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For me in no order..
Tampa
Miami
Austin
Jacksonville
Nashville

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Sure, I agree with all that. New Orleans is one of the great American cities in terms of those things.

Atlanta is light years ahead in economics, business, etc, but just in terms of things humans enjoy to experience New Orleans is in a stratosphere with only San Francisco, New York and maybe Miami. It's a fantastic place to spend a few days.

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I mean, Houston is ahead of Atlanta in those things, but what does that matter? A little bit of uniqueness can go a long way, and something like New Orleans should be cherished because the things that make Atlanta or Houston great can be replaced and upgraded with money. You can't write a check and make another New Orleans. Houston is the most diverse city in the country, extremely wealthy, but the downtown is ugly, it lacks any personality, the weather is brutal, and people constantly walk around with Dallas envy. The skyline is ugly, all the parks were falling in to a state of disrepair until recently, and everyone who had any decent amount of many ran to the suburbs, or lived in the Galleria a long time ago.

If you want to see an argument for Libertarian ideals, Houston is either a dream, or a nightmare. No zoning has allowed Houston to be revitalized arguably better than any city in the country. The Buffalo Bayou is so nice that people in Dallas actually look to Houston for the first time in its existence and has said, "that's something we need to emulate". The Midtown transformation is honestly downright jaw dropping. And yet you should have seen what it looked like in 2004. Absolutely disgusting.

So I get what you're saying, but Atlanta to me is just Houston-lite. Which is impressive in it's own regards, nothing to write home about. All the things that make Atlanta or Houston great made Cleveland and Detroit great in the 1950s.

Geography alone sets Atlanta apart from Houston. Atlanta gives you more of an upper south topography and climate vs other areas of the south.

The old parts of the city like little five and Virginia highlands are nothing like Houston either.

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So I get what you're saying, but Atlanta to me is just Houston-lite. Which is impressive in it's own regards, nothing to write home about. All the things that make Atlanta or Houston great made Cleveland and Detroit great in the 1950s.

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Agree to disagree I guess. I find it funny you seem to think Dallas is somehow not in the same discussion with Atlanta and Houston.

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A little bit of uniqueness can go a long way, and something like New Orleans should be cherished because the things that make Atlanta or Houston great can be replaced and upgraded with money. You can't write a check and make another New Orleans.

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Totally agree. Same with Charleston and Savannah. Those are probably my 3 favorite cities in the South.

Atlanta is a city in the trees with beautiful mountains creeping into it's northern suburbs. Houston has none of that (and neither does Dallas). And that's nothing against Houston, it's just the geography.

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So does Raleigh/Durham count as the South?

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I think so, and it's a great area too.

I mean it is. There are neighborhoods in Dallas that Atlanta cannot touch. Dallas also has some of the top high schools in America.

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everyone who had any decent amount of many ran to the suburbs

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Isn't this pretty much the case in most cities?

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Dallas is much nicer than both.

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Again, that's just laughable, but ok

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You're free to disagree. No worries.

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Same, cheers

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Isn't this pretty much the case in most cities?

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It depends how much areas fall in to disrepair and don't, IMO. Not everything is equal and Houston has something unique about it that has a huge impact on this; no zoning. Houston's lack of zoning really worked against it in this regard. It really helped in the recent revitalization, but when the suburban sprawl happened, the opposite was true.