in high places and with close ties to the University who confirm that Hubbard, at one point, was in trouble with those in power, namely trustee Bobby Lowder, who was then owner of one of the largest banks in the South.

His bank, Colonial, has since been seized by the federal government.

Here's the scenario to which insiders are willing to swear to and have signed their names to:

On several occasions and in private, secret meetings with Hubbard in his office and other places during late 2001 and the early part of 2002 the proposals submitted to the Auburn Athletics Department for the broadcasting rights were being questioned.

Hubbard pleaded his case and his need for help from high places and stated that his business would be in shambles and he would be facing financial ruin if he was unable to keep his contract with Auburn. Details of those meetings are mentioned in e-mails. I have copies. And the sworn oaths. I have tapes.

Hubbard complained that the athletics department had never asked for proposals prior to this time and he believed the athletics director (then David Housel) was attempting to sever Auburn’s relationship with his company, The Auburn Network.

Soon after those discussions and others, an emissary delivered Hubbard's competitors’ proposals early in the review process and prior to any decision being made by the athletics director. The emissary says he believes the athletic director and a campus review committee were unaware that Hubbard had an advantage over the other companies because he had closely and secretly reviewed their proposals.

“Hubbard told me that having his competitors’ proposals allowed him to clarify/amend his proposal and he also sought to raise doubts within Auburn Athletics Department about the other companies, specifically, Host Communications. He indicated Host was in financial trouble. Hubbard told me that he had discussions with an Auburn trustee and that later he got a call from the trustee (Lowder) telling him that he would get the contract. The proposal process soon came to an abrupt stop and the Auburn Network was given the contract," one source for this column said.

Lowder at one time owned a radio station in Montgomery, WLWI, which had the exclusive broadcast rights to all AU sports. Lowder received considerable criticism for alleged conflict of interest in that he owned the station and sat on the Board of Trustees, a post he has held for more than a quarter of a century. He also chaired the University’s Athletics Committee, a position which added even more pressure by the Southern Association of Colleges and Schools, Auburn’s accrediting agency. He controlled AU sports and much of the University. He hired and fired coaches. Check with Terry Bowden and Tommy Tuberville.

Hubbard eventually purchased a cheap and weak little radio station, earlier known as WJH0 and located in Opelika. Its signal was so weak you couldn’t pick up a clear signal in some parts of Auburn. And he got the broadcast rights from Lowder.

Hubbard quickly jazzed up the station in its new Auburn headquarters and led it into a period of phenomenal growth as The Auburn Network, Inc.

Huge money, I mean millions of dollars, began to flow after he acquired Lowder’s exclusive broadcast and TV rights. Renewed criticism did, too.

Trustees came under even more pressure, deciding that they might make a few million additional dollars for the athletics department by seeking proposals from other companies for the broadcast and telecast rights.

Those proposals rolled in and the fight for the contract rolled on, even more heated than ever.

An advisory panel was set up on campus to look into the situation. Hubbard’s proposal did not even closely provide the extra dollars that the University expected. Those other proposals were from Host Communications, International Sports Properties (ISP) and Hubbard’s Auburn Network.

When the proposals came in and the numbers were on the table before the committee, Hubbard went berserk. Host Communications, offered a whopping $12.5 million, millions more than Hubbard.

At that point, Hubbard started seeking out friends in high places and anyone else he thought might be able to help him keep his sports contract. That’s also the time he called me.

He was almost tearful when we talked, saying over and over again that he was going to lose his home and his business.

He found a few allies, including one or more sympathetic ears among the trustees. Hubbard badly needed to make a thorough analysis of the other proposals. He, at the time, was on the outs with Lowder and he knew it. He even sought help from those at or near the top in the Athletics Department to find out what he had done to offend Lowder. And he wanted a sneak peak at the proposals offered by his competitors.

A University trustee offered to help. The trustee bundled up in a large manila envelope all the proposals from the companies involved, put them in the hands of an emissary, who personally delivered them to Hubbard for his review and to aid him in preparing a modified proposal.

