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Posted on 12/29/25 at 8:10 am to 3down10
Posted on 12/29/25 at 8:10 am to 3down10
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Over Walkers career I think he played a total of 5 ranked teams and lost 3 of them.
1980:
#14 South Carolina W 13-10
#20 Florida W 26-21
#7 ND W 17-10
1981:
#8 Pittsburgh L 20-24
I would also say that Georgia played unranked Clemson and lost 13-3 and Clemson ended the season winning the National Championship.
1982:
#11 Clemson W 13-7
#20 Florida W 44-0
#2 Penn State L 23-27 (Penn State National Champions)
7 Ranked teams record: 5-2
quote:Well, Georgia has 4 so....
Nebraska who has won 5 national championships , then Georgia ain't shite.
(Be careful before claiming Georgia can only claim 3 because 1942 was not AP, (it was consensus) I count 6 claimed titles by Alabama that were not AP)
quote:This is such a lame trope that Alabama fans repeat to make themselves feel better. It is as if Saban was the very first coach to think, "I know! I'll build my team around a strong running game and great defense! What a novel idea!"
And you're doing well now under Kirby because he copied the Alabama program,
Kirby Smart did build around great running game and strong defense, but the difference was recruiting.
I think you missed the entire point of his thread. I took it to mean that these are schools that either have done well and have slipped back to mediocrity with little hope of climbing back up, or schools that are currently doing well
but are in danger of slipping beck to mediocrity.
I don't think he was crapping on other teams so much as thinking of a counterpoint to the sleeping giant thread in order to spark conversation.
Maybe he was crapping on other teams, but that is not where my mind automatically goes.
You have not taken Georgia's emergence well.
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Posted on 12/29/25 at 8:32 am to 3down10
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Your 1980 title was one of the weakest schedules to ever to win a national championship,
1980 Georgia played 3 ranked teams. 1979 Alabama played 3 ranked teams.
Alabama teams were ranked #6, #14 and #18
Georgia teams were ranked #7,#14, #20
Looks pretty equal to me.
Posted on 12/29/25 at 8:33 am to GoldenDawg
Auburn - agree. Capable of occasionally catching lightning in a bottle, but historical norms/averages are their reality. They like to talk about how NIL will hurt Bama/others and benefit them because it takes away cheating advantage given how “clean” their program is…lol. But they are the only SEC team to not have a winning season post NIL.
Tennessee - I want to agree, but not sure I can. Maybe consider them as a sleeping short guy instead of a midget. They are on the outskirts/within a reasonable travel time of recruiting hotbeds and have the commitment to compete. But they will never return to their 1950’ era heyday. A team that has been hurt by Alabama and Georgias resurgence and the changing landscape of the game.
Nebraska - at one point they were a legit blue blood. But changing demographics and recruiting landscapes have damaged them…possibly permanently. But I still wonder if they are just the right coach away from returning to prominence. Status— to be determined.
Ole Miss - agree.
Clemson - disagree. They have recruiting resources and financial commitment to always have the potential to make a run with the right coach. I don’t ever see them being a dominant player, but they can compete and occasionally win championships. Also, they have been hurt by Georgia’s recruiting.
Tennessee - I want to agree, but not sure I can. Maybe consider them as a sleeping short guy instead of a midget. They are on the outskirts/within a reasonable travel time of recruiting hotbeds and have the commitment to compete. But they will never return to their 1950’ era heyday. A team that has been hurt by Alabama and Georgias resurgence and the changing landscape of the game.
Nebraska - at one point they were a legit blue blood. But changing demographics and recruiting landscapes have damaged them…possibly permanently. But I still wonder if they are just the right coach away from returning to prominence. Status— to be determined.
Ole Miss - agree.
Clemson - disagree. They have recruiting resources and financial commitment to always have the potential to make a run with the right coach. I don’t ever see them being a dominant player, but they can compete and occasionally win championships. Also, they have been hurt by Georgia’s recruiting.
