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re: The SEC gauntlet schedule mythos
Posted on 12/13/23 at 2:19 pm to dkreller
Posted on 12/13/23 at 2:19 pm to dkreller
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Good luck not losing 1 of the last 3 games after going through that 5 game stretch of Georgia, Arkansas, A&M, OU, and Florida.
Wait, you mean to tell me Texas might lose to their a game against two of their main rivals next year? SEC is the best. You don't get such impressive analysis anywhere else.
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Posted on 12/13/23 at 2:20 pm to VYForever
Having to prepare for more than one game a year is a different proposition. Of course, maybe you are as dumb as Vince Young with that username
Posted on 12/13/23 at 2:22 pm to ColoradoAg
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Having to prepare for more than one game a year is a different proposition.
Yeah, when aggy was in the piss poor Big 12 they only had to prepare for 1 or 2 games a year. Then in the SEC it's a weekly grind to prepare for. How is it that aggy wins more conference games in the SEC than in the Big 12?
Posted on 12/13/23 at 2:23 pm to Boomer Sooner 1890
Well, I didn't expect this thread to take off like it did.
But also why can't anyone answer why A&M and Mizzou went from the Big12 to the SEC and in the first few years had MORE success than they did in the Big12?
Is it because there wasn't any game film on the big bad Mizzou Tigers yet?
Is it because you needed to get see the Aggies fastball and change ups a couple at bats before you could key in and they buzzed through the lineup the first time up, metaphorically speaking?
Also, someone make this make sense lol
But also why can't anyone answer why A&M and Mizzou went from the Big12 to the SEC and in the first few years had MORE success than they did in the Big12?
Is it because there wasn't any game film on the big bad Mizzou Tigers yet?
Is it because you needed to get see the Aggies fastball and change ups a couple at bats before you could key in and they buzzed through the lineup the first time up, metaphorically speaking?
Also, someone make this make sense lol
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So, this Big 12 squad with a freshman quarterback walked into the big bad SEC year one and torched it. The only freshman to ever win the Heisman ran circles around the incredibly deep, NFL full defenses, in really big and loud stadiums? How is that possible?
Posted on 12/13/23 at 2:25 pm to Boomer Sooner 1890
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Wait, you mean to tell me Texas might lose to their a game against two of their main rivals next year?
What are you blabbering about?
Eta what I’m saying is Texas could realistically have 3 conference losses.
This post was edited on 12/13/23 at 2:30 pm
Posted on 12/13/23 at 2:26 pm to VYForever
quote:Well, in A&M's case it was pretty much all Manziel, and then improved recruiting. I can't speak for Mizzou
But also why can't anyone answer why A&M and Mizzou went from the Big12 to the SEC and in the first few years had MORE success than they did in the Big12?
Posted on 12/13/23 at 2:27 pm to Shea Vinnerbush
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Baylor is 1-1 in those games, one of those wins coming AGAINST Ole Miss?
You're not very good at this, are you? Google is totally free btw
2013 Art Briles Fiesta Bowl UCF L 42–52
2014 Art Briles Cotton Bowl MSU L 41–42
2019 Matt Rhule Sugar Bowl † Georgia L 14–26
2021 Dave Aranda Sugar Bowl † Ole Mis W 21–7
You're cherrypicking data with 10 years, 5 years, this decade, that decade. It is not the same.
Posted on 12/13/23 at 2:28 pm to VYForever
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why can't anyone answer why A&M and Mizzou went from the Big12 to the SEC and in the first few years had MORE success than they did in the Big12?
My best guess is newness
Takes a few years getting into the other coaches head and all.
Posted on 12/13/23 at 2:30 pm to CharlotteSooner
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Alabama
Georgia
Tennessee - bad since '99
LSU - up and down but really good when up
Florida - current dumpster fire
Auburn - ungood
Ole Miss - laughing
Texas A&M - laughing harder
LOL
I would put my money on most of the teams mentioned above against OU today.
Posted on 12/13/23 at 2:36 pm to dkreller
Well, it's pretty simple if you're not a complete illiterate. You see, you posted:
Apparently I have to simplify your own words for you. You're saying the SEC is so hard that Texas might lose 1 of the last three games in this five game stretch (I bolded the three to make it easier for you:
Georgia, Arkansas, A&M, OU, and Florida
I mocked your analysis as it was a simpleton's opinion to say Texas might lose a game to their the two rivals, being A&M and OU. You see, in CFB, and sports in general, games against rivals can typically go either way and you "throw out the records" in those games. So you trying to make a point that UT might lose to A&M or OU next year because the SECSECSEC is so hard is pretty fricking elementary. Meaning, it's a pretty fricking stupid thing for you to say. But, that's nothing new for you in this thread.
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Good luck not losing 1 of the last 3 games after going through that 5 game stretch of Georgia, Arkansas, A&M, OU, and Florida.
Apparently I have to simplify your own words for you. You're saying the SEC is so hard that Texas might lose 1 of the last three games in this five game stretch (I bolded the three to make it easier for you:
Georgia, Arkansas, A&M, OU, and Florida
I mocked your analysis as it was a simpleton's opinion to say Texas might lose a game to their the two rivals, being A&M and OU. You see, in CFB, and sports in general, games against rivals can typically go either way and you "throw out the records" in those games. So you trying to make a point that UT might lose to A&M or OU next year because the SECSECSEC is so hard is pretty fricking elementary. Meaning, it's a pretty fricking stupid thing for you to say. But, that's nothing new for you in this thread.
Posted on 12/13/23 at 2:37 pm to BamaGradinTn
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How many national championships have "Iowa State, Kansas State, and similar schools" won during the BCS-CFP era?
