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re: Weak non-conference scheduling in baseball and basketball?

Posted on 2/28/13 at 12:11 pm to
Posted by FulmersGonnaFixIt
Brentwood, TN (Utopia)
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 2/28/13 at 12:11 pm to
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The new guy is also winning at a much higher clip than Serrano did.



Serrano win pct = .633
Gillespie = .673

4.5% is a MUCH higher clip
Posted by engie
Member since Jan 2012
8953 posts
Posted on 2/28/13 at 12:11 pm to
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2005-2007 Dave Serrano 3 114-66-1 .633


2008–present Mike Gillespie 5 200-97 .673

Any more questions?
Posted by engie
Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 2/28/13 at 12:14 pm to
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4.5% is a MUCH higher clip


Obviously. This is baseball we're talking about.
Posted by FulmersGonnaFixIt
Brentwood, TN (Utopia)
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 2/28/13 at 12:15 pm to
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You keep wanting to look at scheduling in HINDSIGHT -- which is a completely ILLOGICAL process, since it can only be set up based on how good teams are EXPECTED to be. I've shown that conclusively already. Hence why we SCHEDULED tougher than you. Whether or not we end up with a greater noncon SOS is immaterial to SCHEDULING, which your OP was based upon.

But you are obviously too stupid to know the difference between the two


Are we betting on real results or intended results?

Does the NCAA determine SOS before the season starts and use that as a baseline later in the year?
Posted by engie
Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 2/28/13 at 12:16 pm to
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Are we betting on real results or intended results?


You should have argued nonconference SOS then. Not SCHEDULING. Your fault for being a moron and not knowing the difference.

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Does the NCAA determine SOS before the season starts and use that as a baseline later in the year?


You tell me. You are the one that doesn't know the difference.
This post was edited on 2/28/13 at 12:17 pm
Posted by FulmersGonnaFixIt
Brentwood, TN (Utopia)
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 2/28/13 at 12:17 pm to
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Obviously. This is baseball we're talking about.


So, he's building on what Serrano helped establish?

Serrano last year there had the most wins in school history. Still waiting on Gillispie to get the Anteaters to the CWS or surpass school record for total wins in a season.

When I think of a raise or much higher salary increase, I think of 4.5%.
Posted by FulmersGonnaFixIt
Brentwood, TN (Utopia)
Member since Jun 2011
3170 posts
Posted on 2/28/13 at 12:18 pm to
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You should have argued nonconference SOS then. Not SCHEDULING. Your fault for being a moron and not knowing the difference.


Scheduling directly affects the SOS. PUTZ.
Posted by bubbz
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2006
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Posted on 2/28/13 at 12:23 pm to
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Literally everyone wins at Cal State Fullerton and UC Irvine


Obviously you don't know what you are talking about
Posted by FulmersGonnaFixIt
Brentwood, TN (Utopia)
Member since Jun 2011
3170 posts
Posted on 2/28/13 at 12:24 pm to
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Obviously you don't know what you are talking abou


She doesn't
Posted by engie
Member since Jan 2012
8953 posts
Posted on 2/28/13 at 12:24 pm to
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Scheduling directly affects the SOS. PUTZ.


Scheduling affects what you EXPECT your SOS to be. You can't control how good the other team actually is.

Besides, if we had played Tennessee's schedule, we sweep UNLV - who instead of being 5-3 is now 2-6. We take 2 of 3 from Arizona St at home, probably sweep looking at their actual production in the series against you - who is now 3-3 or 2-4. We obviously beat ETSU as well. And thus, your(our) SOS still looks like shite. See how it works early in the season when you dominate people?

Overall SOS, we will still be greater than you -- which is all that ultimately matters to a selection committee that will be deciding between whether we are regional hosts or a national seed.
Posted by unbearable
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 2/28/13 at 12:25 pm to
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FulmersGonnaFixIt


I don't understand why you won't take the bet for best SOS???

The whole argument is that our weak OOC is going to hurt us when we are on the bubble. That is good stuff right there.

