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re: Texas A&M/Missouri to the SEC decision could happen soon
Posted on 8/2/11 at 1:39 pm to bfniii
Posted on 8/2/11 at 1:39 pm to bfniii
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as far as attendance, i bet it would pick up when bama or auburn rolls into town
That would be like a home game for Auburn. Auburn probably has more fans in ATL than GT. And they're a hell of a lot more dedicated.
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Posted on 8/2/11 at 1:42 pm to Linkovich
Another reason for wanting FSU is that it is the only BCS school that's smack in the middle of the SEC. Taking FSU would hurt the ACC more than any other feasible candidate.
Posted on 8/2/11 at 1:49 pm to Indiana Tiger
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Taking FSU would hurt the ACC more than any other feasible candidate.
I did not know that we are in competition with the ACC. Four schools I absolutely do not want under any circumstances are: Clemson, FSU, GT or Miami.
Posted on 8/2/11 at 1:59 pm to RhodeIslandRed
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I did not know that we are in competition with the ACC. Four schools I absolutely do not want under any circumstances are: Clemson, FSU, GT or Miami.
From a business perspective it's pretty self-evident that we are in competition with them. Specifically, I was referring to hurting them from a football recruiting perspective. With 2 schools, and with smart scheduling, a lot of ACC schools can play in the state of FL every year. That gives them great exposure to talent. With only Miami at the tip of the state, recruiting FL becomes more expensive and difficult. Likewise the SEC as a whole gains. It's also why we should be looking at two schools from TX. Personally, I would invest in TCU due to location.
Posted on 8/2/11 at 2:17 pm to Indiana Tiger
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TCU
Maybe before the four I mentioned but
Posted on 8/2/11 at 2:18 pm to RhodeIslandRed
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I did not know that we are in competition with the ACC. Four schools I absolutely do not want under any circumstances are: Clemson, FSU, GT or Miami.
I strongly agree. Those schools do absolutely nothing market wise. FSU would solidify the state of Florida but I'd rather pass on them than risk pissing off UF. Texas A&M is a given. The problem is that the ideal expansion model to complement A&M's addition is to take a current ACC member from either the state of North Carolina or Virginia.
I think you take one of these 3 ACC teams if they agree to jump:
1) UNC - I realize they're a long shot but they are a dominant presence in the state of NC and the market addition is obvious. Solid potential in football and legendary basketball. Strong baseball too.
2) Virginia Tech - My personal favorite. Very good football program that opens up the Virginia and DC markets in a big way.
3) NC State - Most SEC like program in North Carolina. Respectable in football and basketball. At least decent influence and market power in the state.
Ideally, you add A&M to the West and one of these 3 to the East and your done with expansion. One extra interdivision game a year with 2 brand new markets would be a no brainer imho.
Posted on 8/2/11 at 2:25 pm to RhodeIslandRed
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Maybe before the four I mentioned
I think a second team in TX would be very beneficial. If you can't get TX, then who would you choose? I would pick DFW over Lubbuck or Waco. As I mentioned, it would be an investment, but there is a lot of potential. Want to resurrect SMU?
Posted on 8/2/11 at 2:31 pm to busey
quote:ga tech attendance isn't quite as bad as you're making it out.
That would be like a home game for Auburn. Auburn probably has more fans in ATL than GT
ga tech attendance
i still think that with regular top 25 teams coming to town, things would look different for them. much more to look forward to
Posted on 8/2/11 at 2:31 pm to Indiana Tiger
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I think a second team in TX would be very beneficial. If you can't get TX, then who would you choose? I would pick DFW over Lubbuck or Waco. As I mentioned, it would be an investment, but there is a lot of potential. Want to resurrect SMU?
This is a very long thread so maybe you didn't see my earlier comments. I haven't read the entire thread either. In this order these are the schools I'd like to add to the SEC: 1) Texas A&M; 2) Virginia Tech; 3) Mizzou, and, 4) NC State.
A few years ago VT would have jumped all over an SEC bid, but the landscape has since changed. I don't see them leaving the ACC nearly as readily as they would have left the Big East.
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Posted on 8/2/11 at 2:33 pm to Indiana Tiger
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If you can't get TX, then who would you choose?
UTexas is a problem, never a solution.
I hope an expansion won't be needed. If it gets to that point, A&M and/or Missouri would probably be the best. And OU has a dysfunctional/co-dependent relationship with UTexas.
Want to resurrect SMU?
I always liked SMU, but HELL no.
This post was edited on 8/2/11 at 2:36 pm
Posted on 8/2/11 at 2:34 pm to Govt Tide
I would be pro UNC, but what makes you think "potential" means anything at all in the SEC when they've been mediocre in the ACC for most of their existence.
Posted on 8/2/11 at 2:55 pm to bfniii
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i still think
There's your problem. Let me list everything wrong with adding Tech out for you, just like multiple other posters have done, in hopes that something might get through to you:
1. Recruiting Competition - no way AU and UGA support Tech coming back and putting themselves on even recruiting ground with us and taking ATL area+ recruits that would otherwise go to AU or UGA to play in the SEC.
