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re: The 25 scholarship limit
Posted on 2/3/12 at 9:10 am to GoSaintz
Posted on 2/3/12 at 9:10 am to GoSaintz
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Saban can blame the system, but he's the one who decides whether to honor a commitment or take away an opportunity.
And what opportunity did he take away? We offered three grey shirts to three players. One signed with LSU, another signed with Arkansas, and the last one signed with Kentucky. All three of them are Division I, Southeastern Conference schools. How did he take away their opportunity again?
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Posted on 2/3/12 at 9:12 am to RollTide1987
If you have a 85 total limit it makes sense to have a 25/year limit... because you should not be running through more than 25 per year if you intend to keep most of your players for 4-5 years
Of course people like Saban play with the rules - because it provides a competitive advantage. And of course it is the job of the NCAA to enforce the intent of the rules because you would like the interests of the student athlete to be represented
Of course people like Saban play with the rules - because it provides a competitive advantage. And of course it is the job of the NCAA to enforce the intent of the rules because you would like the interests of the student athlete to be represented
Posted on 2/3/12 at 9:15 am to molsusports
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And of course it is the job of the NCAA to enforce the intent of the rules because you would like the interests of the student athlete to be represented
The NCAA lost that argument when they took Alfy Hill out of classes. The NCAA is made up of the University's. They're not about the students' best interests, most of the time.
Posted on 2/3/12 at 9:15 am to molsusports
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And of course it is the job of the NCAA to enforce the intent of the rules because you would like the interests of the student athlete to be represented
They can't even interpret their own rules, much less enforce them. The lettering is so vague that any coach can find and exploit a loop hole.
Posted on 2/3/12 at 9:16 am to KPCrimson
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The truth is, the kid knew several months ago that this was a possibility
That is really funny, since both kids said they were told repeatedly that they still had a scholarship. They didn't find out until late in the game that they were lied to. Typical Gump comeback is going to be, "Well how do you know they were told that? Were you in the room?" Unbelievable how something so wrong and in black and white can somehow be spun so that it's OK, because damn we won a NC! Saban can do no wrong, he is above doing anything remotely immoral. Why? Because we won a NC! Rawl blind followers!
Posted on 2/3/12 at 9:16 am to Alahunter
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The NCAA lost that argument when they took Alfy Hill out of classes. The NCAA is made up of the University's. They're not about the students' best interests, most of the time.
Mother frackin' this. The NCAA screwed Alfy Hill BIG time. Dude was already on campus, working out with the team, when the NCAA came in and said, "Oh wait, we can't accept this class. You have to leave."
Posted on 2/3/12 at 9:17 am to RedMustang
Probably will win another before yall do an SEC crown. 
Posted on 2/3/12 at 9:18 am to RollTide1987
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And of course it is the job of the NCAA to enforce the intent of the rules because you would like the interests of the student athlete to be represented
They can't even interpret their own rules, much less enforce them. The lettering is so vague that any coach can find and exploit a loop hole.
they do a shitty job in many instances but that does not mean they should not do better
Posted on 2/3/12 at 9:19 am to RedMustang
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That is really funny, since both kids said they were told repeatedly that they still had a scholarship. They didn't find out until late in the game that they were lied to.
Saban straight up TOLD them both about the possibility of only being offered a grey shirt. He never said that it was a certainty, he told them that it was a possibility and both players should have planned accordingly. I feel bad how it all went down, but I don't see why a school can't withdraw a commitment to a player when players do it all the time - sometimes even on Signing Day.
This post was edited on 2/3/12 at 9:20 am
Posted on 2/3/12 at 9:27 am to attheua
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All you bleeding hearts want to cry for the 1 or 2 kids that had an unexpected greyshirt offered are missing the bigger picture
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"I'm old-fashioned. I think a commitment is a commitment. We tell guys when they commit that we want the recruiting to be over or we really don't want them to commit."
Posted on 2/3/12 at 9:33 am to Alahunter
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I said mainly.
If you had watched the 2011 Auburn team, you may have noticed that 4-star WR Antonio Goodwin and fullback Eric Smith were greatly needed.
Posted on 2/3/12 at 9:46 am to jddawg58
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If you cannot see or understand that this situation was both preventable and and was caused by the Alabama staff, then future discussion is futile. The kid did nothing wrong. The staff mislead him. The fact that he signed with Arkansas does not negate the fact that the Bama staff mislead him. If you won't acknowledge this most basic circumstance then you fail to acknowledge the most basic tenets of human decency. I don't like it when a kid is taken advantage of by a more powerful entity, and then is kicked to the curb.
You would be raising cain if Philon had done what Gunner Kiel did, which cost LSU a recruit (Patrick Miller). UA is an honorable institution and we should expect our athletic department representatives to act like it.
Thank god there's places like tigerdroppings so all SEC fans can be exposed to the best-of-the-best of Bama fans. Thank you, jddawg58.
And then (much to jddawg and his brethren's great chagrin) there are AlaHunter, BeerBryant, and their ilk.
Posted on 2/3/12 at 9:55 am to RollTide1987
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The NCAA lost that argument when they took Alfy Hill out of classes. The NCAA is made up of the University's. They're not about the students' best interests, most of the time.
Mother frackin' this.
Then leave.
I hear this from Bama fans all the time... "We don't need y'all... y'all need US!" (with regard to the SEC and the NCAA).
THEN LEAVE.
Let's see how well y'all do with that.
This post was edited on 2/3/12 at 9:56 am
Posted on 2/3/12 at 10:32 am to RollTide1987
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Maybe you should refresh my memory on this case, because it sounds to me, from your post, like bama bent the rules again, got caught, and was told they couldn't do it, and you are all pissy about it.
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The NCAA lost that argument when they took Alfy Hill out of classes. The NCAA is made up of the University's. They're not about the students' best interests, most of the time.
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Mother frackin' this. The NCAA screwed Alfy Hill BIG time. Dude was already on campus, working out with the team, when the NCAA came in and said, "Oh wait, we can't accept this class. You have to leave."
Maybe you should refresh my memory on this case, because it sounds to me, from your post, like bama bent the rules again, got caught, and was told they couldn't do it, and you are all pissy about it.
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