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re: The NCAA is a total failure
Posted on 7/12/24 at 10:30 pm to jonnyanony
Posted on 7/12/24 at 10:30 pm to jonnyanony
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Not only is that not proof of that, is the opposite; it's evidence of behavior I'm describing. The three year rule came about because of arrangements between the NCAA and NFL to keep players from capitalizing on their skills, back when the NCAA was bigger than the NFL and had leverage.
The NCAA and NFL have 0 agreements in place for such a thing. The NFL has the rule for their own benefit, not the benefit of the NCAA.
And the notion that the NCAA was bigger and gave them leverage is also silly. There is nothing the NCAA could have leverage over the NFL with to force such a rule. What in the world could the NCAA do about it? It's a ridiculous an unfounded assertion.
The NFL has the 3 year rule because they want players who are more mature physically and mentally, while also being coached up more. The NFL doesn't spend a ton of effort on developing players. If they did, these players would just be in farm leagues making 50k a year with very little benefit.
This is like claiming Google and other tech companies have agreements with universities to not hire engineers until after they have a degree. No, they just don't want to hire people until they've been trained for a few years, rather than train them themselves.
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So many examples like this throughout the sport as a way to protect the product at the expense of the players.
And yet you broke out that easily debunked crap?
This post was edited on 7/12/24 at 10:32 pm
Posted on 7/12/24 at 10:50 pm to 3down10
Takes some real cognitive dissonance and naivete to hold water for the NCAA but at least you've got your loyalty. 

Posted on 7/13/24 at 12:44 am to jonnyanony
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Takes some real cognitive dissonance and naivete to hold water for the NCAA but at least you've got your loyalty.
I have no loyalty to the NCAA. I grew up calling them the National Conspiracy Against Alabama.
But if you are going to criticize it, at least know what the frick you are talking about. With so many legitimate reasons to dislike the NCAA, it's not my fault you can't pick one.
Posted on 7/13/24 at 1:08 am to jonnyanony
quote:At the time--Harvard, Yale, and Princeton (primarily).
Are you just doing riddles now? The NCAA - the schools - is "they"
Teddy Roosevelt called the presidents of the three schools to the White House because of the "football crisis" of 1904 (when nearly 20 players died). He threatened to make the sport illegal if they did not do something to regulate the violence.
In 1906, about 60 schools formed the IAAUS, which soon changed its name to NCAA.
Posted on 7/13/24 at 5:07 am to 3down10
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The NCAA spends BILLIONS of dollars a year giving out scholarships
The NCAA has not ever, nor will they ever, give out a single scholarship. In fact, I think they might be barred from doing by their own rules.
This post was edited on 7/13/24 at 5:08 am
Posted on 7/13/24 at 5:20 am to makersmark1
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Hopefully Satan has a TV for Walter Byars to watch the NCAA get their arse handed to them while Walter burns for eternity.
Byers would likely agree with you

Posted on 7/13/24 at 7:29 am to Arkyologist
The NCAA had the ability to negotiate with the athletes years ago and did little. So the courts did it for them and we are now in the revenue-sharing business at 22%.
If the NCAA thinks that revenue sharing can be some type of NIL cap it won't work. The best players are going to want more than their share of 22% for their brand and NIL value. Revenue sharing wouldn't pay for Tennessee and Georgia's QB bill now.
The boosters, I mean "collective" will always bid higher each year for players without some type of federal legislation at this point. The NCAA is helpless to stop the greed from within.
If the NCAA thinks that revenue sharing can be some type of NIL cap it won't work. The best players are going to want more than their share of 22% for their brand and NIL value. Revenue sharing wouldn't pay for Tennessee and Georgia's QB bill now.
The boosters, I mean "collective" will always bid higher each year for players without some type of federal legislation at this point. The NCAA is helpless to stop the greed from within.
Posted on 7/13/24 at 8:30 am to 3down10
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But if you are going to criticize it, at least know what the frick you are talking about.
I do. They absolutely worked with the NFL and the players association in the 60s and 80s to establish a line of demarcation. I'm sorry they're not the good guys you paint them as. They worked against young athletes for decades and that's why they're getting hammered by the courts.
Posted on 7/13/24 at 8:33 am to ouflak
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The NCAA has not ever, nor will they ever, give out a single scholarship
I was going to let that go but yeah. I also found "non profit status" as a point that they are good hilarious. It's a non profit organization built around protecting the collegiate athletic business.
Worked for a long time and the schools thought it would last forever. Oops.
Posted on 7/13/24 at 8:50 am to jonnyanony
3rdand10 doubles down on being stupid at historic levels.
Posted on 7/13/24 at 12:13 pm to ouflak
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The NCAA has not ever, nor will they ever, give out a single scholarship. In fact, I think they might be barred from doing by their own rules.
False.
The NCAA is made up of it's member schools. When you hear the numbers about the NCAA generating billions of dollars, it's talking about the total amount all the schools in the country make.
So if you want to count the billions the NCAA makes in revenue based on the schools, then you have to count the number of scholarships they all give out.
Mind-Blowing Scholarship Stats for 2023
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Annually, the NCAA awards more than $2.9 billion in athletic scholarships to over 150,000 student-athletes.
Posted on 7/13/24 at 12:16 pm to jonnyanony
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I do. They absolutely worked with the NFL and the players association in the 60s and 80s to establish a line of demarcation. I'm sorry they're not the good guys you paint them as. They worked against young athletes for decades and that's why they're getting hammered by the courts.
It's 100% false and you completely made it up. The NFL does not give a shite about the NCAA and the 3 year rule is for it's own benefit, not the benefit of the NCAA.
And for the record, none of the lawsuits and rulings thus far have done ANYTHING towards forcing the schools to pay the players, share revenue or anything else you are claiming.
Posted on 7/13/24 at 12:17 pm to bamameister
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So the courts did it for them and we are now in the revenue-sharing business at 22%.
There is no revenue sharing. NIL is not revenue sharing. NIL is not the schools giving the players anything. They are still making the same amounts from the football programs as they were 20 years ago, aside from things like the stipend etc.
Posted on 7/13/24 at 12:20 pm to pankReb
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3rdand10 doubles down on being stupid at historic levels.
Time proves me right over and over, but people like you refuse to accept the reality.
Same reason I'm banned from the Alabama board.
Posted on 7/13/24 at 12:37 pm to 3down10
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The NCAA is made up of it's member schools.
It is. It is also a separate legal entity. It does not give out scholarships. The member institutions do.
Posted on 7/13/24 at 12:38 pm to jonnyanony
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It is. It is also a separate legal entity. It does not give out scholarships. The member institutions do.
Fine, then it doesn't generate the billions in revenue people like you claim either.
Take your pick. The NCAA either generates billions in revenue and spends billions per year on scholarships.
Or the NCAA doesn't generate billions in revenue and doesn't spend billions per year on scholarships.
This post was edited on 7/13/24 at 12:41 pm
Posted on 7/13/24 at 1:24 pm to jonnyanony
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It definitively does.
LINK

