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re: Todd Golden: Doesn't matter if Bediako plays, we'll beat them anyways
Posted on 1/23/26 at 12:26 pm to paperwasp
Posted on 1/23/26 at 12:26 pm to paperwasp
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Do your own research or read this thread, you idiot.
I tried. I haven't been able to find one where a player was allowed to come back after playing in college and then delcaring for the pro's. Maybe you can help me out instead of being well, you?
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Posted on 1/23/26 at 12:27 pm to jangalang
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Bama fans are coming off as ignorantly frustrated at this point
Steven Pearl cold-called me yesterday and tried to sell me medical equipment.
Posted on 1/23/26 at 12:28 pm to paperwasp
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Yeah there are a dozen different scenarios where none of this makes any sense.
Not really.
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Auburn has a player on their roster right now who played for the Serbia men's national team.
Never played in college. You seem dense.
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Louisville signed a guy who played 30 games in the G-league.
Don't beleive he played in colelge either.
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Baylor sucks for doing it.
Never played in college.
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Alabama sucks for trying to do it.
Played in college.
Posted on 1/23/26 at 12:30 pm to paperwasp
quote:Bet he got you hooked up!
Steven Pearl cold-called me yesterday and tried to sell me medical equipment.
Posted on 1/23/26 at 12:36 pm to jangalang
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According to Front Office Sports reporter Alex Schiffer, Roberts and his wife, Mary Turner Roberts, are listed as active donors to The Crimson Tide Foundation, with lifetime contributions ranging between $100,000 and $249,000. Neither Alabama nor the NCAA immediately responded to requests for comment.
The situation becomes more complex due to another potential conflict of interest. Mary Turner Roberts is also a member of the defense team representing Darius Miles, Bediako’s former Alabama teammate who is awaiting trial on capital murder charges stemming from a 2023 shooting.
This judge and his wife certainly doing more for Bama than Yea Alabama could ever imagine.
Posted on 1/23/26 at 12:43 pm to jangalang
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This judge and his wife certainly doing more for Bama than Yea Alabama could ever imagine
Luckily all of Auburn nation and the entire Auburn Family is on the case!
Posted on 1/23/26 at 12:45 pm to paperwasp
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Luckily all of Auburn nation and the entire Auburn Family is on the case!
Always here to help!
Posted on 1/23/26 at 12:56 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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Yeah there are a dozen different scenarios where none of this makes any sense
I always forget that you guys can't read.
My bad.
You confused yourself by introducing one false dilemma that you considered "wrong."
I was responding to BigD talking about college athletes vs pro athletes.
I don't like guys who have played professionally in Europe coming to college. I don't like guys who have been in the NBA coming back to college.
I plainly stated I don't like what Alabama is trying to do because it's not good for the sport.
There are different, very related scenarios that I also don't like. It would take me half-an-hour to type an epistle on the current state of AAU and college basketball.
Come on, I can't constantly hold your hand like this.
Posted on 1/23/26 at 1:03 pm to paperwasp
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Yeah there are a dozen different scenarios where none of this makes any sense
I always forget that you guys can't read.
Pot, kettle and such. I wasn't questioning the difference of the scenarios, in fact I pointed out the actual difference in them. I questioned your use of the fact that they didn't make any sense, because actually the other cases do make sense, they follow NCAA bylaws.
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false dilemma
Nope.
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Come on, I can't constantly hold your hand like this.
I'm sorry you don't understand the NCAA bylaw that has been around for many many years.
ETA: If you want to disagree witht he actual bylaw, by all means go for it, but this specific case is a very, very different one than the others you've mentioned for a very specific reason.
This post was edited on 1/23/26 at 1:07 pm
Posted on 1/23/26 at 1:12 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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GoCrazyAuburn
You are correct that the Bediako case pushes one step farther: College player has entered draft + has had a certain type of NBA contract.
And, his case argues that the NCAA rules are arbitrarily and inconsistently applied in a manner that only punish players with this one specific professional contract
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1) any other professional basketball contract is allowed
2) any other contract whatsoever does not mean a player is ineligible to return with college eligibility
Why people are talking about professional Euro players is that it's the element which has made the NCAA's rule against NBA contracts likely impossible to defend in court since it has always been OK for players to take a year or two break and return.
This post was edited on 1/23/26 at 1:14 pm
Posted on 1/23/26 at 1:18 pm to wm72
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And, his case argues that the NCAA rules are arbitrarily and inconsistently applied in a manner that only punish players with this one specific professional contract
Which specific contract would that be?
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1) any other professional basketball contract is allowed
Contract type isn't really the issue here.
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2) any other contract whatsoever does not mean a player is ineligible to return with college eligibility
As of now, no player has ever been allowed to "return" to collegiate eligibility after turning pro and signing a contract.
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Why people are talking about professional Euro players is that it's the element which has made the NCAA's rule against NBA contracts likely impossible to defend in court since it has always been OK for players to take a year or two break and return.
Nope, this is a fundamental misunderstanding of the NCAA bylaw. If a player played in college and then declared pro and signed a euro contract, they would still be ineligible to return to college athletics.
This post was edited on 1/23/26 at 1:21 pm
Posted on 1/23/26 at 1:33 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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Which specific contract would that be?
NBA/G League 2-way contract instead of only a G league contract, I believe. Again, what the Bediako case argues as an "arbitrary and inconsistent" distinction.
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Contract isn't really the issue here.
It would seem that the NCAA's interpretation of their bylaw has put it at issue.
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As of now, no player has ever been allowed to "return" to collegiate eligibility after turning pro and signing a contract.
