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re: So what are LSU & Alabama going to do differently this go round?

Posted on 12/23/11 at 10:29 am to
Posted by I Love Bama
Alabama
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Posted on 12/23/11 at 10:29 am to
I fail to see how we approached game in 2010 with different skill players has to do with how we approached this years game.

Lee was getting all the snaps and looked to be your #1 guy this year. We schemed for him and tore his arse up. JJ coming in was a surprise to most of us. It won't be this time.
Posted by I Love Bama
Alabama
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Posted on 12/23/11 at 10:29 am to
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you can't teach fat linebackers how to not be slow, thats Bama's problem.


So Bama has shitty linebackers now? Max....I don't even know what to say.
Posted by Mahootney
Lovin' My German Footprint
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Posted on 12/23/11 at 10:30 am to
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I don't think our D is going to lay down like LSU's previous bowl opponents.
Do you think the other teams did lay down in bowl games?
Probably not. They tried, but just weren't good enough. However, I agree that your defense is better than those teams.

But all defenses have weaknesses, both scheme and talent.
Was the lack of success against the option scheme or personnel defeciencies?
I guess we'll have to wait and see.


To the OP's point:
I don't know if there are many other things that Bama can do on offense.
The question that Bama has to ask themselves is:
Was the lack of effectiveness a product of the game plan or the execution?

I expect to see more of the same, with an increased emphasis on what worked the best.

That most likely means more TR and an emphasis on the short and medium passing game.
Posted by Chimlim
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jul 2005
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Posted on 12/23/11 at 10:30 am to
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You serious with this question?


Yes. It's not like JJ's first game experience of the 2011 season was Alabama. We played JJ against Florida, Tennessee, and Auburn....so why didn't Saban prepare for JJ?
Posted by TT9
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Posted on 12/23/11 at 10:30 am to
Posted by I Love Bama
Alabama
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 12/23/11 at 10:31 am to
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.so why didn't Saban prepare for JJ?


I literally addressed that in the previous sentence man.
Posted by TT9
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Posted on 12/23/11 at 10:32 am to
He's either trolling or dumb as a box of rocks,maybe both...
This post was edited on 12/23/11 at 10:34 am
Posted by Mahootney
Lovin' My German Footprint
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Posted on 12/23/11 at 10:33 am to
quote:

So Bama has shitty linebackers now?
No, he's saying they have slow linebackers that have problems with the option.
Posted by crimsonsaint
Member since Nov 2009
37470 posts
Posted on 12/23/11 at 10:33 am to
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Exactly,jj's shitty arse hasn't started and finished a game against us yet...


Whoa now. That's maximus's hero you're talking about.
Posted by Chimlim
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jul 2005
17745 posts
Posted on 12/23/11 at 10:34 am to
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JJ coming in was a surprise to most of us.


Then ya'll are stupid. Because ya'll should have known we were going to put JJ in, considering we did it in every game leading up to Bama (once he was back on the team).

Seems to me you are making excuses for the Bama defense having trouble stopping a Jefferson led offense.

And Saban had two weeks to prepare, so why the lack of preparation.
This post was edited on 12/23/11 at 10:36 am
Posted by Maximus
Member since Feb 2004
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Posted on 12/23/11 at 10:35 am to
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I fail to see how we approached game in 2010 with different skill players has to do with how we approached this years game.

Lee was getting all the snaps and looked to be your #1 guy this year. We schemed for him and tore his arse up. JJ coming in was a surprise to most of us. It won't be this time


so Saban and his players didn't remember how they had schemed for JJ the two prior years? The JJ running package had been in the 2011 LSU offense and everyone knew we were going to run it. Bama definitely practiced it. Just because it was on the field for a larger sample size doesn't excuse your fat LBs from being able to stop the option. You can scheme all day but you can't teach fat people to not be slow. Sorry.
Posted by I Love Bama
Alabama
Member since Nov 2007
38308 posts
Posted on 12/23/11 at 10:36 am to
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Because ya'll should have known we were going to put JJ in


Again, correct me if I am wrong because I didn't watch every LSU game.

I thought JJ was coming in for clean up duty. He wasn't taking any meaningful snaps.....
Posted by Maximus
Member since Feb 2004
81329 posts
Posted on 12/23/11 at 10:37 am to
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Again, correct me if I am wrong because I didn't watch every LSU game.

I thought JJ was coming in for clean up duty. He wasn't taking any meaningful snaps.....


good to be talking with such an educated fan
Posted by Mahootney
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Member since Sep 2008
12025 posts
Posted on 12/23/11 at 10:37 am to
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He had 25 total yards against UGA,led his team to 0 first downs in the first half
He did have a really bad day. Unfortunately, his career has produced similar statistics.
quote:

no QB leans on his special teams and defense like he does...
Thankfully, our ST, defense, and depth are elite, and we have a really strong running game.

