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re: The NCAA is a total failure
Posted on 7/12/24 at 3:15 pm to jonnyanony
Posted on 7/12/24 at 3:15 pm to jonnyanony
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The NCAA exists because the government wanted to intervene in the early 1900s and they wanted to keep the government out by assembling a facade of a self-regulating commission.
Who is "they"?
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Posted on 7/12/24 at 3:17 pm to 3down10
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Who is "they"?
Are you just doing riddles now? The NCAA - the schools - is "they"
Posted on 7/12/24 at 3:22 pm to jonnyanony
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Are you just doing riddles now? The NCAA - the schools - is "they"
The schools got together and formed the NCAA, a facade, so they could protect a club sport for a type of business that wouldn't make any revenue for half a century?
Maybe my history is off and college football was in fact a booming business in the early 1900s, but it seems to me like your claim is bullshite. You're describing the NCAA as a solution for a problem that didn't even exist.
This post was edited on 7/12/24 at 3:23 pm
Posted on 7/12/24 at 3:32 pm to 3down10
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The NCAA does nothing to prevent competition, nor do they promote unfair business practices.
They got a 2.8 billon dollar antitrust settlement because this country is full of fricktard leftists who hate success and anything with money and think they need to steal it from it and destroy it.
I thought it was "fricktard leftist" who run all the universities. I guess the shadow cabal of communist forgot whose side the universities were on when they made them pay up.
Posted on 7/12/24 at 3:37 pm to PeleofAnalytics
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I thought it was "fricktard leftist" who run all the universities. I guess the shadow cabal of communist forgot whose side the universities were on when they made them pay up.
Yeah, but they weren't always fricktards. Then they ran out of legitimate shite to cry about and started making up bullshite.
This post was edited on 7/12/24 at 3:40 pm
Posted on 7/12/24 at 4:58 pm to nicholastiger
They were protecting Kansas because of the name.
Posted on 7/12/24 at 6:06 pm to 3down10
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The schools got together and formed the NCAA, a facade, so they could protect a club sport for a type of business that wouldn't make any revenue for half a century?
I never said their motives were financial, so ... no?
Posted on 7/12/24 at 6:41 pm to jonnyanony
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I never said their motives were financial, so ... no?
What was the motive then? What was the government going to intervene in and what would they need a facade to protect?
Posted on 7/12/24 at 6:59 pm to kywildcatfanone
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Sec and big10 should form a new one
If so, then it will only be the ones with the ability to recruit top players regularly.
Posted on 7/12/24 at 7:03 pm to 3down10
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What was the motive then? What was the government going to intervene in and what would they need a facade to protect?
I guess I'm Google.com today
The federal government was considering banning football because of safety issues. The colleges tried to curtail this by proposing a self regulating body, which was enough to get Teddy Roosevelt off their asses.
They used this as a buffer over the next eighty+ years to build a massive industry on the banks of athletes under the guise of amateurism.
Posted on 7/12/24 at 7:14 pm to jonnyanony
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I guess I'm Google.com today
The federal government was considering banning football because of safety issues. The colleges tried to curtail this by proposing a self regulating body, which was enough to get Teddy Roosevelt off their asses.
They used this as a buffer over the next eighty+ years to build a massive industry on the banks of athletes under the guise of amateurism.
So they addressed the safety issues, and then turned it into a cartel after the sports became popular?
In what way was it a facade if safety issues were addressed?
You do understand the NCAA doesn't make a profit right? All the revenue that is generated is used to the benefit of athletes.
This post was edited on 7/12/24 at 7:16 pm
Posted on 7/12/24 at 7:16 pm to 3down10
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So they addressed the safety issues, and then turned it into a cartel after the sports became popular?
They addressed the safety issues? Not really. Became a cartel? I didn't say that.
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All the revenue that is generated is used to the benefit of athletes
Posted on 7/12/24 at 7:18 pm to jonnyanony
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They addressed the safety issues? Not really. Became a cartel? I didn't say that.
How did they not address them? They are constantly doing things for safety and have been for a long time. Too much IMO.
And what you have described is a cartel.
The NCAA spends BILLIONS of dollars a year giving out scholarships alone. Laugh at that, but that is what you think is so sinister.
Posted on 7/12/24 at 7:25 pm to RT1941
The NCAA is controlled by a select few schools not ever school gets a say.
Posted on 7/12/24 at 7:32 pm to 3down10
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And what you have described is a cartel.
Perhaps that's why the courts have started ruling against them.
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The NCAA spends BILLIONS of dollars a year giving out scholarships alone.
That sounds real sweet until you realize they earned 100x that off their backs. You can believe the NCAA is altruistic or that the Easter Bunny is real but it's not a very realistic view of their history.
Posted on 7/12/24 at 7:51 pm to jonnyanony
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Perhaps that's why the courts have started ruling against them.
No, it's because leftist view everyone with money as evil and think it needs to be destroyed and distributed.
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That sounds real sweet until you realize they earned 100x that off their backs. You can believe the NCAA is altruistic or that the Easter Bunny is real but it's not a very realistic view of their history.
No, they have not earned it off their backs.
Do you also think we should be going into companies and forcing them to pay their employees more because "they are earning 100x what they are paid"?
You're basically screwing over 99% of athletes over the claims that 1% deserve more money. It's stupid.
This post was edited on 7/12/24 at 7:53 pm
Posted on 7/12/24 at 7:57 pm to TheFourHorsemen
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The NCAA is controlled by a select few schools not ever school gets a say.
It would probably be better if that was the case, but it's not.
The problem with the NCAA is they have to make rules that apply to big and small schools, and often times the small schools get in the way. They've tried to find ways around this like different divisions and so on, but right now they have to keep certain costs low for the schools that are always in the red.
So take a stipend, which is 5000 last I heard. If it was just the bigger/richer schools, they could bump that up. But when you have to start looking at the smaller schools, it becomes an unfair advantage if they can't pay it.
And you can't prevent the smaller schools from choosing what division they want to compete in. That would be antitrust issue, a real one. So they can only set certain guidelines etc.
There has been talk of giving the P5 more control over themselves and that would change things, and I do remember they did give some concessions for the P5. But I haven't heard anything about it lately.
Posted on 7/12/24 at 8:17 pm to 3down10
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No, they have not earned it off their backs.
They absolutely have.
Posted on 7/12/24 at 8:26 pm to jonnyanony
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They absolutely have.
Not really, and proof of that is that there isn't any competition to the NCAA. For some reason nobody can produce a better product, or a product that is even remotely close to it.
Maybe because people only watch the players due to their interest in the schools. Maybe because the schools and such have invested all the money that is made back into their athletics department.
Do you remotely understand how many schools out there lose money on sports? Do you understand the difference between revenue and profit?
This post was edited on 7/12/24 at 8:27 pm
Posted on 7/12/24 at 9:16 pm to 3down10
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Not really, and proof of that is that there isn't any competition to the NCAA. For some reason nobody can produce a better product, or a product that is even remotely close to it.
Not only is that not proof of that, is the opposite; it's evidence of behavior I'm describing. The three year rule came about because of arrangements between the NCAA and NFL to keep players from capitalizing on their skills, back when the NCAA was bigger than the NFL and had leverage.
So many examples like this throughout the sport as a way to protect the product at the expense of the players.
This post was edited on 7/12/24 at 9:17 pm
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