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Posted on 7/19/22 at 3:29 pm to
Posted by Irons Puppet
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Posted on 7/19/22 at 3:29 pm to
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Are we talking about official NCAA records, or not? If not, then USC is the undisputed National Champion in 2004. If so, then USC didn’t field a team in 2005, per the NCAA. Which way would you like it?


They are not the NC by any recognized group. Nobody recognizes the AP or any other source after the BCS was formed. The reason the AP didn't vacate that trophy was because they have never taken one back and they were not willing to have a revote 6 years later. Pretty simple.

Your argument about forfeits is FOS. You even admitted the last forfeiture by the NCAA was in 98. The facts are schools do not forfeit on their own , but they will vacate. The NCAA does not vacate on their own, but they will forfeit if schools resist.

What was Shula's bonus ( I don't think Saban has it in his contract) if he come up one win short of a large bonus and the NCAA awarded him that win? Would the school pay 6 years later? Reverse that if they forfeited a win 6 years later. Does Bama go after that bonus? That dumbass is the real effects of vacates and forfeits, but I guess that goes over your head.

Posted by Irons Puppet
Birmingham
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Posted on 7/19/22 at 3:31 pm to
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I am a man of the people, doing the Lord’s work.


I known Bammers are referring to L Ron Hubbard when they make statements like this.
Posted by Tuscaloosa
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Posted on 7/19/22 at 3:52 pm to
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They are not the NC by any recognized group. Nobody recognizes the AP or any other source after the BCS was formed.


This is among the dumbest things you’ve ever posted. The BCS was just a computer ranking system that even used the coaches poll as a part of the formula. The Coaches Trophy - you know, the Crystal Ball, is still sitting on display in Los Angeles.

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The facts are schools do not forfeit on their own , but they will vacate. The NCAA does not vacate on their own, but they will forfeit if schools resist.


This is still wrong, and I’m not sure why you post this over an over again - even when I’ve provided you with the literal NCAA published manual on statistics and record keeping. No school has ever vacated a win on their own. Ever. Prove me wrong.
Posted by Marktastic86
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Posted on 7/19/22 at 3:57 pm to
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Irons Puppet


Why are you so incapable of admitting you're wrong? Even if you don't verbally admit it, just stop posting. You've been proven to be misinformed on every single page of this thread. It's time.

Posted by Nitro Express
Gulf Coast
Member since Jul 2018
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Posted on 7/19/22 at 4:24 pm to
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Why are you so incapable of admitting you're wrong? Even if you don't verbally admit it, just stop posting. You've been proven to be misinformed on every single page of this thread. It's time


Posted by BLG
Georgia
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Posted on 7/19/22 at 4:43 pm to
This dummy just thinks he's irritating Alabama fans and as another poster noted, just trying to spin away from how stupid the original post looks already.
Posted by Irons Puppet
Birmingham
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Posted on 7/19/22 at 5:12 pm to
You are consistently FOS. The BCS the first attempt at take the championship out the hands of reporters and SIDs alone and added the computers. It failed.

The Crystal ball is there because they are not going to take it back after 6 years. It has nothing to do with acknowledging they are the true Champions, it's a reflection on them not wanting to admit a member institution cheated. Plus they have to go back to a few other schools about post crowning behavior.

You were the one who claimed about forfeits by the NCAA and how they do not exist anymore (1998). You step on your own dick and don't realize it. Prove you wrong, you do that on your own. Lol lol.
Posted by Tuscaloosa
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Posted on 7/19/22 at 5:16 pm to
I told you I’d never post again if you can show me anywhere that the NCAA issues vacancies/forfeitures based on whether or not a school cooperates. You’ve stated that as an absolute fact throughout this thread and made fun of others for supposedly “not understanding how the NCAA works.”

You’ve posted over and over again that schools willingly vacate wins as a part of self imposed penalization. I’ve challenged you to show any instance of that ever happening.

You’ve got an opportunity to keep me from ever posting again, and an opportunity to show everyone here you’re not an idiot.

Seems like a simple task. I’ll wait here.
Posted by RT58
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Posted on 7/19/22 at 5:25 pm to
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Posted by Irons Puppet
Birmingham
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Posted on 7/19/22 at 5:32 pm to
You think that would be published info? You are so naïve. Read each of the statements released by the school and the NCAA and follow the progression of the cases. I have seen how things work and it is obviously over your head. Your attitude is similar to UAts when they were "staring down a barrel of a gun" for something that would have gotten them in that much less trouble. Stupidly and arrogance.
Posted by Tuscaloosa
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Posted on 7/19/22 at 5:51 pm to
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You think that would be published info?


Literally everything else is published - why in the world would that part not be?

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I have seen how things work and it is obviously over your head.


CLEARLY

FWIW, and I’ve already stated this - schools don’t have any authority over the record books. They do not have the ability or administrative authority to dictate anything about the official record book. Not wins, losses, vacated wins, scores, or anything else. Every single bit of that is controlled by the NCAA. No school has ever voluntarily vacated wins because they don’t have the authority to do so, nor would they want to.
Posted by Murph4HOF
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Posted on 7/19/22 at 5:52 pm to
Irons Puppets works glory holes on I-85.

I can prove it, but it isn't published info.
Posted by EarlyCuyler3
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Posted on 7/19/22 at 5:52 pm to
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Stupidly and arrogance.


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by Irons Puppet




Posted by Irons Puppet
Birmingham
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Posted on 7/19/22 at 5:57 pm to
CurlyPubs3 you can do better than that. Or can you?
Posted by Irons Puppet
Birmingham
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Posted on 7/19/22 at 6:01 pm to
I don't travel I-85 , it takes you into that new liberal hellhole of a state called Georgia. shite beaches, crowded lakes and the biggest shithole of a city next to Dallas.
Posted by Irons Puppet
Birmingham
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25901 posts
Posted on 7/19/22 at 6:07 pm to
The NCAA proceedings are like an legal event. The accused give their info with a recommendation on punishment if their hands are in the cookie jar. The NCAA accepts those findings or adds to them based on their own investigation. Then a public release is made by the NCAA. You will never read about the negotiations involved. AU has had some great attorneys.
Posted by Tuscaloosa
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Posted on 7/19/22 at 6:09 pm to
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The accused give their info with a recommendation on punishment if their hands are in the cookie jar. The NCAA accepts those findings or adds to them based on their own investigation. Then a public release is made by the NCAA. You will never read about the negotiations involved. AU has had some great attorneys.


Self imposed penalties are always made public and are always addressed by the NCAA. There is no negotiation surrounding vacating or forfeiting wins. If a team played an ineligible player, that game is vacated.
Posted by Irons Puppet
Birmingham
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Posted on 7/19/22 at 6:18 pm to
No, not unless the school knew he was ineligible at the time of the game. AU played some what was later determined to be ineligible in BB due to money and agents. AU never vacated any wins. That is not how it works.
Posted by Murph4HOF
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Posted on 7/19/22 at 6:20 pm to
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a state called Georgia
That state where yall haven't scored a TD since 2018?
Posted by Tuscaloosa
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Posted on 7/19/22 at 6:21 pm to
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No, not unless the school knew he was ineligible at the time of the game.


No. That’s not how it works. Bama vacated wins because players were selling textbooks for cash and the coaching staff didn’t know anything about it.
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