The delivery was made to Hubbard in mid-morning. A secretary/receptionist showed the document-laden courier to Hubbard’s office. Hubbard was delighted about getting the proposals made by his competitors, agreeing that the delivery would be kept confidential. Hubbard, in suit and tie, had a pile of paperwork on his desk. His workload was increasing. He expressed his thanks for the assistance. With all the other proposals in hand, Hubbard reworked his offer in a last-ditch effort to keep the contract, his growing business and his home.

The new agreement was negotiated with Hubbard. The amended proposal went before a campus committee and, odd as it may seem, Hubbard's proposal was accepted, even though it still was not the most favorable to the University. It was most favorable to Hubbard.
Posted by BamaChick
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Posted on 11/20/10 at 1:12 am to
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Auburn lost, it appears on paper, $789,000 per year or $3.945 million over the term of the five-year deal. Moreover, Host also offered to guarantee an increase of $100,000 annually to AU compared to Hubbard’s $25,000. Other studies have shown that the University lost between $4 and $7 million by dealing with Hubbard.

Hubbard’s contract was the major issue in one of his re-election bids, but he won easily. And he won again in 2006 when Athletics Director Jay Jacobs said AU was extending its contract for nine years. The first contract ended in 2007.

Hubbard made sure that would happen. He helped steer through the Alabama Legislature in 2000 a bill that exempted the athletics, food services and transportation departments from Alabama’s competitive bid laws. Another line in that new law allowed schools to extend their no-bids-required contract for 10 years. Hubbard did not sponsor this bill (It was introduced by George Clay of Macon County) and Hubbard actually abstained on the first vote. (He also made sure to have the House clerk insert in the official journal that he had abstained to avoid the appearance of a conflict of interest.)

When the controversial bill was amended, it was returned to a conference committee. Hubbard was named to that committee where the final version, shaped in his favor, was approved. Hubbard voted for the bill in conference and on final passage as it became law. He didn’t seem to be worried about a conflict of interest this time around.

Sen. Ted Little, also of Auburn, refused to sign off on the Hubbard-approved bill and voted against it while in the conference committee and on final passage.

Hubbard sold his company to ISP in 2003, after winning approval of changes in the law which would make the contract he was selling, gilded in gold, as precious as diamonds and as hard to break as steel. It was tailor-made for ISP.

Along the way he had to work extra hard to find a cure for the cancer that was growing inside the walls of Craftmaster. It was barely clinging to life. Hubbard knew that Auburn University was preparing to get out of the printing business. Sensing a business opportunity, he decided to jump into the printing business. Hubbard and friends moved rather quickly to purchase the printing company which had gotten a little too big for its britches, having moved into a huge new building and purchasing the best printing equipment on the market.

With just a year of legislative experience under his belt, he partnered with others to buy Craftmaster even though it was on the brink of bankruptcy. Hubbard's group apparently hoped that the printing company would win more business quickly, especially with Hubbard's ties with the state and the University.

In 2004, they incorporated Craftmaster Holdings Inc. which became the whole owner of Craftmaster Printers, Inc. Despite all the opportunities facing him with all his contacts, the company couldn't move quickly enough to right the foundering ship. Craftmaster filed for bankruptcy protection in March 2005 in the U.S. Bankruptcy Court in Montgomery.

In its filing, Craftmaster listed assets of about $1.4 million and liabilities of $3.4 million. Among the liabilities, according to court records, were a $1.7 million debt to the Heidelberg group in Germany for some of its top-of-the-line presses, $444,000 of a $756,000 loan from Southeastern Commercial Financial LLC of Birmingham and $4.8 million to Auburn bank.

The bank had threatened to sue Craftmaster before finally settling for $3.1 million, according to court records.

Craftmaster also received a break from one of its creditors — Heidelberg — which forgave $1.323 million in principal and/or interest.

Heidelberg arranged the financing through Print Finance, a British company. That action allowed the Auburn printer to revise its books for 2004 to show a net income for that year of $400,000.

Bobby Lowder's Colonial Bank also played a key role in keeping Craftmaster afloat during some of its most troubling times between December 1, 2004, and the December 31, 2004, Craftmaster had more than $800,000 in a Colonial Bank account, using it to meet payroll and other expenses.

