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re: Todd Golden cleared, investigation dismissed.
Posted on 1/28/25 at 9:48 am to mckibaj
Posted on 1/28/25 at 9:48 am to mckibaj
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Florida closed their Title IX investigation. From the article I read the girl is not a UF student, so it doesn’t fall under Title IX. I’m not sure if there is a civil/criminal suit.
So they opened an investigation they knew would be closed to make it appear they did something? Because every educator and administrator on that campus would’ve known instantly that title 9 doesn’t apply to non students. The only question there would be if it were on campus activity.
UF kept this case pretty low profile so unless it blows up civilly or criminally I don’t think he’s at risk of any punishment. He’s a helluva coach but if he did what he’s accused of he deserves some kind of sanction wherever that may come from.
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Posted on 1/28/25 at 9:49 am to SM1010
smart move by your admin to sweep it under the rug once he turned the program around....if only L:SU had done the same
but hey we have a boy scout as HC now and its fun to lose a lot with integrity
but hey we have a boy scout as HC now and its fun to lose a lot with integrity
Posted on 1/28/25 at 9:50 am to mckibaj
Suck it beeches!
Posted on 1/28/25 at 9:52 am to bigDgator
Hey if he's cleared by the school that's fine
but you better hope no screenshots make their way to the internet
it might not be a Title IX matter but it could be a "your coach is a frickin creep" matter
but you better hope no screenshots make their way to the internet
it might not be a Title IX matter but it could be a "your coach is a frickin creep" matter
Posted on 1/28/25 at 9:54 am to Wallacewade04
to be clear I don't hate Todd Golden I don't hate Florida
but this case involves pictures and you are now living in a world where Chekov's dick pics could be dropped at any time
your coach hanging brain in front of a mirror could be seen by the world at any moment without warning
but this case involves pictures and you are now living in a world where Chekov's dick pics could be dropped at any time
your coach hanging brain in front of a mirror could be seen by the world at any moment without warning
Posted on 1/28/25 at 10:02 am to Wallacewade04
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Hey if he's cleared by the school that's fine but you better hope no screenshots make their way to the internet it might not be a Title IX matter but it could be a "your coach is a frickin creep" matter
Title 9 is set up to protect students and people on campus. It’s something universities have to investigate if a complaint is filed. The women involved likely wanted to avoid publicity and the wrath of fans and went with a title 9 complaint because it would shield them from that.
With that being said, Golden’s behavior is a step far beyond creep. I just don’t know that pursuing it criminally or civilly is worth the maelstrom the women would be subjected to as we all know the unhinged side of fandom would make their lives hell.
Posted on 1/28/25 at 10:15 am to Prof
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Title 9 is set up to protect students and people on campus. It’s something universities have to investigate if a complaint is filed. The women involved likely wanted to avoid publicity and the wrath of fans and went with a title 9 complaint because it would shield them from that.
With that being said, Golden’s behavior is a step far beyond creep. I just don’t know that pursuing it criminally or civilly is worth the maelstrom the women would be subjected to as we all know the unhinged side of fandom would make their lives hell.
if it is unwarranted naked pictures that is a gray area, it's gross thing to do but if it was an app with a block function he might be able to wiggle out of that
but if someone goes to the press with dick pics he's in trouble - if someone goes to the press and with pictures of their car and Todd Golden saying "I can see your car I know where you are" or something that nature - he's cooked and that IS criminal
not saying any of that will happen, but with anything involving pictures this could blow up on Florida at any moment without any warning
from purely the Florida's administrations perspective it's not at all a fun place to be in and from the victim's perspective this has to be very frustrating that the only way to possibly get a sense of justice could be to risk public shaming
This post was edited on 1/28/25 at 10:17 am
Posted on 1/28/25 at 10:19 am to Prof
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Title 9 is set up to protect students and people on campus. It’s something universities have to investigate if a complaint is filed. The women involved likely wanted to avoid publicity and the wrath of fans and went with a title 9 complaint because it would shield them from that.
Title IX is a 2 edge sword and it gets wielded in that manner. The obligation a student is often left with when on the wrong end of an accusation is having to prove something didn't happen in the first place. Impossible, wouldn't you say? Students are often encouraged by the University to make sure if you're going to have sex with someone that you get in writing their approval BEFORE the act. I've always wondered how many students actually walk around campus with those legal releases in their pockets.
Title IX has often become an impossible maze of rules and regulations that are designed to legislate morality. What could go wrong?
