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re: The real Death Valley of college football

Posted on 5/5/19 at 6:38 pm to
Posted by Dandy Lion
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Posted on 5/5/19 at 6:38 pm to
DEAF
Posted by Tillman
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Posted on 5/5/19 at 7:34 pm to
I don't see a comparison to Miami
Posted by Irons Puppet
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Posted on 5/5/19 at 7:54 pm to
Miami had a spotty history in College Football until Howard Snellenberger took over . They then enjoyed a 10 year stretch were they dominated the opposition. It helped they could pick and choose their schedule and didn’t have to really go thru the gauntlet . Kind of like an ACC schedule. Again, teams used them as a homecoming opponent. They even played their home games on Friday Nights.
Posted by Tillman
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Posted on 5/5/19 at 8:17 pm to
your argument that SEC is tougher would make more sense if SEC teams had a better record against Clemson.

Auburn has lost 4 recent ones to Clemson, and the recent losses by Clemson to Auburn were by 3, 3, and 4 points.

Miami plays in ACC now and hasn't won an ACC title since joining. Maybe that is because it is a tough conference. :)
This post was edited on 5/5/19 at 8:20 pm
Posted by Irons Puppet
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Posted on 5/5/19 at 8:29 pm to
What was the time span of those 4 games?

It shows how far the Miami Program has fallen when the can’t win in the ACC.
Posted by Tillman
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Posted on 5/5/19 at 8:32 pm to
big differences b/t Clemson and MIami

One is public, one is private.

one has a on campus stadium, there other has a stadium far from campus.
Posted by ecb
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Posted on 5/5/19 at 8:32 pm to
Hook too shiny
Posted by Korin
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Posted on 5/5/19 at 8:43 pm to
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Maybe that is because it is a tough conference. :)

Yeah, except for Wake Forest winning it.
Posted by Tillman
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Posted on 5/5/19 at 8:54 pm to
wake was really good for 3 years or so.

that is why SEC was interested in their coach :)
Posted by Korin
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Posted on 5/5/19 at 9:02 pm to
Let us know when Vanderbilt wins the SEC in football.
Posted by Tillman
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Posted on 5/5/19 at 9:14 pm to
From a go good article about Wake's run under Jim Grobe. LINK

13) Bolting Through Oxford
Wake Forest 27, Ole Miss 3 (Sept. 23, 2006)
Although lightning delays may have detracted from the SEC atmosphere, the most powerful bolts of the night were offered by Wake's cadre of capable running backs. Even with Micah Andrews banged up, the Deacs kept it on the ground for 53 of their 58 plays. De'Angelo Bryant led the squad with 105 yards and a touchdown, while Kevin Harris and Mike Rinfrette each added scores of their own. While Wake's offense sludged its way through the sloppy conditions, Ole Miss managed only 26 yards on the ground as the Deacs beat an SEC team for the first time since 1992 and improved to 4-0 for the first time since 1987.

10) Swank Sinks Ole Miss
Wake Forest 30, Ole Miss 28 (Sept. 6, 2008)
In what has to be considered one of the more entertaining ballgames ever waged in Winston, a 41-yarder from Sam Swank with three seconds remaining lifted the 20th-ranked Deacons to a nailbiting two-point triumph. Riley Skinner went 32-for-43 for 267 yards and two scores to match the prolific performance of Rebels QB Jevan Snead, who threw for 253 yards and four touchdowns in the losing effort. Ole Miss took a 28-27 lead with 1:01 remaining, but the Deacs marched 57 yards in 58 seconds to position Swank for the clutch kick that moved Wake Forest to 2-0 on the young season.