I had a feeling you would try to make this claim while pretending that the money they are given isn't distributed to the conferences/teams outside a little they keep for operating costs.
From your own link:
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The NCAA's expenses reached $1.17 billion, which includes $669 million distributed to the 363 Division I member schools and another $192 million to stage Division I championship events, the men's basketball National Invitational Tournament and other related programs.
More than $100 million was also spent on Division II and III championships and programs, including some distributions back to Division II schools.
So let's do the math. 1.17 billion - 961 million leaves the 209 million they keep for operating costs. Which in turn means the operating costs of the NCAA are generally paid for by the bigger schools which helps the smaller schools(aka everyone outside about 60 schools) financially.
Is it going to make you happy if the NCAA doesn't do the negotiating and distributing? Just done by the conferences/teams themselves?
Are you next going to claim the SEC makes hundreds of millions in revenue because technically things like playoff payments and some contracts are done through them before they distribute it all to the teams?
This post was edited on 7/13/24 at 1:26 pm
Posted on 7/13/24 at 1:30 pm to 3down10
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There is no revenue sharing. NIL is not revenue sharing.
You're trying way too hard with your semantics. I'm well aware of what NIL is in its present form.
There are two important components of this court settlement.
2.8 billion dollars of compensation for lost NIL back to 2016. The second is that it provides the framework where conferences and schools would directly pay student-athletes. Thus the term revenue sharing of TV and ticket money. You know, the profits.
Again, my humble point, it won't be enough to cap the salary in these schools as it does in pro sports. Because it won't eliminate Collectives/Boosters bidding on their NIL talent. It will still be the wild wild West. And the ones with the deepest pockets still win.
Posted on 7/13/24 at 1:42 pm to bamameister
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2.8 billion dollars of compensation for lost NIL back to 2016. The second is that it provides the framework where conferences and schools would directly pay student-athletes. Thus the term revenue sharing of TV and ticket money. You know, the profits.
I'm not sure what you mean for providing a framework for conferences and schools to pay them. There is nothing that limits the NCAA/schools from doing this anytime they want. They could do that at any time, there aren't any restrictions.
Is it in somehow defining their minimums? I guess I can see it in that way. However, are we now going to go around to every company and demand they pay their employees a % of the revenue as defined by a court settlement?
And are you allowed to give some players a higher %?
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Again, my humble point, it won't be enough to cap the salary in these schools as it does in pro sports. Because it won't eliminate Collectives/Boosters bidding on their NIL talent. It will still be the wild wild West. And the ones with the deepest pockets still win.
I agree with you here. It works in the NFL because they have drafts and contracts. But I don't really see how the NCAA can institute a draft. Contracts it can obviously do, but you're still going to have the outside money as you say.
Unless the NCAA was to start enforcing it's own rules and boosters are not allowed to take part in NIL deals for their own schools and/or must show market value if they do. Which is what they should have been doing from the start and is what they do for any other times boosters and players exchange money(within the rules). I don't know why they didn't, the entire mess could have been settled from the start. It is not a restriction on the players, so it doesn't violate anything.
Edit: Title IX can complicate things, not sure how that fits in everything.
This post was edited on 7/13/24 at 1:55 pm
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