Posted on 1/28/25 at 10:23 am to bamameister
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Title IX is a 2 edge sword and it gets wielded in that manner. The obligation a student is often left with when on the wrong end of an accusation is having to prove something didn't happen in the first place. Impossible, wouldn't you say? Students are often encouraged by the University to make sure if you're going to have sex with someone that you get in writing their approval BEFORE the act. I've always wondered how many students actually walk around campus with those legal releases in their pockets.
Title IX has often become an impossible maze of rules and regulations that are designed to legislate morality. What could go wrong?
In this specific case I would say Title IX was functioning as it is supposed to until the allegations became public
both parties are supposed to remain anonymous - it is intended to protect women who come forward as they have often faced smears and public shaming, but it is also supposed to keep the accused anonymous as well until any wrongdoing is discovered
so I don't think this saga so far is a title ix problem it is a someone went to the press when they shouldn't have problem
but that genie, she is out of the bottle as far as this case is concerned
Posted on 1/28/25 at 10:33 am to mckibaj
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Florida closed their Title IX investigation. From the article I read the girl is not a UF student, so it doesn’t fall under Title IX. I’m not sure if there is a civil/criminal suit.
Well it sure is hard to argue with you since you didn't post a link to the article.
Let's try looking at the original article from the Alligator that started the whole firestorm.
UF Coach accused of sexual harassment and stalking
Here is a pertinent paragraph for people like you are are misinformed.
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The formal Title IX complaint against Golden obtained by The Alligator includes allegations of sexual exploitation, sexual harassment and stalking. The complaint alleges that over a year, Golden specifically aimed these behaviors toward UF students.
Posted on 1/28/25 at 10:41 am to bigDgator
They are former students and that matters:
LINK .
IOW current interpretation says they n have no standing because they are no longer enrolled which is a shitty ruling but that is how the law has been interpreted in district court and is likely the reasoning UF used.
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Recently, a federal district court issued a ruling that helped clarify the issue of who is entitled to protection under Title IX, which found that a person cannot bring a Title IX claim against a school unless he or she is participating or attempting to participate in a program or activity provided by an educational institution.
While this decision may seem limiting to the rights of non-students, the court also noted that this does not necessarily mean that a person has to be a student in order to have standing to file a Title IX claim. Instead, the court stated that a student must be either taking part or trying to take part in an institution’s educational program or activity if he or she wants to take advantage of Title IX’s protections. According to this reasoning, if a non-student suffered a sexual assault while researching at a university’s library or if a prospective student was harassed while on a campus tour, that individual might have standing to file a Title IX claim. Merely being present on campus, however, does not bring a person under the purview of federal law.
It’s important to note that while non-students may not be eligible to file a Title IX claim under federal law, they could have access to other legal remedies. Non-students who are harassed or assaulted by a student, faculty member, or employee of another school, for example, could seek compensation through the tort system by seeking money damages from their assailants directly and could also press criminal charges against the accused.
LINK .
IOW current interpretation says they n have no standing because they are no longer enrolled which is a shitty ruling but that is how the law has been interpreted in district court and is likely the reasoning UF used.
This post was edited on 1/28/25 at 10:43 am
Posted on 1/28/25 at 10:45 am to Prof
Not if they were students when it happened. This link you provided only addresses non-students visiting the campus.
But please tell us more.
But please tell us more.
Posted on 1/28/25 at 10:47 am to bigDgator
The student must be taking part. You gotta read.
The link will even tell you that title 9 applies to CURRENT ENROLLED students.
The link will even tell you that title 9 applies to CURRENT ENROLLED students.
This post was edited on 1/28/25 at 10:49 am
Posted on 1/28/25 at 10:47 am to Prof
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The student must be taking part.
You think?
Posted on 1/28/25 at 10:49 am to bigDgator
I was referring to the paragraph you didn’t read.
Posted on 1/28/25 at 10:50 am to bigDgator
Come on, what else you got?
Posted on 1/28/25 at 10:51 am to bigDgator
I don’t know why you can’t comprehend that you must be currently enrolled.
Posted on 1/28/25 at 10:52 am to Prof
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I was referring to the paragraph you didn’t read.
Then post a fricking paragraph. I am not reading a dissertation from someone parroting stupid shite from other people.
Posted on 1/28/25 at 10:54 am to Prof
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I don’t know why you can’t comprehend that you must be currently enrolled.
Because there are many title IX cases that proceed after the victim is no longer enrolled in school if they were at the time of the incident. It's you that appears to have the comprehension problem.
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