That you need to keep adding the "return to college" is already a good example of the strained logic inherent in allowing some previously professional basketball players to play but not others.
Tons of players have left college for a year and "turned pro" in the sense that they went to work and were compensated and then returned. My own brother went to year of JUCO, signed a minor league baseball contract and came back to college and played on the golf team.
Again, the specific difference here is whether that "work" has been under one specific type of NBA contract since the Euro/G League exceptions have already thrown professional basketball contract in general out as a disqualifier.
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Nope, this is a fundamental misunderstanding of the NCAA bylaw.
What you seem to not acknowledge here is simply that the case/courts are not trying to "understand" the NCAA bylaw but decide if the bylaw does what the Bediako case contends: make an "arbitrary and inconsistent" distinction regarding the type of professional contract.
Of course, you're aware that NCAA has recently had tons of bylaws that did not stand up to court challenges.
This post was edited on 1/23/26 at 1:41 pm
Posted on 1/23/26 at 1:38 pm to wm72
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NBA/G League 2-way contract instead of only a G league contract, I believe. Again, what the Bediako case argues as an "arbitrary and inconsistent" distinction.
IF that is their argument, it is a losing one because the type of contract signed has not been the basis for the ruling of eligibility.
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It would seem that the NCAA's interpretation of their bylaw has put it at issue.
It hasn't. Their interpretation has been very conssitent. The only thing that has been updated is the threshold for what players were allowed to be paid, post NIL.
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That you need to keep adding the "return to college" is already a good example of the strained logic inherent in allowing some previously professional basketball players to play but not others.
Tons of players have left college for a year and "turned pro" in the sense that they went to work and were compensated and then returned.
Again, the specific difference is whether that "work" has been under one specific type of NBA contract.
Nope. Again, I don't see why this is so hard to grasp. It is not the type of contract that matters, it is whether or not you played collegiate basketball already and forfeited your remaining eligibility to go pro.. Thus the emphasis on "return to college".
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What you seem to not acknowledge here is simply that the case/courts are not trying to "understand" the NCAA bylaw but decide if the bylaw does what the Bediako case contends: make an "arbitrary and inconsistent" distinction regarding the type of professional contract.
Oh I understand it, which is why i'm pointing out the stupidity of it because it does none of these thigs. You keep getting hung up on contracts and are showing your lack of understanding of the ncaa rulings and their bylaws. It is why this case is so absurd. There is one variable in this case that matters that violates the eligiblity of Bediako that differentiates it from every other case, he already played in college.
Posted on 1/23/26 at 1:42 pm to wm72
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That you need to keep adding the "return to college" is already a good example of the strained logic
That was my earlier false dilemma claim that he seems to inject into every discussion.
Posted on 1/23/26 at 1:44 pm to paperwasp
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That was my earlier false dilemma claim that he seems to inject into every discussion.
It is the most important aspect of the case, but okay. I get it, you don't know the bylaw. Don't have to keep proving it.
Posted on 1/23/26 at 1:58 pm to wm72
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That you need to keep adding the "return to college" is already a good example of the strained logic inherent in allowing some previously professional basketball players to play but not others.
Not to jump into this argument here, but how is this "strained logic"? That's kind of the whole point, this is a novel situation. The kid went pro and left college ball 2+ years ago? On the surface think pretty much everyone agrees it's not the kind of thing that should be allowed to happen.
This post was edited on 1/23/26 at 2:01 pm
Posted on 1/23/26 at 2:00 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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he already played in college.
So did all the players who, for example, went to college and played college baseball. Then signed and played minor league baseball and ultimately came back to college and played QB for the football team.
There's never been a general rule about leaving college and then returning no matter how much one repeats it.
The specific NCAA bylaws have always been specific to becoming a professional in the same sport you are playing in college.
Again, that's why the NCAA interpreting their own bylaws to allow ex G-League players and 23 year old professional Euro players has opened this door.
You are right that these 2 different things (return to college + professional in same sport) have never been tested before but, again, the NCAA has permitted both by their own interpretation of their bylaws.
This post was edited on 1/23/26 at 2:01 pm
Posted on 1/23/26 at 2:01 pm to bgator85
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Not to jump into this argument here, but I'm how is this "strained logic". That's kind of the whole point. The kid went pro and left college ball what 2+ years ago?
Right? I'm really struggling to understand why it's such a difficult concept to understand. It is the key factor that differentiates this case from the others and why them citing the other cases as the grounds for him having grounds for eligibility is silly.
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NCAA Bylaw 12.2.2.2.1 which reads:
Before initial full-time collegiate enrollment, an individual may compete on a professional team (per Bylaw 12.02.4), provided the individual does not receive more than actual and necessary expenses to participate on the team.
Posted on 1/23/26 at 2:10 pm to wm72
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So did all the players who, for example, went to college and played college baseball. Then signed and played minor league baseball and ultimately came back to college and played QB for the football team.
Completely different scenario and one that the NCAA has specific rules around as well. If you want to get into a discussion on these we can, but as of now they do not apply to this case and are not part of the challenge that has been made. Completely open to discussing them though.
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There's never been a general rule about leaving college and then returning no matter how much one repeats it.
There is a specific rule about it actually.
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Again, that's why the NCAA interpreting their own bylaws to allow ex G-League players and 23 year old professional Euro players has opened this door.
Nope.
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You are right that these 2 different things (return to college + professional in same sport) have never been tested before but, again, the NCAA has permitted both by their own interpretation of their bylaws.
Nope.
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