I'm sorry we don't get to play your weak arse in baseball this year. Count your blessings and continue to live in the 90's where UT was somewhat relevant. The last 10 years you've averaged 5th in the SEC EAST. Hell Mizzou might even make you their doormat pretty soon here.
Posted by csorre1
Member since Apr 2010
6835 posts
Posted on 2/28/13 at 12:27 pm to
MSU's schedule > Tennessee's schedule.
Posted by FulmersGonnaFixIt
Brentwood, TN (Utopia)
Member since Jun 2011
3170 posts
Posted on 2/28/13 at 12:27 pm to
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I don't understand why you won't take the bet for best SOS???


See OP and following discussion. We are talking about the non-conference :)

My Bet is still if you want to take it.

Posted by engie
Member since Jan 2012
8953 posts
Posted on 2/28/13 at 12:28 pm to
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Obviously you don't know what you are talking about


O rly? Looks pretty f'n average to me.

UC Irvine since the rebuild:
2002-2004 John Savage 3 88-84-1 .512
2005-2007 Dave Serrano 3 114-66-1 .633
2008–present Mike Gillespie 5 200-97 .673

Cal State Fullerton all-time:
1975–1987 Augie Garrido See Below
1988–1990 Larry Cochell 3 109–68 .616
1991–1996 Augie Garrido 19 875–341–5 .719
1997–2007 George Horton 11 490–212–1 .698
2008–2011 Dave Serrano 4 175–73 .706
2012–present Rick Vanderhook 1
Totals 5 coaches 37 seasons 1649-694-6 .703

Posted by JimMorrison
The Peninsula
Member since May 2012
20747 posts
Posted on 2/28/13 at 12:28 pm to
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Miss State appears to be playing 19 straight home games to open the season against Portland, Grambling, Purdue, Samford, Rhode Island, St. Joes, MVSU, Central Arkansas and 1 game vs. USM. That's absurd.


holy shite, I had no idea of this. that is absurd.

and all of the MSU posters like to keep throwing their undefeated* record in our faces. for shame.
Posted by FulmersGonnaFixIt
Brentwood, TN (Utopia)
Member since Jun 2011
3170 posts
Posted on 2/28/13 at 12:31 pm to
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O rly? Looks pretty f'n average to me.


This is average?
2005-2007 Dave Serrano 3 114-66-1 .633
2008–2011 Dave Serrano 4 175–73 .706

with 2 CWS appearances? It's More than MSU has since he became a head coach.
Posted by FulmersGonnaFixIt
Brentwood, TN (Utopia)
Member since Jun 2011
3170 posts
Posted on 2/28/13 at 12:31 pm to
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holy shite, I had no idea of this. that is absurd.


ABSOLUTELY
Posted by engie
Member since Jan 2012
8953 posts
Posted on 2/28/13 at 12:33 pm to
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See OP and following discussion.

OP was stupid -- and you've since moved the goalposts.

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We are talking about the non-conference

Which I already showed that we SCHEDULED tougher than you.
Posted by FulmersGonnaFixIt
Brentwood, TN (Utopia)
Member since Jun 2011
3170 posts
Posted on 2/28/13 at 12:35 pm to
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Which I already showed that we SCHEDULED tougher than you.


You intended to schedule better based on previous year data. Reality is a different story and so is using a thing called logic. Show me 6 non-conference games MSU is playing that are better than ASU (3), ND (1), VT (2).

When you get done with that we are also playing MTSU twice that has a current RPI of 41.
This post was edited on 2/28/13 at 12:37 pm
Posted by engie
Member since Jan 2012
8953 posts
Posted on 2/28/13 at 12:37 pm to
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holy shite, I had no idea of this. that is absurd.

Yet, you play one road game in the entire pre-conference schedule @ Clemson and one neutral site game against them. We play neutral site games against Southern Miss and Ole Miss, who are at least Clemson's equal this season.

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and all of the MSU posters like to keep throwing their undefeated* record in our faces. for shame.

Yet you've already managed to lose at home to Liberty
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