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Posted on 9/10/25 at 8:15 am to madmaxvol
Posted on 9/10/25 at 8:15 am to madmaxvol
Okay, so they were practicing “hope football” (like hope chess) and not even practicing an actual onside kick? That just makes the practice justification seem even fishier.
Also, I never said the receiving team needed to be prepared. I said they’d be more likely to expect it if they were only down a couple of scores than if they were way down and both teams knew they were out of their league.
You still haven’t answered my point about the timing, btw.
Also, I never said the receiving team needed to be prepared. I said they’d be more likely to expect it if they were only down a couple of scores than if they were way down and both teams knew they were out of their league.
You still haven’t answered my point about the timing, btw.
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Posted on 9/10/25 at 8:22 am to madmaxvol
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But that's just my opinion. Let's see what AI says about the difference between an "onside kickoff" and a "line drive" kickoff.
What real football fan relies on AI to explain the difference between a line drive kick and an OS kick?
The fact that you’re reading into my words and not answering my point about timing (which is the foundation for why I had an issue with the kick in the first place) says that you either realize you’re wrong but don’t want to admit or you can’t figure out a way to explain why I’m wrong. Either way, until you can do that, consider yourself beat.
Posted on 9/10/25 at 10:16 am to FootballFrenzy
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What real football fan relies on AI to explain the difference between a line drive kick and an OS kick?
Well...you didn't know the difference...so I thought you might believe AI more than you would believe me. I know the difference, but I was allowing your narrative because...even if it were a traditional onside kick, rather than a line drive kick, It isn't a huge deal. They were trying to get their #1 special teams some practice at different things before they started subbing them with the backups. The starting kicker did not kick off any in the 2nd half...so, this was a chance for him to practice the line drive kick (they actually switched the place kicker and the fg kicker in the 2nd half).
The timing was...they weren't through the first half yet. They wanted to give the kicker a real-time chance to practice the line drive kick because they knew he wouldn't be kicking in the 2nd half. Besides practice for the kicker...it was also practice for the coverage team. Josh Turbyville has had 143 touchbacks from his 181 kickoffs over the last 3 seasons. This season he has had 9 kickoffs and that line drive was the only one that wasn't a touchback.
Posted on 9/10/25 at 10:22 am to madmaxvol
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The timing was...they weren't through the first half yet. They wanted to give the kicker a real-time chance to practice the line drive kick because they knew he wouldn't be kicking in the 2nd half. Besides practice for the kicker...it was also practice for the coverage team. Josh Turbyville has had 143 touchbacks from his 181 kickoffs over the last 3 seasons. This season he has had 9 kickoffs and that line drive was the only one that wasn't a touchback.
Still haven’t said why they felt the need to practice when they were up by 5 touchdowns instead of one or two or three
Posted on 9/10/25 at 10:54 am to Pettifogger
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Just to be clear, LSU dragging arse against a cream puff met expectations
Auburn going on the road as a 2pt favorite and winning by two TDs against a p4 team that subsequently won on the road against a top 20 team…did not?
That is fair criticism. In week one, I already stated that I made a mistake with Auburn about their concerns. That was the first thing I addressed this week.
In addition, I admitted in this thread that I was too easy on LSU this week after the lack luster game against tech.
I don’t claim to be mistake free, and I am capable of making errors. The rant is good at identifying these!
What else should I do, but be better moving forward?
Posted on 9/10/25 at 11:13 am to FootballFrenzy
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The timing was...they weren't through the first half yet. They wanted to give the kicker a real-time chance to practice the line drive kick because they knew he wouldn't be kicking in the 2nd half. Besides practice for the kicker...it was also practice for the coverage team. Josh Turbyville has had 143 touchbacks from his 181 kickoffs over the last 3 seasons. This season he has had 9 kickoffs and that line drive was the only one that wasn't a touchback.
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Still haven’t said why they felt the need to practice when they were up by 5 touchdowns instead of one or two or three
7x5 = 35...technically, they were up by 4 Touchdowns and 2 field goals.
It is a football call...it isn't a dirty play...it isn't even an onside kick. They called it when they called it. I can't tell you why anyone "feels the need" to do anything. I can only speculate, as can you.
Posted on 9/10/25 at 11:16 am to FootballFrenzy
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Actually, I was talking about intent
Oh, well, if you thought it was a legit answer, it must be fine then, right?
We knew where you were going with intent, but the ridiculous part of your argument was when you skipped over intent and moved to concern for the number of reps for an FCS team!
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They could’ve attempted an onside kick when they were up two touchdowns, or three, or maybe even four. But five? If you want to take an SEC team by surprise, you onside kick when you’re up 17-, not 34-0.