2. Small Enrollment - Tech's a relatively small school with an even smaller following. This adds very few televisions that would be watching SEC games on Saturdays, and with the Atlanta area already locked up, we would be much better off bringing in a larger school in a market we don't have access to yet.
3. Lack of Football Power - Not only are they not a very good football team to begin with, but they left the SEC because Dodd didn't want to compete (recruiting and fruits of it). Not to mention the fact that they just got HAMMERED, and are currently on probation, which is the last thing the SEC needs another team on.
Posted on 8/2/11 at 2:58 pm to TheSandman
culturally clemson is as SEC as it gets.
Posted on 8/2/11 at 3:13 pm to RhodeIslandRed
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This is a very long thread so maybe you didn't see my earlier comments.
I'm sure I saw them, but if you think I remember who the frick said what...
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1) Taxas A&M; 2) Virginia Tech; 3) Mizzou, and, 4) NC State.
A lot of this depends on how many schools the SEC would add. I think if they add one, namely A&M, then a lot of schools come into play (I think the Big 12 will collapse) and they go to maybe 16.
Some general principles that I would use as a starting point.
1. TX and FL are big enough to support and it is desirable to have two teams. GA would be big enough, but there are so many teams that are so close to the border that another team isn't necessary or beneficial.
2. In all other states, the candidate must be the dominant team.
3. It is preferable for the state to be contiguous to the SEC to develop natural rivals.
A&M-no brainer
VT-I think they are an outlier even though they are adjacent to TN. If you can't get a NC team, it would be like they were standing in a corner.
MO- Not a bad choice at all, even though it doesn't feel right. Columbia is further north than Blacksburg, but the state touches Ark, KT, and TN. I can see why Ark would support it.
NCSt--I don't think any of the old ACC members, particularly in NC will leave. Better chance with them than NC though. However, I do not like that they are not the dominant team in state.
If A&M leaves, I think all the significant players will bail and look for another home. I would take OK, but I don't think OK wants the SEC and they will try to resurrect the PAC if they can. I don't like TT, Baylor, or OkSt. I think TCU would be a better long term bet than those teams.
In the East, if I can't get NC, then FSU would be the next choice as it would be best for the SEC as a whole.
Posted on 8/2/11 at 3:18 pm to 1999
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culturally clemson is as SEC as it gets.
Totally agree - probably #1 along w/ FSU.
Unfortunately to some extent, the priorities in order will be:
1) Add households to SEC TV footprint (i.e. population size and potential conference TV contract $$)
2) Conflicts w/ current members
3) Athletic success
4) Culture
5) Proximity to current SEC footprint (contiguous?)
6) History w/ SEC - hurts Ga Tech & FSU
7) Academic stature
This is why all of the Clemson, FSU, Ga Tech and Miami suggestions are in vain.
Posted on 8/2/11 at 3:28 pm to SwatMitchell
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This is why all of the FSU suggestions are in vain.
Not wanting FSU is short sighted. The teams that think they have conflicts with FSU are fooling themselves. Having them in the conference will strengthen the conference as a whole due to their strategic location. It would minimize out of SEC games in the state of FL and make recruiting more expensive and difficult for other conferences.
Posted on 8/2/11 at 3:35 pm to TheSandman
quote:if you think slive cares about this, then you're naive
Recruiting Competition
quote:you can call 20k "relatively small" or you can admit that they wouldn't even be close to the smallest school in the sec. as has already been pointed out, joining the sec would be a shot in the arm for their fanbase. their attendance isn't bad and people here are underselling their market share in gigantic atlanta for emotional reasons.
Small Enrollment
quote:ga tech would be middle of the pack. given what they bring to the table, that seems ideal for the sec. a repectable to very good fb team but, not a killer powerhouse like oklahoma.
Lack of Football Power
quote:so is half the sec most of the time
currently on probation
Posted on 8/2/11 at 3:40 pm to bfniii
the sec rejecting ga tech would be like the pac 12 rejecting ucla because they "already have l.a. locked up" with usc/ariz/ariz st, etc.
Posted on 8/2/11 at 3:45 pm to bfniii
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the sec rejecting ga tech would be like the pac 12 rejecting ucla because they "already have l.a. locked up" with usc/ariz/ariz st, etc.
Well, if UCLA was in the MWC, like Utah, then they probably would reject them because they wouldn't bring in enough to justify the payout.
Posted on 8/2/11 at 3:45 pm to Indiana Tiger
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Columbia is further north than Blacksburg
True, but we added Arkansas and South Carolina. Fayetteville and Columbia are not exactly down the street.
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the state touches Ark, KT, and TN. I can see why Ark would support it.
You noticed that too.
Missouri borders more SEC states than Florida, Kentucky, Louisiana or South Carolina, and as many as Arkansas.
This post was edited on 8/2/11 at 3:48 pm
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