) Doak Demolition
Wake Forest 30, Florida State 0 (Nov. 11, 2006)
The score--thirty-to-nothing--is still surreal more than four years later. Not only did Wake Forest win in Tallahassee for the first time since 1959, but the Deacons humiliated the Seminoles, shutting out FSU at home for the first time in Bobby Bowden's 31 seasons on the sideline. The victory gave the 18th-ranked Deacs their ninth win, eclipsing the previous school record of eight. Kevin Patterson's pick-six in the late stages of the third-quarter dispersed the majority of the Tallahassee crowd on a drizzly Florida night, but Wake fans did not seem to mind the wet conditions. For the second straight week, the Deacons had authored a remarkable primetime victory and gained momentum for the anticipated weeks ahead.
This post was edited on 5/5/19 at 9:19 pm
Posted by Korin
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Posted on 5/5/19 at 9:29 pm to
I'm well aware of their "run" during the Grobe years.
Posted by Irons Puppet
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Posted on 5/5/19 at 10:00 pm to
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big differences b/t Clemson and MIami

One is public, one is private.

one has a on campus stadium, there other has a stadium far from campus.



Not really in Football. The big difference is Clemson has to recruit outside a 100 mile radius. Miami doesn't. Miami played a schedule that allowed them to play a few big games a year and play for a NC. Same with Clemson. Miami put themselves in position while UF had some struggles. Clemson built their program up while UT and UGA had some pains. Miami couldn't sustain it after they couldn't hire a good coach. Same will happen when Dabo leaves or some of his coaches.
Posted by Tillman
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Posted on 5/5/19 at 10:47 pm to
people like you not long ago were saying Dabo would never win a title and then he would never win a second one.

it doesn't make much sense to think Clemson won't be a competitive program post Dabo. lol It could happen but it is not a probable thing.

Dabo's doesn't appear to be going anywhere so it is weird you are talking about post Dabo. lol He could be at Clemson another 25 years or more.

you've basically reduced college football to the SEC. the only way a team can play a good schedule is to play a majority of games against SEC teams.

every team can't be in the conference you deem the best.

one way the SEC could prove it is the most competitive league is to beat Alabama more consistently. I don't see much difference b/t SEC now and ACC with FSU back in the day. Bama is on a 8-0 run against LSU and 15-0 run against Tenn for example.

if you think the SEC is as good as it can be right now, you haven't watch much college football the past 30 years.

btw, you don't see Clemson fans complaining about how difficult the ACC is for basketball.

If the ACC is so bad in football, how was Clemson prepared to beat so many SEC teams including two Alabama teams that dominated other SEC teams.

Just a few years ago, FSU beat Auburn in the title game. Both UNC and Miami were close to making playoffs in recent years.

It was great Clemson teams that shut the door on them.
This post was edited on 5/5/19 at 11:02 pm
Posted by Irons Puppet
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Posted on 5/5/19 at 11:23 pm to
I knew that either Clemson or FSU would compete for a NC because they play in the ACC. For a while it came down to a one game season, the FSU fell off the cliff. One game a year makes a team fresh around January when everyone else is limping after a long season.

We don’t even know what will happen to Clemson if they lose some key coaches. I like Dabo, but I still do not know if he is an X’s and O’s coach or has great asst coaches.
This post was edited on 5/6/19 at 5:48 pm
Posted by SpartyGator
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Posted on 5/6/19 at 5:38 am to
MSB
Posted by cutigersfan
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Posted on 5/6/19 at 9:26 am to
actually, an opposing coach coined Clemson memorial stadium being " death valley ", stating that his team always got "killed" there. back in the '50's , I believe.
Posted by cutigersfan
Member since Jan 2019
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Posted on 5/6/19 at 9:37 am to
you have to admit, excluding 'bama , the sec hasn't been the juggernaut that the talking heads and ap/espn ( both media ) polls force upon cfb fans. on the field there isn't as much separation between top teams from different conferences. i'll give you that top to bottom, sec is the toughest.
Posted by Box Geauxrilla
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Posted on 5/6/19 at 10:15 am to
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So much greatness going on in this image.

From the fat arkansas fan, to the derpy mizzou fan, and the USC logo
Posted by Tillman
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Posted on 5/6/19 at 11:10 am to
You can say same thing about every head coach. Bama was better on offense under Kiffen.

Being tired from SEC had nothing to do with Alabama's loss to clemson. Tua was fooled by scheme.

Clemson wins over Auburn were early season.
This post was edited on 5/6/19 at 11:14 am
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