I’d like to see your answer to that.
You having an amazing ability to be irrational, but I’ll answer your question. It was an FCS team. I don’t really care when they ran an onside kick. The score was a giant margin, so does one potential touchdown that never happened matter? No - it does not. This was a warmup game to get you better, and they are probably better for having failed that onside kick.
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BTW, despite my angry tone, I’m willing to admit I was wrong about calling the onside kick classless, but I’ve yet to see anything but justification for classless behavior.
I agree, but you fail to to see defending the honor of a lost possession that never happened was on par with your classless behavior.
Posted on 9/10/25 at 2:01 pm to DrKnievel
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You having an amazing ability to be irrational, but I’ll answer your question. It was an FCS team. I don’t really care when they ran an onside kick. The score was a giant margin, so does one potential touchdown that never happened matter? No - it does not. This was a warmup game to get you better, and they are probably better for having failed that onside kick.
lol, none of you are able to answer my point, so you hyperfixate on a side note about reps. The fact is that attempting an onside kick or “line drive kick” in hopes of regaining position when you’re up 34-0 before halftime is running up the score, which is classless behavior, which is my point.
I wonder what kinds of justifications for being a jerk in the name of “practice” for the kicker you two will come up with next.
Seriously, DK, how do you fail to recognize that that is running up the score, and why are you simping for the Vols?
This post was edited on 9/10/25 at 2:12 pm
Posted on 9/10/25 at 2:16 pm to FootballFrenzy
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Seriously, DK, how do you fail to recognize that that is running up the score
Line drive kick with 8 minutes left in first half = "running up the score" because "I was talking about intent. UT attempted to regain possession of the ball after scoring to go up by 5 fricking touchdowns in the second quarter." (were only up by 4 touchdowns and 2 FGs at the time)
Throwing in the end zone from 5 yards out with less than a minute left in the game = Ok and not running up the score because, "A&M already had possession and used it to score". (aTm was up by 4 touchdowns and 1 FG at the time)
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I wonder what kinds of justifications for being a jerk in the name of “practice” for the backup kicker you two will come up with next.
Not practice for the "backup kicker"....it was reps for the special teams (kickoff coverage) and starting kicker before switching over to the backups. So far this year they had zero kickoff returns to cover...so a line drive kick requires them to do something other than watch the other team signal for a fair catch in the end zone.
Posted on 9/10/25 at 2:19 pm to madmaxvol
I have already said that the A&M thing was trashy. It’s also completely irrelevant to this discussion.
And yes, backup kicker was I typo that I fixed.
Doing anything other than kicking off to an FCS team when you’re up 5 scores midway through the second quarter is called running up the score, and it’s considered petty. You cannot come up with an acceptable justification for that. If it had been 7-0, 14-0, sure. But not 34-0.
And yes, backup kicker was I typo that I fixed.
Doing anything other than kicking off to an FCS team when you’re up 5 scores midway through the second quarter is called running up the score, and it’s considered petty. You cannot come up with an acceptable justification for that. If it had been 7-0, 14-0, sure. But not 34-0.
Posted on 9/10/25 at 2:21 pm to madmaxvol
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Line drive kick with 8 minutes left in first half = "running up the score" because "I was talking about intent. UT attempted to regain possession of the ball after scoring to go up by 5 fricking touchdowns in the second quarter." (were only up by 4 touchdowns and 2 FGs at the time)
This is the most pathetic thing I have ever seen. I laughed so hard at it. “Hey! We were only up by 34 points, not 35! So screw you! We can line drive kick the ball if we want to!”
Posted on 9/10/25 at 2:23 pm to FootballFrenzy
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lol, none of you are able to answer my point, so you hyperfixate on a side note about reps
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. You are a winner in that regard.
If it was 72-0 with two minutes left in the 4th quarter, that would be a Busch League move. They weren’t halfway to their point total in the second quarter, so it’s fine from my perspective.
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Seriously, DK, how do you fail to recognize that that is running up the score, and why are you simping for the Vols?
If you don’t run up the scores, you go down in the rankings: Georgia down two spots, South Carolina down 1 spot, and Tennessee is up 7 spots. Whether I like it or not is irrelevant when your performance affects your ranking.
Posted on 9/10/25 at 2:25 pm to DrKnievel
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If you don’t run up the scores, you go down in the rankings: Georgia down two spots, South Carolina down 1 spot, and Tennessee is up 7 spots. Whether I like it or not is irrelevant when your performance affects your ranking.
And you care about the difference in rankings between 34-0 and 41-0 because…?