Posted on 12/29/25 at 8:42 am to MrMojoRisin
I can agree with this. 
As for Nebraska...many people feel once you are a Blue Blood you cannot lose that status. I do believe you can lose it...eventually, and i tend to think Nebraska is at least on the verge of losing it if they have not already lost it.
I would almost wish they would regain it, as i remember seeing many of their great teams with powerful OLines and stout defenses.
As for Nebraska...many people feel once you are a Blue Blood you cannot lose that status. I do believe you can lose it...eventually, and i tend to think Nebraska is at least on the verge of losing it if they have not already lost it.
I would almost wish they would regain it, as i remember seeing many of their great teams with powerful OLines and stout defenses.
Posted on 12/29/25 at 8:56 am to DawgsLife
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As for Nebraska...many people feel once you are a Blue Blood you cannot lose that status. I do believe you can lose it...eventually, and i tend to think Nebraska is at least on the verge of losing it if they have not already lost it. I would almost wish they would regain it, as i remember seeing many of their great teams with powerful OLines and stout defenses.
Agree. It would be fun (to me) to see a strong Nebraska team again. But if anyone can lose blue blood status in the course of a couple of decades, it’s Nebraska. They went from dominance in the 90s (played for 4 championships, won 3) and have not sniffed anything since. Combination of coaching changes, other teams catching up in strength/conditioning* and changing recruiting landscape. I don’t see it changing absent them hiring a Saban type though. Too many disadvantages now.
*as pointed out earlier in this thread, Nebraska revolutionized strength programs. They were once the best in the game.
Posted on 12/29/25 at 9:42 am to MrMojoRisin
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*as pointed out earlier in this thread, Nebraska revolutionized strength programs. They were once the best in the game.
Big, strong cornfed midwestern boys mixed with a strong weight & conditioning program.
Posted on 12/29/25 at 9:51 am to DawgsLife
Big, strong cornfed midwestern boys mixed with a strong weight & conditioning program.
Nebraska’s walk ons deserve a ton of credit too. Tjere were no roster limits and oline is the hardest position to evaluate. They handed any lineman who wanted to play tjere a scholly. Stick em in the strength program then run off the scrubs. It was a very effective system.
Nebraska’s walk ons deserve a ton of credit too. Tjere were no roster limits and oline is the hardest position to evaluate. They handed any lineman who wanted to play tjere a scholly. Stick em in the strength program then run off the scrubs. It was a very effective system.
Posted on 12/29/25 at 11:23 am to DawgsLife
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1980:
#14 South Carolina W 13-10
#20 Florida W 26-21
#7 ND W 17-10
Those are time of game rankings, meaning they were over-rated. Notre Dame is the only team that finished ranked at #9.
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1981:
#8 Pittsburgh L 20-24
I would also say that Georgia played unranked Clemson and lost 13-3 and Clemson ended the season winning the National Championship.
Clemson was the only ranked team Georgia played in 1981, and Georgia lost.
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1982:
#11 Clemson W 13-7
#20 Florida W 44-0
#2 Penn State L 23-27 (Penn State National Champions)
Florida did not finish ranked.
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7 Ranked teams record: 5-2
Wrong.
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Well, Georgia has 4 so....
(Be careful before claiming Georgia can only claim 3 because 1942 was not AP, (it was consensus) I count 6 claimed titles by Alabama that were not AP)
You did not win the NC in 1942, you finished #2
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This is such a lame trope that Alabama fans repeat to make themselves feel better. It is as if Saban was the very first coach to think, "I know! I'll build my team around a strong running game and great defense! What a novel idea!"
Kirby Smart did build around great running game and strong defense, but the difference was recruiting.
I think you missed the entire point of his thread. I took it to mean that these are schools that either have done well and have slipped back to mediocrity with little hope of climbing back up, or schools that are currently doing well
but are in danger of slipping beck to mediocrity.
I don't think he was crapping on other teams so much as thinking of a counterpoint to the sleeping giant thread in order to spark conversation.
