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Posted on 8/11/17 at 12:26 pm to JustGetItRight
Posted on 8/11/17 at 12:26 pm to JustGetItRight
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Even discounting the second NOA, the first one still contained more allegations against Freeze than Nutt.
True. And OM didn't say otherwise. They said the majority of allegations didn't have to do with football, and the majority of the level 1's against football had to do with the former staff. Which were true. Is it misleading, yes. But to say academic fraud is the same as a fca director having dinner with a 3* while a coach is there just because both are classified as level 1's is also misleading. By far the worst thing in either NOA is the academic fraud and the academic fraud is what brought the ncaa in. Did Freeze and the current administration make a load of mistakes? Hell yes, tons of mistakes. But to say Nutt didn't do anything wrong or that OM is using him as a scape joke based on their comments after the first NOA is just a dumb lie.
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Posted on 8/11/17 at 12:27 pm to Whereisomaha
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The reason OM's recruiting got better is because Freeze actually believed in recruiting and did it 365 days.
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Your delusion is comical.
Posted on 8/11/17 at 12:29 pm to Whereisomaha
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This thread and many before it are about OM lying and making Nutt a scape goat
Nope. The threads are a discussion of the claims brought forth by Nutt and Mars. Find a thread started before the suit which claims any wrongdoing on OMs part towards the fine gentleman, Houston Nutt.
You can't. I started the thread 2 weeks before Mars filed, asking about a rumor I heard concerning Nutt and OM. Nobody knew or claimed a single thing. Not even a good , ole fashioned unsubstantiated rumor.
It still boggles my mind how y'all could treat that man so poorly after he devoted himself to OlMiss
Fifty YEARS, WiO !! FIFTY YEARS!!!
Posted on 8/11/17 at 12:31 pm to Whereisomaha
quote:Academic Fraud is brutal, and OM will suffer for that one.
True. And OM didn't say otherwise. They said the majority of allegations didn't have to do with football, and the majority of the level 1's against football had to do with the former staff. Which were true. Is it misleading, yes. But to say academic fraud is the same as a fca director having dinner with a 3* while a coach is there just because both are classified as level 1's is also misleading. By far the worst thing in either NOA is the academic fraud and the academic fraud is what brought the ncaa in. Did Freeze and the current administration make a load of mistakes. Yes, tons of mistakes. But to say Nutt didn't do anything wrong or that OM is using him as a scape joke based on their comments after the first NOA is just a dumb lie.
Running a systematic Booster/Player/Recruit network from within the core of the Athletic Department with multiple coaches intentionally circumventing their own Compliance Department in order to continue the operation is just as scathing and OM will suffer for that one too.
Pointing fingers, using diversion tactics, laying blaming and using scapegoats is par for the course in a massive case like this.
Posted on 8/11/17 at 12:35 pm to roger79
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HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Your delusion is comical.
Help me out sir. So did the new coaching staff pay the players or did the boosters? If its the boosters then why the up-tick in recruiting?
If Nutt's coaches set up an act testing center for players (admitted to this already).. if they went to those lengths, why do you think they weren't paying players like Freeze was? And if they were, once again, why was there an uptick in recruiting?
Posted on 8/11/17 at 12:38 pm to Vecchio Cane
quote:Yes you did, and when I went back to look at that thread, I was siding with OM and called Nutt an idiot. Turns out he was a genius.
I started the thread 2 weeks before Mars filed, asking about a rumor I heard concerning Nutt and OM. Nobody knew or claimed a single thing. Not even a good , ole fashioned unsubstantiated rumor.
Posted on 8/11/17 at 12:42 pm to roger79
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The reason OM's recruiting got better is because Freeze actually believed in recruiting and did it 365 days.
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Your delusion is comical.
I mean seriously. OM is currently walking the plank of one of the largest NCAA infraction cases in decades. There are allegations of RAMPANT disregard for NCAA rules and procedures at nearly every step in the process.
Some OM fans are still talking about the NCAA not having a "smoking gun" or "fca director had dinner, blah blah blah". They talk about Leo Lewis lying. They talk about an NCAA witch hunt.
The NCAA knew y'all were cheating. They came to town, found enough to neuter your program, you lie to them, continue to cheat, they find MORE stuff just to put icing on the cake, and y'all still want to talk about how it's everyone else fault and it's a bunch of minor stuff.
Everything that Ole Miss has experienced in the last couple seasons was a fraud. Understand that. The recruiting classes, the rankings, the bowls, the upset wins. All of that was based on Ole Miss blatantly disregarding the rules that most other schools at least pretend to follow. And y'all are about to pay the price for it for the next decade.
Posted on 8/11/17 at 12:45 pm to Whereisomaha
quote:I don't remember Nutt ever having NCAA cheating issues an any other program prior to OM. Maybe, just maybe Nutt wouldn't allow a "Barney" type operation to function under his nose? IDK?
Help me out sir. So did the new coaching staff pay the players or did the boosters? If its the boosters then why the up-tick in recruiting?
If Nutt's coaches set up an act testing center for players (admitted to this already).. if they went to those lengths, why do you think they weren't paying players like Freeze was? And if they were, once again, why was there an uptick in recruiting?