Dude, you’re an irrational person trying very hard to pose as a reasonable person and failing miserably.
Posted on 9/10/25 at 2:47 pm to FootballFrenzy
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And you care about the difference in rankings between 34-0 and 41-0 because…?
Here you go with your made up, pulled out of thin air arguments again. There was no change in the score. You made that up. You shift more than a Sark offense. First, it was a bad onside kick (which I’m not even sure that is accurate at this point with it getting to the 27), then it was intent, then it was unfair to the vols opponent, now it’s the vols are running up the score and classless. You are all over the place.
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Dude, you’re an irrational person trying very hard to pose as a reasonable person and failing miserably.
I’m the irrational one?
I have already admitted I didn’t watch the game (doesn’t come on until tomorrow on my provider). Madmaxvol deserves a shoutout for sharing the details of the game. So I have been thinking this was an onside kick because of what I read, but it is sounding like it wasn’t even an onside kick at this point. Nobody kicks an onside kick to the 27.
This is feeling more and more like ‘choose your own adventure’ Daniel with all the misinformation going on here (and I noted there was no acknowledgement or response the first time I brought this up, Daniel). You sling shite at the wall and see what sticks and ignore all the shite that didn’t stick to the wall like it didn’t happen. You are just trolling and you aren’t that good at it.
Posted on 9/10/25 at 2:52 pm to FootballFrenzy
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Line drive kick with 8 minutes left in first half = "running up the score" because "I was talking about intent. UT attempted to regain possession of the ball after scoring to go up by 5 fricking touchdowns in the second quarter." (were only up by 4 touchdowns and 2 FGs at the time)
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This is the most pathetic thing I have ever seen. I laughed so hard at it. “Hey! We were only up by 34 points, not 35! So screw you! We can line drive kick the ball if we want to!”
I was just clarifying, in case your math was as problematic as your logic. It would have been just as acceptable at 35 points as it was 34...but you kept touting "you're up by 5 Touchdowns and do an onside kick"...we were neither up by 5 touchdowns, nor did we do an onside kick.
Practicing can be beneficial...last year, Georgia was up by 23 at halftime and tried a squib kick against Texas. The Longhorns got the ball and scored on a short field. Had it been properly executed, it could have put a nail in the coffin. Instead, it helped Texas rally and score 15 unanswered points.
Just to be clear on what we are talking about...does this look like an "onside kick" to anyone on here? I was calling it a "line-drive" kick...but it was actually more of a squib kick.
Compare...squib kick
Onside kick
Youtube Link
These are not the same...
Posted on 9/10/25 at 3:06 pm to madmaxvol
And there we have it. That is not an onside kick. Tip of the hat to madmaxvol.
I wonder where Daniel’s arguments will shift to now….
I wonder where Daniel’s arguments will shift to now….
Posted on 9/10/25 at 3:16 pm to DrKnievel
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Here you go with your made up, pulled out of thin air arguments again. There was no change in the score. You made that up. You shift more than a Sark offense. First, it was a bad onside kick (which I’m not even sure that is accurate at this point with it getting to the 27), then it was intent, then it was unfair to the vols opponent, now it’s the vols are running up the score and classless. You are all over the place.
Lmao. You don’t remember your comments about running up the score being important for rankings? If Tennessee has recovered the kick and scored, they would’ve been up 41-0 instead of 34-0. I don’t see that making a big different to the voters, do you?
And yes, you are the irrational who continues to try to dance around the point that the Vols were trying to run up the score, which is tacky, and you can’t seem to understand the stupidity of your own arguments.
Posted on 9/10/25 at 3:21 pm to FootballFrenzy
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then it was intent, then it was unfair to the vols opponent, now it’s the vols are running up the score and classless. You are all over the place.
These are all completely valid points that support my main point: not kicking off like a normal person to measly ETSU while up 34-0 was a jerkwad move.
Posted on 9/10/25 at 3:31 pm to FootballFrenzy
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then it was intent, then it was unfair to the vols opponent, now it’s the vols are running up the score and classless. You are all over the place.
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These are all completely valid points that support my main point: not kicking off like a normal person to measly ETSU while up 34-0 was a jerkwad move.
You aren't a kicker...are you? Kickers usually don't like it when the goalposts are moved.
Posted on 9/10/25 at 3:44 pm to madmaxvol
I watched the video. To me, it seems stupid to do a squib kick instead of kicking off for a TB. I’m not sure that they weren’t trying to recover the ball. I’m also not sure they were trying to recover the ball, so I’m willing to drop the “Tennessee is classless and they run up the score” thing. For now.
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