Maybe he was crapping on other teams, but that is not where my mind automatically goes.
You have not taken Georgia's emergence well.
Kirby literally took Alabama stuff and put the Georgia logo over it.
And it wasn't even a knock on Kirby. There have been many many coaches hired from the Saban tree hoping for the same things and Kirby is really the only one that has delivered.
Posted on 12/29/25 at 12:02 pm to bamabaseballsec
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Nebraska’s walk ons deserve a ton of credit too. Tjere were no roster limits and oline is the hardest position to evaluate. They handed any lineman who wanted to play tjere a scholly. Stick em in the strength program then run off the scrubs. It was a very effective system.
I was thinking there was some kind of hinky things going on, but I couldn't remember the details. Thanks!
Posted on 12/29/25 at 12:13 pm to kajon
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You mean the Nick Saban program? If you're going by that, then Alabama copied the LSU program.....and LSU copied the Michigan State program, etc.
(Don't get me wrong though, I agree with you about people sh!tting on other teams for no reason, it's just dumb)
So Nick Saban copied Nick Saban?
Come on guy.
At any rate, Saban actually changed from his time at LSU to Alabama. So it's not the same programs.
This post was edited on 12/29/25 at 12:14 pm
Posted on 12/29/25 at 12:16 pm to 3down10
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1980:
#14 South Carolina W 13-10
#20 Florida W 26-21
#7 ND W 17-10
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Those are time of game rankings, meaning they were over-rated. Notre Dame is the only team that finished ranked at #9.
So were Alabama's rankings. Do you think those ranked teams Alabama beat might have fallen, too?
quote:Pittsburgh finished #4 for the 1981 season.
Clemson was the only ranked team Georgia played in 1981, and Georgia lost.
If you want to talk about seasonal records you don't cut it off by date...you encapsulate the entire season. Just because a bowl game was played on January 1, it still counts as a game played in the 1981 season....unless you want to apply the same metric to Alabama's season in 1979?
Don't be obtuse. You can't be as dumb as you are trying to make yourself out to be. If you insist, though, we can take your Arkansas game off your 1979 schedule? is that what you want to do?
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Florida did not finish ranked.
You said we did not play ranked teams in the 1980 season. Here is my question. Do you want to apply your logic to Alabama, too...or not?
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Kirby literally took Alabama stuff and put the Georgia logo over it.
Crap dude. You are upset over logos on paperwork? You think that was the huge difference?
Again. I will ask you. Do you want to apply the same metrics for Alabama that you applied to Georgia?
Posted on 12/29/25 at 12:18 pm to GoldenDawg
Underrated post, GD
Posted on 12/29/25 at 12:19 pm to 3down10
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At any rate, Saban actually changed from his time at LSU to Alabama. So it's not the same programs.
But Kirby Smart photocopied Alabama or were there changes?
As usual you are all over the place.
"No! No! That's different! That's Alabama!"
Posted on 12/29/25 at 12:19 pm to 3down10
A very very good rebuttal
Posted on 12/29/25 at 12:23 pm to DawgsLife
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So were Alabama's rankings. Do you think those ranked teams Alabama beat might have fallen, too?
No because I used end of season rankings.
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Pittsburgh finished #4 for the 1981 season.
If you want to talk about seasonal records you don't cut it off by date...you encapsulate the entire season. Just because a bowl game was played on January 1, it still counts as a game played in the 1981 season....unless you want to apply the same metric to Alabama's season in 1979?
Don't be obtuse. You can't be as dumb as you are trying to make yourself out to be. If you insist, though, we can take your Arkansas game off your 1979 schedule? is that what you want to do?
I counted seasons, not years. Try again.
You are now 0-2
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You said we did not play ranked teams in the 1980 season. Here is my question. Do you want to apply your logic to Alabama, too...or not?
Yes, you could have looked and did the research yourself and come to the same conclusion.
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Crap dude. You are upset over logos on paperwork? You think that was the huge difference?