But it seems obvious that Freeze was hand picked by higher up's to not only turn a blind eye to a "Barney" operation, but to be complicit with the system and at times facilitate the activities when necessary. Going so far as to completely by pass OM Compliance while his coaches falsified recruiting information they provided OM Compliance.
Could be a reason for the uptick in recruiting.
Posted on 8/11/17 at 12:49 pm to Whereisomaha
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Help me out sir. So did the new coaching staff pay the players or did the boosters? If its the boosters then why the up-tick in recruiting?
Ole Miss's recruiting was dog shite for a number of years. Then, out of nowhere, it got great. Then they got slapped with more NCAA infractions that any school in last 30 years.
Case closed.
If you really want the answer. Freeze was brought in by a booster as a package deal with Oher and Hardy. When he got the HC job (again with the support of the biggest boosters), they knew he would let them play the game. He looked the other way while they amped up their efforts, they knew he wouldn't stop them because he was beholden to them. Because Ole Miss is Ole Miss, they set up the operation with almost no discretion or tact and the rest is (or will soon be) history.
Posted on 8/11/17 at 1:05 pm to UAtide11
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Ole Miss's recruiting was dog shite for a number of years. Then, out of nowhere, it got great. Then they got slapped with more NCAA infractions that any school in last 30 years.
Case closed.
If you really want the answer. Freeze was brought in by a booster as a package deal with Oher and Hardy. When he got the HC job (again with the support of the biggest boosters), they knew he would let them play the game. He looked the other way while they amped up their efforts, they knew he wouldn't stop them because he was beholden to them. Because Ole Miss is Ole Miss, they set up the operation with almost no discretion or tact and the rest is (or will soon be) history.
Nailed it.
Posted on 8/11/17 at 1:07 pm to UAtide11
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Ole Miss's recruiting was dog shite for a number of years. Then, out of nowhere, it got great. Then they got slapped with more NCAA infractions that any school in last 30 years.
Case closed.
If you really want the answer. Freeze was brought in by a booster as a package deal with Oher and Hardy. When he got the HC job (again with the support of the biggest boosters), they knew he would let them play the game. He looked the other way while they amped up their efforts, they knew he wouldn't stop them because he was beholden to them. Because Ole Miss is Ole Miss, they set up the operation with almost no discretion or tact and the rest is (or will soon be) history.
That is a very good summary.
Posted on 8/11/17 at 1:15 pm to Vecchio Cane
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Nope. The threads are a discussion of the claims brought forth by Nutt and Mars
exhibit a
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Ole Miss used Houston Nutt as a scapegoat when they were caught, except Nutt hit back
Posted on 8/11/17 at 1:16 pm to Whereisomaha
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exhibit a quote:Ole Miss used Houston Nutt as a scapegoat when they were caught, except Nutt hit back
That was before Mars filed?
Posted on 8/11/17 at 1:18 pm to UAtide11
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and it's a bunch of minor stuff.
Whats not minor?
Academic fraud which happened in Obama's first term under a completely different staff and administration.
and a kid who admitted taking money from others schools, who didn't go to OM, who changed his story multiple times, and is at OM rival says he got 13K.
Outside of those two things, what is considered major and rampant like you said?
This post was edited on 8/11/17 at 1:21 pm
Posted on 8/11/17 at 1:21 pm to Whereisomaha
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a kid who admitted taking money from others schools, who didn't go to OM, who changed his story multiple times,
Source? (please use the OM response to NOA)
Posted on 8/11/17 at 1:22 pm to Vecchio Cane
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That was before Mars filed?
Wait, you think that no one was saying OM tried to blame this all on Nutt when the first NOA came out? Have you never heard Dan Wolken's rants?
Posted on 8/11/17 at 1:23 pm to Whereisomaha
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you think that no one was saying OM tried to blame this all on Nutt when the first NOA came out?
That's not what you claimed
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Have you never heard Dan Wolken's rants?
Nope
Posted on 8/11/17 at 1:24 pm to Vecchio Cane
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Source? (please use the OM response to NOA)
So did you find it odd that in the ncaa response they did not mention details about what leo said in regard to RR? Just like OM didn't use Leos details as it pertains to the attorney. Their responses are structured to sound great. If either put those in their responses it would not look good.
But even better, you assume Leo took money from OM and OM only and went to state for free. The school who was last busted by the NCAA for paying a kid, not for a ride, not for a hotel, not for meal, but to beg him not visit another school. Ok, go with that.
Posted on 8/11/17 at 1:26 pm to Vecchio Cane
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That's not what you claimed
I was arguing with some guy who I quoted saying he OM used nutt as a scapegoat. That has been said multiple times in this thread and multiple times before the law suit. That's what I claimed and is accurate.
Posted on 8/11/17 at 1:26 pm to Whereisomaha
"Freeze put out misleading info to OM writers to save a recruiting class. That's it."
So you don't feel bad about misleading kids into a situation that will affect them, not only short term, but the rest of their life? These are big decisions they are making. If it was your kid, you would be livid.
So you don't feel bad about misleading kids into a situation that will affect them, not only short term, but the rest of their life? These are big decisions they are making. If it was your kid, you would be livid.
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