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re: This will be year 2 of Phase 3 of Mark Richt's tenure
Posted on 4/10/12 at 3:42 pm to WG_Dawg
Posted on 4/10/12 at 3:42 pm to WG_Dawg
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Fair enough, but he's already shown twice that he can.
I will give you '02, but being routed 35-14 by an average Tennessee team in '07 does not count as a break; that counts as blowing it. That's the same team we beat 41-17 two weeks later.
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Posted on 4/10/12 at 3:42 pm to DonDraper
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Do you know how many universities/coaches would kill for those built in advantages?
Well, in 2000 the top 3 names were Mark Richt, Glen Mason, and Ray Sherman. Georgia has absolutely anything a potential head coach could want, but the coaches have to be available to begin with. Which is another question I have for people who want Richt fired ASAP. Who can we get that's better? Realistically, not Jim Harbaugh types, but who is someone that is either available or would walk away from their current job to coach here?
Florida has everything going for it that UGA does, and they had to settle for an assistant with zero head coaching experience like we did in 2001. It's not always so cut and dry.
Posted on 4/10/12 at 3:43 pm to RollTide1987
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True enough. But I don't believe Richt can put you into a position to catch those breaks. And if he can't win it all this year, he isn't ever going to win it. You don't play Alabama, LSU, or Arkansas. Tennessee is going to suck something fierce and Florida, I think, is still a year away from contending for the East. The only team that can stop you in the East this year is South Carolina. If you finish with anything worse than a 10-2 record this year Richt should be fired.
UGA will not fire a 9-3 coach as long as he beats Florida and Tenn.
Posted on 4/10/12 at 3:45 pm to RollTide1987
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does not count as a break, that counts as blowing it.
I suppose. What I was saying was that all those other teams lost, and needed help from other teams (and sometimes A LOT of help, like bama last year) to make it. UK missed like 3 field goals against UT in 07. If they make 1 then we're in the SECCG against LSU and possibly playing for the NC. Unless you're '95 nebraska, you need some luck to win a national title. Those other teams I mentioned got some luck, we haven't.
And before you say "you make your own luck, you have to control your own destiny, blah blah blah" I'm not saying we need to rely ONLY on luck. I'm saying that a little bit certainly helps like it helped all those other teams.
Posted on 4/10/12 at 3:48 pm to WG_Dawg
Your points are all valid but I just don't see Richt putting you into a position to catch those breaks. 2011 Alabama got a second chance because they crushed everyone else they played. There were no close games other than that defeat. The closest a team came to beating us last year, minus LSU, was Penn State. The margin of victory in that game was 16 points. I just don't think Richt is a good enough coach to do that kind of thing.
Posted on 4/10/12 at 3:49 pm to WG_Dawg
-97 nebrasksa needed a miracle kick to hold on against (i think) missouri.
-98 UT needed to have arkansas' QB give them the ball so they could win the game.
-03 LSU lost to an average florida team at home, still played for the NC.
-06 UF had a suspended player come back and save the game against USC. Also lost a game and played for the NC.
-07 LSU lost twice, including the last regular season game, and to kentucky. They needed #1 and #2 to lose on the final weekend and they did.
-08 UF lost to ole miss at home, still got to play for the NC.
-09 bama barely beat a bad UT team at home and had Texas's best player leave the game in the first quarter
-11 bama needed like 3 teams to lose in 4 weeks to play for it, and they did.
All I'm saying is these teams were extremely fortunate and downright lucky in some cases to win their titles. In UGA's best years we haven't seen that.
-98 UT needed to have arkansas' QB give them the ball so they could win the game.
-03 LSU lost to an average florida team at home, still played for the NC.
-06 UF had a suspended player come back and save the game against USC. Also lost a game and played for the NC.
-07 LSU lost twice, including the last regular season game, and to kentucky. They needed #1 and #2 to lose on the final weekend and they did.
-08 UF lost to ole miss at home, still got to play for the NC.
-09 bama barely beat a bad UT team at home and had Texas's best player leave the game in the first quarter
-11 bama needed like 3 teams to lose in 4 weeks to play for it, and they did.
All I'm saying is these teams were extremely fortunate and downright lucky in some cases to win their titles. In UGA's best years we haven't seen that.
Posted on 4/10/12 at 3:50 pm to RollTide1987
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2011 Alabama got a second chance because they crushed everyone else they played.
That's 50% of it. The other 50% is that Stanford and Oregon both lost and Oklahoma state suffered maybe the biggest upset of the season. Without all of the above happening, bama doesn't play.
Posted on 4/10/12 at 3:50 pm to WG_Dawg
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Who can we get that's better?
How do you even know when you havent even looked? Do you think Saban sent his resume around to everyone? We landed him due to a great sales pitch from our AD.
