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re: Spurrier doesn't think the SEC should keep permanent cross-division foes.

Posted on 4/24/13 at 9:31 pm to
Posted by LSUNV
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Posted on 4/24/13 at 9:31 pm to
Duck, you had to much logic in your post. Better dial that shite down
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 4/24/13 at 9:50 pm to
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Dude has a point. If they didn't want out then why is it continuously brought up?




I don't know why i have to say this over and over and over but I guess I do. It's not about our schedule being too hard, it's about certain other teams' schedule being too easy.
Posted by Sheetbend
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Posted on 4/24/13 at 9:57 pm to
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Actually, I think LSU would have fallen off already if they wouldnt have gotten Chavis


Where would LSU be if they hadn't lost Saban, and where would Bama be without Saban. It goes both ways.
Posted by JuiceTerry
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Posted on 4/24/13 at 9:58 pm to
Drac, are you saying outside of the last two seasons? (bridge schedules) Because the numbers don't back that up..
Posted by Sheetbend
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Posted on 4/24/13 at 10:10 pm to
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no one has said the bridge schedule didn't screw LSU....


You mean no one from the SEC League office has said the bridge schedlue didn't screw LSU?

Do you have that in writing?
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 4/24/13 at 10:12 pm to
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Because the numbers don't back that up


I have explained, over and over, that I don't believe Tennessee is likely to return to the levels they enjoyed before the proliferation of college football on television because it's very unlikely a gamechanging coach would take that job because of their in-state talent disadvantages.

ergo, I believe Alabama has a built in schedule advantage by getting to play them every year.

Take the example of 2006. LSU, Auburn and Arkansas all beat each other, but because their permanent opponent was South Carolina, Arkansas went to the SEC Championship Game.

Now lets say you're right, and Tennessee somehow someway is a worldbeater again, as is Florida. If Alabama, LSU and Arkansas all beat each other and tie for first in the SEC West, then it will likely come down to what each team does against their Eastern Division opponent. Lets say all 3 get easy W's for their rotational opponent. LSU and Alabama will play top flight teams and Texas Arkansas will play weak Missouri. They now have a built in advantage and an easier path to get to Atlanta. I don't believe that's the way things should be set up.
Posted by USMC Gators
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Posted on 4/24/13 at 10:14 pm to
SC almost beat us that year, we had to block a fg at the end. I also believe that UT finished in the final top 15.
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 4/24/13 at 10:16 pm to
And heaven forbid Ole Miss ever get good enough to get involved with this with their Vandy perm opponent.
Posted by LSU GrandDad
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Posted on 4/24/13 at 10:21 pm to
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ollege Football is what it is because of rivalry and traditions, we're not gonna piss on that because some of you can't handle playing a good team every year


frick you. this is a big boy league and letting one team skate is bull shite. the SEC is a league and everybody should play everybody as much as the number of games allows. allowing bama and usually georgia skate is bull shite. maybe y'all should just lower your percentage take from the league coffers to play your priviledged schedule. frick you, frick UT, frick auburn and georgia and frick all of y'all that think you are better than the rest of us. it's high time we had some fairness in this god damn conference.
Posted by Noodles
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Posted on 4/24/13 at 10:21 pm to
LSU has the talent and coaching to beat anyone in the SEC. 2011 proved that. Don't let the schedule become an excuse for our own retardness (at times). We could have won all the games we lost this past season. Everybody who was at the Bama game last year knows we blew it, and if it weren't for the idiotic Beckham fumble against UF the game would have been much different.

We should quit worrying about Alabama's schedule and just worry about beating them in Bryant-Denny again.

I think we have the toughest schedule in the country this year, but at the same time there is no reason why we can't beat any of the teams we face.

Like I said, the real problem with the current format is the number of years between facing certain schools.
Posted by Sheetbend
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Posted on 4/24/13 at 10:29 pm to
When Florida ended their annual game agaisnt Miami in 1987, the Canes fans accused the Gators of being afraid of losing. At the time, Miami had won 7 of the last 10 match-ups and had just earned its second national championship.

So much for keeping a long standing traditional game against a powerful opponent.