Again. I will ask you. Do you want to apply the same metrics for Alabama that you applied to Georgia?
Once again it wasn't even a knock on Kirby. His ability do that is something many other coaches were hired for and unlikely Kirby they failed to deliver.
It's only relevant because of the initial claims in the OP about "just a piss-poor coach or other decision away from joining the nobodies of college football." Well, currently Georgia is the product of a coach who was able to copy the GOAT.
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Posted on 12/29/25 at 12:27 pm to 3down10
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1981:
#8 Pittsburgh L 20-24
I would also say that Georgia played unranked Clemson and lost 13-3 and Clemson ended the season winning the National Championship.
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Clemson was the only ranked team Georgia played in 1981, and Georgia lost.
So, because Georgia played Pittsburgh on January 1st, 1982, we can't count that as a game played in the 1081 season.
Ok. Then, since Alabama played Arkansas on January 1, 1980, I can only guess that that game can't count as part of the 1979 season. So, the only ranked team Alabama played in 1979 was #16 Auburn?
That's ok, by me. I will accept that if you will.
I guess since Georgia played ND on January 1, 1981 then Georgia played ND who finished #9, while Alabama's best win that year was #16 Auburn?
Posted on 12/29/25 at 12:32 pm to DawgsLife
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But Kirby Smart photocopied Alabama or were there changes?
As usual you are all over the place.
"No! No! That's different! That's Alabama!"
Well Kirby took a screenshot in 2015. Part of the reason he struggles with mobile QBs still and has lost to Alabama multiple times is because Saban changed after 2015 and Kirby wasn't around for how they started attacking mobile QBs and of course Alabama started playing with their own.
So Saban was constantly changing things. Pruitt played a decent role in that as well.
Personally I think the 2015 version of our offense was better overall to be honest. That's one thing I like about Kirby, his offensive philosophy. We had success obviously, but I think we'd have had even more if we didn't change offenses.
Posted on 12/29/25 at 12:36 pm to 3down10
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No because I used end of season rankings.
No. You didn't.
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I counted seasons, not years. Try again.
You are now 0-2
Yet for the 1981 season you don't count Pittsburgh as being a ranked team?
Yeah. Sure.
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Yes, you could have looked and did the research yourself and come to the same conclusion.
Either you count ND as a ranked team or you don't. If you said we didn't play ranked teams then you did not count ND.
In 1979, Alabama played Arkansas and Auburn that was ranked.
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Once again it wasn't even a knock on Kirby. His ability do that is something many other coaches were hired for and unlikely Kirby they failed to deliver.
Yes, it was or you wouldn't have brought it up.
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It's only relevant because of the initial claims in the OP about "just a piss-poor coach or other decision away from joining the nobodies of college football."
What has this got to do with this:
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Well, currently Georgia is the product of a coach who was able to copy the GOAT.
Do you honestly believe that Georgia is close to falling off the edge of the world into Nebraska levels?
Posted on 12/29/25 at 12:36 pm to DawgsLife
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So, because Georgia played Pittsburgh on January 1st, 1982, we can't count that as a game played in the 1081 season.
Ok. Then, since Alabama played Arkansas on January 1, 1980, I can only guess that that game can't count as part of the 1979 season. So, the only ranked team Alabama played in 1979 was #16 Auburn?
That's ok, by me. I will accept that if you will.
I guess since Georgia played ND on January 1, 1981 then Georgia played ND who finished #9, while Alabama's best win that year was #16 Auburn?
I counted that game originally, I made a mistake in my reply to you after you tried to use time of game rankings..
But it was originally counted in the 5 ranked teams Georgia played that I mention before while Georgia went 2-3.
Happy now?
Posted on 12/29/25 at 12:39 pm to 3down10
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Alabama played 2 ranked teams in the regular season and then a ranked team in the bowl game.
This was your statement. Tell me the two ranked teams at the end of the season Alabama played during the regular season. I'll wait. Don't try to peddle the lie that you used only end of year rankings.
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