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Florida has everything going for it that UGA does
No, no, no. First off, UF was forced to find a coach in a small amount of time because Saban gave Urban "health issues" after the SEC champ game. So they had to get what they could at the time.
Also, UF has to compete against three other powerhouses in their state, while also dealing with some programs like USF that are trying to make their way up. UGA has virtually no instate competition when it comes to recruiting.
Posted on 4/10/12 at 3:53 pm to WG_Dawg
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That's 50% of it. The other 50% is that Stanford and Oregon both lost and Oklahoma state suffered maybe the biggest upset of the season. Without all of the above happening, bama doesn't play.
Stanford and Oklahoma State just had to lose to get us into that game. Oregon had already lost to LSU and the only reason why everyone was so anti-Bama is because they didn't want a rematch. Oregon being #3 instead of Oklahoma State would have thrown that argument right out the window.
Posted on 4/10/12 at 3:53 pm to DonDraper
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We landed him due to a great sales pitch from our AD.
And he was currently not coaching anyone..
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Also, UF has to compete against three other powerhouses in their state
They don't play Miami, only FSU. We have just as much recruiting competition in our state that UF does in theirs, if not moreso.
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UGA has virtually no instate competition when it comes to recruiting
Instate? Correct, we have very little. Competition overall? You're a damn fool if you don't think we have major competition in our state every year. It doesn't matter if the schools are in Georgia or not.
Posted on 4/10/12 at 3:53 pm to WG_Dawg
And with that I have to go. later.
Posted on 4/10/12 at 3:56 pm to WG_Dawg
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They don't play Miami, only FSU.
But they still have to recruit against them.
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We have just as much recruiting competition in our state that UF does in theirs, if not moreso.
Posted on 4/10/12 at 4:01 pm to WG_Dawg
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And he was currently not coaching anyone..
Saban was unemployed when we hired him? Are you serious? Is that what you're seriously saying?
Posted on 4/10/12 at 4:03 pm to DonDraper
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Saban gave Urban "health issues" after the SEC champ game. So they had to get what they could at the time. Also, UF has to compete against three other powerhouses in their state, while also dealing with some programs like USF that are trying to make their way up. UGA has virtually no instate competition when it comes to recruiting.
The first part is tired Gump drivel. Urban lost control of his team and his recruiting sucked at the end. That's why he turned tail and ran.
USF is still not competing for for recruits we want except in rare cases. They have not beaten us for a recruit we wanted more than 2 times that I can think of and even then there were other "things" in play.
Saban wanted to get out of the NFL. There was no real sales pitch. He probably would have left for several schools.
This post was edited on 4/10/12 at 4:06 pm
Posted on 4/10/12 at 4:05 pm to WG_Dawg
Miami is back on the schedule next year I do believe but not permanently. I don't want to help them so I hope they are never put back on the schedule permanently.
Posted on 4/10/12 at 4:11 pm to roadGator
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The first part is tired Gump drivel. Urban lost control of his team and his recruiting sucked at the end. That's why he turned tail and ran.
You gotta be fuggin kidding me? I guess it was just a coincidence that he was rushed to the ER hours after the SECC game because of chest pains caused from stress/anxiety. Literally hours after the game he went to the ER. The same pains that caused him to take time off which eventually led to him quitting. Surely you're joking. gtfo
So you havent lost a recruit to USF, you still have to recruit against FSU, and UM. Opposed to UGA where they have any real instate competition with recruiting. Congrats on not losing a recruit to USF.
Posted on 4/10/12 at 5:03 pm to DonDraper
You could be full Gump of the year. Please remember to take Saban's peen out of your mouth right before your acceptance speech.
Also, are you saying the UG does have competition for in-state recruiting? It seems so from your sentence construction.
Also, are you saying the UG does have competition for in-state recruiting? It seems so from your sentence construction.
Posted on 4/10/12 at 5:21 pm to WG_Dawg
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But Shula, unlike Richt, never won a damn thing and was constantly shat on by his biggest rival.
Richt is 3-8 against UF...
Posted on 4/10/12 at 5:24 pm to roadGator
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You could be full Gump of the year. Please remember to take Saban's peen out of your mouth right before your acceptance speech
In other words "I have nothing to prove your statement wrong, so I'll just say you're obsessed with Saban, durrr".
Time for you to go to the JV board(if they have that here), and get your game up.
Posted on 4/10/12 at 5:26 pm to roadGator
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The first part is tired Gump drivel. Urban lost control of his team and his recruiting sucked at the end. That's why he turned tail and ran.
USF is still not competing for for recruits we want except in rare cases. They have not beaten us for a recruit we wanted more than 2 times that I can think of and even then there were other "things" in play.
Saban wanted to get out of the NFL. There was no real sales pitch. He probably would have left for several schools.
It's really not though. Saban stole his soul in that SEC title game, on top of the fact that Tebow was a senior.
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