In October 2004, Hubbard formed Swann investments LLC, a corporation which included former AU Coach Pat Dye, Opelika Mayor Gary Fuller and Ike Scott of Opelika, a major highway and bridge contractor.

Later that year Hubbard and his partners began transferring major assets from Craftmaster Printers to Swann Investments LLC, Craftmaster buildings and all printing equipment. Then they leased back to Craftmaster its building and equipment.

Few details on any of these moves, such as being able to review all the other proposals, have ever been made public. Hubbard was paid handsomely by ISP for the broadcast right and was hired as ISP’s Auburn president.

It’s nice to have friends in high places.

(Paul Davis is owner of The Tuskegee News. He can be reached at Paul_Davis@charter.net )
Posted by BamaChick
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Posted on 11/20/10 at 1:20 am to
Here are some media stories that support the original statement

ESPN

Saint Petersburg Times

Deseret News

Another ESPN

Posted by Vince
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Posted on 11/20/10 at 1:41 am to
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Here are some media stories that support the original statement

ESPN

Saint Petersburg Times

Deseret News

Another ESPN


No, you still haven't provided anything that states what was quoted in the original message:

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Although Bowden admits to allowing Hall to honor payment agreements reached with existing players


This is what I want to see published on something other than a message board or facebook account!

I know you're Bama fans, but is that so hard to comprehend?

PS: Nice work finding the dirt on Hubbard, but if you look at the link, it is in the papers "opinion" section which does tend to relieve the writer and publication of liability - not that I doubt the facts presented in the article.
Posted by BamaChick
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Posted on 11/20/10 at 1:57 am to
The writer of the piece on Hubbard is the same one who did the Terry Bowden interview on 2001.

Here's a blog that cites the article - LINK

quote:

Bowden said he learned of the major NCAA infractions within days of being named Auburn ’s head coach, but kept quiet while trying to clean up the program from within.” I broke the rules,” Bowden said. “I told Wayne Hall to pay it off to the players we already had and it will never happen again.


And I don't know if this is legit or not but it is interesting - SACS Investigation Report

The web address for the above is from ocm.auburn.edu which is the site for the Auburn University Office of Communications and Marketing.
Posted by Vince
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Posted on 11/20/10 at 3:01 am to
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The writer of the piece on Hubbard is the same one who did the Terry Bowden interview on 2001.

Here's a blog that cites the article - LINK


Thanks for searching, but a privately registered blog won't serve the purpose of my inquiry, especially when there is pre-existing prejudice of the ownerships validity.
Posted by Z1959
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Posted on 11/20/10 at 7:43 am to
Could you possibly be speaking of another McWhorter?

LINK
Posted by Z1959
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Posted on 11/20/10 at 7:49 am to
What can Auburn fans tell me about this guy?

--------------------------------------------
BOARD OF TRUSTEES 2002
------------------------------
EARLON C. MCWHORTER
1117 Glenwood Terrace
Anniston, AL 36207
256/238-8545
(At-large; appointed by Gov. Don Siegelman; term expires January 2008)
Higher Education: Auburn University, B.S., Building Science,
Current Professional/Business Title: President, CEO & Founder of
McWhorter and Co., Inc.

LINK
Posted by PJinAtl
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Posted on 11/20/10 at 7:55 am to
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implements a "coup" of the Athletic Administration. He has Muse replaced with David Housel, someone to act more as a puppet controlled by Lowder
Not sure where this quote came from (unless it was Tuna's post) but unless my mind is extremely faulty there is some major bad info in that line.

To my knowledge there has never been a Muse in the AD position at Auburn. William Muse was Auburn president during the Ramsey affair and resigned in 2000 or 2001.

When Dye was replaced as AD the school brought in Mike Lude, who ad been president of the Blockbuster Bowl. Lude was eventually replaced by Housel.
Posted by Shankopotomus
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Posted on 11/20/10 at 8:09 am to
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Not to mention the man could not recruit, and the only reason he had those two good seasons was Dye's recruits...


is this not hilarious to anyone else?? Of course he couldn't recruit as well as Dye-he refused to pay for play!

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