Posted by USMC Gators
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Posted on 4/24/13 at 10:31 pm to
And they joined the Big East over the SEC in the early 90's, so what's your point?
Posted by Noodles
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Posted on 4/24/13 at 10:31 pm to
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When Florida ended their annual game agaisnt Miami in 1987, the Canes fans accused the Gators of being afraid of losing. At the time, Miami had won 7 of the last 10 match-ups and had just earned its second national championship.

So much for keeping a long standing traditional game against a powerful opponent.


I think it's disingenuous in the context of this discussion to cite an example from 25 years ago, regardless of whether you are correct or not. Additionally there is no reason to expect Florida to play Miami and FSU every year as well as their SEC slate.
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 4/24/13 at 10:32 pm to
I like our schedule and the big games that we get to play in, I'm just tired of certain schools getting cupcake after cupcake and oh look they haven't played a soul and are undefeated and get to focus all their energies to get up for this one game against us.
Posted by labamafan
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Posted on 4/24/13 at 10:38 pm to
DRAC even if we rotate with no permanent opponents there is still no guarantee that that scenario will not play out arbitrarily anyway. I am all for us getting two more team's geographically further west that are at least equal in talent and prestige to Alabama and Auburn and move us to the east. As it is now the divisions are separated as equally as possible. I disagree on TN just because they are beginning to obtain the kind of talent to be competitive but will not have the depth for a couple of more years. If Spurrier do this at SC, I don't see why TN can't be competitive again.
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 4/24/13 at 10:40 pm to
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DRAC even if we rotate with no permanent opponents there is still no guarantee that that scenario will not play out arbitrarily anyway.


At least then it will be totally random and spread out equally and will change from year to year.

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If Spurrier do this at SC, I don't see why TN can't be competitive again.


Sure it's possible, I just think it's much, much less likely that a coach of Spurrier's caliber would go to Tennessee in the first place as opposed to Florida.
This post was edited on 4/24/13 at 10:41 pm
Posted by Sheetbend
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Posted on 4/24/13 at 10:43 pm to
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And they joined the Big East over the SEC in the early 90's, so what's your point?


I understand why the Gators wouldn't want to keep losing to Miami year after year. And we all know the Gators would have lost a lot of games to Miami back then.

Is it true Florida found a way to scedule Miami again this year? Very brave of them.

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I think it's disingenuous in the context of this discussion to cite an example from 25 years ago


In the context of this discussion, Florida fans keep accusing the LSU fan base of being afraid of playing them, which is very disingenuous, don't you think?
This post was edited on 4/24/13 at 10:54 pm
Posted by JuiceTerry
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Posted on 4/24/13 at 10:44 pm to
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I like our schedule and the big games that we get to play in, I'm just tired of certain schools getting cupcake after cupcake and oh look they haven't played a soul and are undefeated and get to focus all their energies to get up for this one game against us.

What teams and seasons are you referencing now? Sounds like 1 team, and 2 seasons. You're basing your whole Future prediction on bridge schedules that won't exist and team trends that have ebbed and flowed forever. It's all changing anyway. Cheer up, buddy.
Posted by labamafan
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Posted on 4/24/13 at 10:47 pm to
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Sure it's possible, I just think it's much, much less likely that a coach of Spurrier's caliber would go to Tennessee in the first place as opposed to Florida


I agree that Florida has built in job and recruiting advantages over every sec school including LSU, that's the nature of this league, we will not all ever be equal. Until this bridge schedule I didn't find Bama's schedule to be that much less than LSU as Florida, GA and SC had just rotated off the schedule. The good news is that now that we won't be seeing every east opponent for a few yrs then maybe y'all will not have FLa and GA in the same year or as often. Perhaps the way to do this adjust the schedules to where no school is required to carry more than one of the big three from each division if that can somehow be worked out.
Posted by weagle99
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Posted on 4/24/13 at 10:47 pm to
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I like our schedule and the big games that we get to play in, I'm just tired of certain schools getting cupcake after cupcake and oh look they haven't played a soul and are undefeated and get to focus all their energies to get up for this one game against us.



I'm tired of having to play Arkansas and Ole Miss each year and not getting to play Florida and Tennessee.

ETA: I would give up LSU also if that meant we could renew the old rivalries.
This post was edited on 4/24/13 at 10:49 pm
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