There have been six won by four schools not named Alabama or Georgia.
Again, you simply don't do college football very well. You seem to think that the sport started five years ago and that none of those programs who have been dominant still have the resources to do it again.
In the last 11 years the National Championship Game was played by 2 teams in the SEC. 2012, 2017 and 2021. IN 2017 it could have also been Auburn in the playoffs. If the Playoff Selection was based on the 4 best teams this year would have been the fourth time in 11 years it happened. If it had not been for ATM being from the same former conference and the CFP Selection Committee being hell bent on putting Ohio State in the playoff after playing 4 games 2020 would have seen another all SEC Final. ATM shite the bed as teams from that area are wont to do. When was the last time 2 teams from conferences Texas or Oklahoma either one belonged to played for a natty? What's that, never??? Strange that.
As I said earlier, time will tell. Imagining playing moderately well coached teams with 3 star players barely 2 deep on the road in stadiums with 65K people is akin to playing well coached teams loaded with 4 and 5 stars 3 deep in front of 90K rabid fans on the road week in and week out are similar is simply ignoring recent history. Oklahoma and Texas may shock all of the football world and do better in the SEC than they have managed to do in recent history in a recognizably weaker conference.
Posted on 12/13/23 at 2:37 pm to VYForever
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But also why can't anyone answer why A&M and Mizzou went from the Big12 to the SEC and in the first few years had MORE success than they did in the Big12?
I don't know.
Can you tell me why fans of a team with a record of 2-3 to Arkansas since 2000 is talking shite about lower tier SEC teams?
Posted on 12/13/23 at 2:38 pm to Boomer Sooner 1890
No I should have clarified for you…..I said good luck not losing one of the last 3 games AFTER GOING THROUGH A 5 GAME STRETCH.
Keep in mind I just looked at your schedule.
Eta you even quoted me you dumb frick
Eta this is even simpler…..your last 3 games (after said stretch mentioned above) are Kentucky, State, and Vandy.
Keep in mind I just looked at your schedule.
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illiterate
Eta you even quoted me you dumb frick
Eta this is even simpler…..your last 3 games (after said stretch mentioned above) are Kentucky, State, and Vandy.
This post was edited on 12/13/23 at 2:45 pm
Posted on 12/13/23 at 2:39 pm to Cheese Grits
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My best guess is newness
Takes a few years getting into the other coaches head and all.
Yet, this board continues to tell UT and OU fans they're going to get "raped" next year because "they don't have any idea what it's like", etc, etc, etc. It can get confusing for rational, logical, people when they're repeatedly confronted with conclusory claims that aren't supported by actual events.
Posted on 12/13/23 at 2:45 pm to dkreller
Okay, if that 5 game stretch isn't the last 5 on the schedule, who are the last three games against?
Posted on 12/13/23 at 2:46 pm to Boomer Sooner 1890
Read my edit above
Posted on 12/13/23 at 2:51 pm to Boomer Sooner 1890
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It can get confusing for rational, logical, people when they're repeatedly confronted with conclusory claims that aren't supported by actual events.
If OU and Texas both go 7-5 or 8-4 what will your conclusion be?
Posted on 12/13/23 at 2:55 pm to dkreller
Hate to burst your bubble there champ, but UT has lost at least one of their last three the last 8 years and none were to shitty SEC teams. They've lost to TCUx2, KUx2, BUx2, ISUx2, TTx2, WVUx2. I guess those 5 game gauntlets in the Big 12 leading up to the last 3 games really took a toll. Or, maybe, just maybe, it's pretty much the same in every CFB conference.
Just how is it that the SEC is soooo tough that like 8 teams have gone undefeated in conference the last 10 seasons?
Just how is it that the SEC is soooo tough that like 8 teams have gone undefeated in conference the last 10 seasons?
Posted on 12/13/23 at 2:56 pm to Boomer Sooner 1890
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How is it that aggy wins more conference games in the SEC than in the Big 12
Missouri went 5-7 their 1st year in the SEC. The following 2 years they won the East twice. Then they had no notable success until this season
How did A&M do after Manziel left. Did that “success” continue?
Using A&M and Mizzou as success stories coming from the big12 isn’t as good of an example as you think
Posted on 12/13/23 at 2:58 pm to dkreller
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Any coach that has been able to get a few years under their belt at Florida has made them a force to reckon with. It may not have equated to SECCs or NCs but always made them a pain in the arse game….especially in the Swamp.
Muschamp had some of the best defenses and Merlins had a complete team that choked when it all mattered.
Hellllll Florida, Auburn and Tennessee are tough arse outs even when they are fricking lousy. Ole Miss is trending that way. Any one of the 4 would regularly be the 3rd best team in the Big 12 and would win it more than Texas has. UGA has been the most consistently good football program in the nation for about 22 years and counting. LSU has won 3 nattys with 3 coaches, 2 of which are universally recognized as decent coaches at best. 2 of those has been since Texas won one with one of the best coaches they ever had and one of the best players to ever play the game. fricking Gene Chizik won a natty at Auburn since Texas or Oklahoma has won one. Florida has won as many SEC championships as Texas has in the Big 12 in the same time period. Kansas State, Baylor and TCU has won the Big 12 in the same era that Texas has. K State, Baylor and TCU LOL. All 3 of those have been rent a wins for SEC teams in recent history including TCU in the 2022 National Title Game. The Big 12 is probably, on average, better from the top to the middle or beyond than the SEC is past the third best team...but those 3 teams, pick from Alabama, UGA, LSU, Auburn, Florida or Tennessee will be better than the best team in the Big 12 and it won't be close.
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