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re: Should NCAA reinstate the 1-yr Sit Out on Transfers?
Posted on 2/6/23 at 11:03 am to TrussvilleTide
Posted on 2/6/23 at 11:03 am to TrussvilleTide
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If you want to get a grip on the mercenaries in CFB, the NCAA needs to mandate that to join a collective that is directly affiliated with the university/Athletic Department you have to sign a contract that you are there for 4 years or 4+1 in the case of redshirt years, and if you break it then you can't get a NIL deal from the new school's collective for a year. I think this would win any potential challenges because they are only legislating what the actual school does. Private individuals/businesses doing NIL deals would still be fine, so you're not going to completely remove the issue, but it'll put a dent in it. And there could be a waiver system for hardship, but have it run by maybe compliance people from various schools/conferences or someone other than NCAA.
Will not stand up to the scrutiny of the courts because someone will refuse to abide by it, they will go to court, the court will side with the program or the collective or both over the NCAA and you will be worse off than before. The NCAA could only function when the courts were willing to allow them to do so by either not hearing cases or ignoring them or summarily judging in their favor. The world has changed substantially since then....there is a HEAPING pile of money on the line for everyone....a gentleman's agreement like the NCAA is not going to be a force in a world where there is so much money at stake because money is important than someone's word or agrreeing to do something. They will break the agreement, go to court and prevail. The money is just too great and the attitude toward college athletics is no longer one of amateurism and representing your state and your school it is about $975 face value nose bleed seats for a championship game between a school in Georgia and one in Texas being played in California. The money is too big to stuff the cat back in the sack. The NFL, MLB, NBA and NHL better look out....they are going to go down the same road sooner than later...
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Posted on 2/6/23 at 11:10 am to lsufball19
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I don't like that from a personal freedom standpoint.
Do you feel like this for professional athletes? They have no freedom of movement unless they're free agents. They don't get to go to different team if a coach leaves or they aren't playing as much as they want to. College players can be paid now too, so what am I missing?
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Department you have to sign a contract that you are there for 4 years or 4+1 in the case of redshirt years, and if you break it then you can't get a NIL deal from the new school's collective for a year.
NIL deals are not allowed to be pay for play so this won't work either.
Pro sports are one court decision away from finding themselevs in the same position the NCAA is in today and that decision is coming sooner rather than later. Baseball is the only sport to actually have an exemption the others have simply been allowed to operate as if they have an exemption in the same way that the NCAA was allowed to operate when it never had a legitimate legal basis for doing so. It was a gentleman's agreement and it dissapeared when the money got to the point where being a gentleman was frowned upon. Pro sports in the US are long overdue for a sunday come to jesus meeting in the course just like the NCAA has faced. Its coming sooner than later.
Posted on 2/6/23 at 11:12 am to lsufball19
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NIL deals are not allowed to be pay for play so this won't work either.
Only a matter if time until this facade dissapears and NIL is seen for what it is openly...paying for playing, period. The whole "pay for play ain't allowed" is merely the NCAA trying to remain relevant as a regulator. They are in no position to punish anyone paying for playing. The course have spoken. The NCAA is nothing but the promoter of a basketball tournament today.
Posted on 2/6/23 at 11:13 am to deeprig9
Stop hiring leftist lunatic "professors", and then higher education will go back to meaning something
Let the chips fall from there
Let the chips fall from there
Posted on 2/6/23 at 11:17 am to AwgustaDawg
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Pro sports are one court decision away from finding themselevs in the same position the NCAA is in today and that decision is coming sooner rather than later.
No they're not. Pro sports have contract athletes. Contract employees are not exclusive to athletes. Employment Contracts are enforceable in the courts. The solution to college athletics will ultimately be having contract athletes and being a semi-professional league
This post was edited on 2/6/23 at 11:21 am
Posted on 2/6/23 at 11:18 am to deeprig9
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Should NCAA reinstate the 1-yr Sit Out on Transfers?
No. I think you should be able to transfer every 2 months. I want to completely burn this shite down.
Posted on 2/6/23 at 11:19 am to Harry Rex Vonner
ESPN would rather be able to spew victim porn for 15 hours a day then actually make money so if they did this the media would skewer them same with nil rules.
This is the same company that puts the entire big 12 on plus yet has tulane vs temple womens hoops on over the air TV
This is the same company that puts the entire big 12 on plus yet has tulane vs temple womens hoops on over the air TV
Posted on 2/6/23 at 11:30 am to lsufball19
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No they're not. Pro sports have contract athletes. Contract employees are not exclusive to athletes. Employment Contracts are enforceable in the courts.
The solution to college athletics will ultimately be having contract athletes and being a semi-professional league
The difference is there are 30ish pro teams in each league. There are 130 FBS teams in college football. 20+ states have no pro sports in their borders....almost all have a FBS college football team in their border. It is far easier for 16 like minded people to agree to control a 30 team league than it will be for 66 to come to a consensus on how to control 131....and thats before the courts get involved. They have spoken on College athletics, pro sports leagues are going to face the same issue. It ain't about contracts with employers it is about contracts which limit competition....that ain't going to continue to fly in pro sports, not even in Baseball where it has been official since 1922.
The problem with contract employees is still the number of employers. It is easier to get 16 to agree to control 30 than it is to get 66 to control 130.
Posted on 2/6/23 at 11:42 am to lsufball19
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Why not? The Courts have said nothing nor has the issue ever been raised regarding the legality of eligibility rules in NCAA sports. NIL and that are two completely different things.