He doesn't need to go Case Keenum on Bama; he just needs to capitalize on the opportunities that are given to him. Such as the blown coverage on Shepard on 11/5.
Posted by I Love Bama
Alabama
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 12/23/11 at 10:37 am to
Look I am not taking up for Saban. I don't think he coached that great of a game. But like I said, I think we were focusing on Lee and that was a mistake. We won't make that mistake again. We will be ready.
Posted by wahoocs
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2004
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Posted on 12/23/11 at 10:39 am to
You got exactly what I would have expected out of this post.

I used to attempt to share things like this from hours of DVR'd games, but this thread is a prime example of why I just casually observe most of the time.

You managed to pull out every knee jerk, clueless fan, and those who could actually appreciate it, fail to see it or bother to respond.

One thing I would take exception with is something you actually point out to yourself.

quote:

Going away from the one consistent threat on offense all night


Then, you later touch on what I feel to be a more true statement,

quote:

The real question is if you can run it consistently. You weren't able to in November


The bulk of TR's yards came on 2 pass plays and 2 run plays. When LSU's defense had less ground to cover, they were simply dominating. With the safeties and extra DB's able to zone in on Richardson, and the lack of a downfield passing attack, they went backwards.

Not some of the time. All of the time. If the results of regulation play were not enough to confirm this, OT put an exclamation on it.

As you already know I'm sure, LSU does play a more bend but don't break defense than Alabama, schematically. But, the difference between LSU's and other programs' units is that they don't bend that much.

Both offenses will use the same overall gameplan of counting on field position, not taking any big risks. The key to the game is ball control. Yes, turnovers, but even moreso, moving the chains. LSU has a big advantage here. They can move the point of attack, and Alabama can not.

Even though JJ is not a very good runner, he is mobile. McCarron is not. This will require downfield passing by Alabama. Not so much for LSU. Saban trusted McCarron throwing the ball downfield so much in the first matchup, that he asked his WR to do it.

I have more confidence in JJ doing his thing, than I do in McCarron doing his thing. Now, if Lee should happen to become involved outside of victory formation, I'll just hold my breath. We might see the 3rd and 13 from last year, or more likely, the 1 TD and 7 INT's.
Posted by Mahootney
Lovin' My German Footprint
Member since Sep 2008
12025 posts
Posted on 12/23/11 at 10:39 am to
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Look I am not taking up for Saban. I don't think he coached that great of a game. But like I said, I think we were focusing on Lee and that was a mistake. We won't make that mistake again. We will be ready.
So, what happens when you spend all of your time focusing on defending JJ and the option and LSU puts in JLee.
Whoops.
Posted by Chimlim
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jul 2005
17745 posts
Posted on 12/23/11 at 10:40 am to
quote:

Again, correct me if I am wrong because I didn't watch every LSU game.


That's cool. But I'm sure your coaches looked at game film.

quote:

I thought JJ was coming in for clean up duty. He wasn't taking any meaningful snaps.....


No, JJ was taking meaningful snaps since his first day back against Kentucky. (In fact, many LSU fans booed him when came on the field in the 1st quarter). He played significant time against Florida, Auburn, and played the entire 2nd half against Tennessee.

Saban had to know LSU was going to put JJ in. I find it hard to believe he didn't prepare his team for JJ.
Posted by GFunk
Denham Springs
Member since Feb 2011
14969 posts
Posted on 12/23/11 at 10:40 am to
I think what most of them are in somewhat of a denial status about is that Saban is a great adjustment maker for his defense.

They were seeing the speed & sprint option in the 1st half & did not have early success against it. Then we threw and had some success. We definitely misfired on a sure TD to Randle that they're conveniently forgetting about with JJ.

Saban even admitted at halftime they weren't defending it properly.

Now, the 2nd half, we ran it again, & they reacted better. But this is the part of coaching chess game they didn't prepare for.

Once they adjusted, LSU was actually WAITING for that, & changed our blocking scheme on the outside zone read & sprint options & speed options. In other words, we watched what they keyed on, then adjusted out of that.

The OT run by Ford is a PERFECT example of it. Alabama's keys were so off that Chris Faulk gets a backside seal that's so awesome he ends up blocking TWO players on the same play, & Kenny Hilliard also gets a great block out of that.

For Alabama Fans, the simple fact is that they either aren't quite seeing this or aren't ready to realize that the LSU Offensive Coaching staff waited for their adjustments, then made some of our own, & were successful doing it.

We won the game not only with great Defense. Not only with great Special Teams. We also won it with excellent execution on offense. Which was a direct result of coaching.

This won't get talked about. It'll more than likely get dismissed in conversation by most Alabama Fans. But don't get it twisted. Miles, Stud & Co made some great adjustments to foil Bama's defense on the ground using the option.

They were outcoached, pure & simple. This is quite likely to occur again in January.
Posted by I Love Bama
Alabama
Member since Nov 2007
38308 posts
Posted on 12/23/11 at 10:41 am to
Jefferson played in 3 games prior to Alabama.

He had 6 total pass attempts and ran it 26 times in those 3 games. I don't remember him coming in at all until the game was in the 4th or you had a short yardage situation.
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