Because it isn't legal to impose a regulation across an entire industry without some form of legislation. The courts have indicated that they are no longer in the business of supporting the status quo in college athletics. They may take a step back every now and again but ultimately the NCAA is not in a position to impose anything on anyone who doesn't agree with the imposition AND the NCAA will violate the law if they try to prevent that person from competing.
Building codes are a good example. They are written by industry groups and codified by adaption through a state approved process with powers granted to do so legislatively. No single contractor or consumer is in a position to do much about them because there is not enough money in it for either entity. That is not the case in college athletics. The NCAA is the industry group and the schools are the contractors and the fans are the consumers. If a group of consumers who support one contractor insist on that contractor paying players to play for them and the NCAA steps in the NCAA is in the wrong because their power was not derived from the state's legislative processes as prescribed by law...it is, at best, a gentleman's agreement. Nothing wrong with those until someone decides they no longer agree then there is naught which can be done. Winning means PILES of money and piles of money make gentlemen go back on their word almost universally.
Posted on 2/6/23 at 11:48 am to deeprig9
Instead of 1-yr sit out tule make a limit on how much NIL money a player can get. Each year the amount can up, but if a player decides to transfer it goes back to the max of their freshman year.
This would help players that aren’t getting paid as much as they should. This also helps the schools that have spent money recruiting and developing to keep their players.
There would be exceptions like if a coach was fired, if a player was a grad transfer, transferring from a FCS to FBS or FBS to FCS.
This would help players that aren’t getting paid as much as they should. This also helps the schools that have spent money recruiting and developing to keep their players.
There would be exceptions like if a coach was fired, if a player was a grad transfer, transferring from a FCS to FBS or FBS to FCS.
Posted on 2/6/23 at 11:58 am to AwgustaDawg
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The difference is there are 30ish pro teams in each league. There are 130 FBS teams in college football.
Irrelevant
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20+ states have no pro sports in their borders....almost all have a FBS college football team in their border.
Also irrelevant
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pro sports leagues are going to face the same issue.
no, they won't.
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It ain't about contracts
it is
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that ain't going to continue to fly in pro sports,
it will
Posted on 2/6/23 at 11:59 am to AwgustaDawg
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The courts have indicated that they are no longer in the business of supporting the status quo in college athletics
You need to read what the courts have actually done, bud. You're painting a really, really broad stroke over what issue the courts actually addressed and said
Posted on 2/6/23 at 12:06 pm to AwgustaDawg
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The difference is there are 30ish pro teams in each league. There are 130 FBS teams in college football.
This will change. Probably fairly soon.
Posted on 2/6/23 at 12:08 pm to jonnyanony
And yeah, as soon as you have contracts you can dictate the terms as you want. 18 year olds can sign the contracts or they can go screw.
A lot of these problems go away.
A lot of these problems go away.
Posted on 2/6/23 at 12:18 pm to lsufball19
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Do you feel like this for professional athletes? They have no freedom of movement unless they're free agents. They don't get to go to different team if a coach leaves or they aren't playing as much as they want to. College players can be paid now too, so what am I missing?
Choosing where you want to play college ball to develop yourself and also where you want to go to school is different than willingly entering your name into the NFL draft and getting picked by a team that is going to pay you league minimum 500k a year.
Posted on 2/6/23 at 12:24 pm to TrussvilleTide
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Choosing where you want to play college ball to develop yourself and also where you want to go to school is different than willingly entering your name into the NFL draft and getting picked by a team that is going to pay you league minimum 500k a year.
So they already had even more freedom than professional athletes and that isn't enough?
Posted on 2/6/23 at 12:25 pm to AwgustaDawg
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Will not stand up to the scrutiny of the courts because someone will refuse to abide by it
Theres no real reason for schools TO abide by it, but it would work if you got buy in from schools disaffected with having to re-recruit their entire roster every year and is the only thing you could really do that accomplishes the stated goals without having other consequences as bad or worse than the original problem. A private school like USC would definitely throw up a middle finger about it.
Realistically we just have to get used to this new era of CFB.
Posted on 2/6/23 at 12:27 pm to lsufball19
The only way CFB players have more freedom is that they get a say in where they want to live
Thats just a laughably stupid point.
Thats just a laughably stupid point.
Posted on 2/6/23 at 12:29 pm to TrussvilleTide
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The only way CFB players have more freedom is that they get a say in where they want to live
Right now, they can go sign wherever they want and have nothing keeping them there for more than a year, and they can get paid while doing this. They have A LOT of freedom, more freedom of movement, in fact, than a professional athlete.
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Thats just a laughably stupid point.
Do tell.
Player gets drafted and doesn't want to sign with that team...team still owns the rights to him for a year.
Player doesn't like his situation, coach leaves, wants to be paid more, etc.....he can hold out and not get paid, get fined for not reporting, and be stuck wherever he is for the duration of his contract
College player gets paid to go to school A, doesn't like school A after a year, then goes and signs with school B and gets paid again. Doesn't have to sit out ever. Right, no freedom at all
This post was edited on 2/6/23 at 12:33 pm
Posted on 2/6/23 at 12:33 pm to lsufball19
Professional athletes signed up for it, and are being paid handsomely. The last pick in the draft makes $620k to play football. How much do you think the average college player makes on NIL per year?
Should we just tell CFB players where they have to go to college?
There is no way you are a college graduate
Should we just tell CFB players where they have to go to college?
There is no way you are a college graduate
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