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re: ScAUbinsky: Past Time for Bond and Bell to put up or shut up
Posted on 2/28/11 at 2:04 pm to WDE24
Posted on 2/28/11 at 2:04 pm to WDE24
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It may or may not. Again, it means shite if the NCAA listened to the alleged tapes before making their decision. It means that the NCAA didn't believe that the tapes proved Cam's knowledge. That is the only point I am making.
I doubt the committee on eligiblilty did as they only see what the school provides. That is who ruled him ineligble..
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The student-athlete reinstatement process provides for the evaluation of information submitted by an NCAA member institution on behalf of enrolled and prospective student-athletes who have been involved in violations of NCAA regulations that affect their eligibility.
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How is the information gathered to determine reinstatement decisions?
Student-athlete reinstatement decisions are based on an evaluation of the information provided to the staff by the involved school, given the NCAA reinstatement staff’s role is not investigatory in nature. While the student-athlete reinstatement staff may ask additional questions related to the reinstatement request, it is the school’s responsibility to provide all necessary information for the staff to consider
https://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/NCAA/About+the+NCAA/How+We+Work/Student+Athlete+Reinstatement
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Posted on 2/28/11 at 2:05 pm to WDE24
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Or, if you believe Coonass, the NCAA heard the tapes, knew they existed, but ignored them, ruled Cam eligible, said the ruling was based on no evidence of Cam's knowledge and then just crossed their fingers that Bond and Bell would never tell anyone about the tapes.
Why couldn't they have heard the tapes later though. Why does it have to be that they heard before they ruled him eligible? Did I miss that it was supposedly before that?
Posted on 2/28/11 at 2:05 pm to WDE24
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All I have said is they didn't rely exclusively on info provided by AU. Also, I have stated that the reinstatement shows that, if the NCAA in fact heard the types prior to the decision (as is claimed) then the tapes obviously aren't as conclusive regarding Cam's knowledge as they are being portrayed.
Nothing more, nothing less.
Again, that's to be determined. The enforcement staff is separate from the eligibility staff. With less than 24 hrs to decide eligibility, it's reasonable to believe they couldn't have gathered the information that the investigation had at the time. There just isn't enough time to properly review a case, especially, if there were "months" of investigations beforehand. It's much more believable to think they based their decision on the information provided to them from Auburn.
Posted on 2/28/11 at 2:05 pm to NBamaAlum
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I was very pleased with how that whole issue was handled. Our staff and enforcement did a great investigation, did it quickly and got to the facts as best we could find them…The fact of the matter is, as we got to the facts that we could uncover, they led to the right conclusion and it was that there is no evidence there was anything inappropriate with this young man and with that institution had occurred…The burden of proof for the NCAA is a little deeper than the burden of proof for a blogger.
Posted on 2/28/11 at 2:07 pm to NBamaAlum
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Student-athlete reinstatement decisions are based on an evaluation of the information provided to the staff by the involved school
Wait, are you saying Emmert lied about following NCAA guidelines?
Posted on 2/28/11 at 2:08 pm to WDE24
And that statement was after he was getting his arse reamed out by the national media, and as posted above, it is contrary to what the NCAA website says is how it works. So he either lied or the NCAA broke their own rules.
Posted on 2/28/11 at 2:08 pm to Tds & Beer
quote:They certainly could have. I am just talking about what is being alleged right now. Hell, the tapes may exist and the NCAA hasn't heard them yet. Again, I am making one small, but potentially, significant point. Don't read more into just because I am an AU fan.
Why couldn't they have heard the tapes later though. Why does it have to be that they heard before they ruled him eligible? Did I miss that it was supposedly before that?
Posted on 2/28/11 at 2:09 pm to WDE24
WDE, you of all people should know CYA talk when you see it. The reinstatment was based 100% on what AU provided...they may have asked an additional question or two, but that was the Pres. in press conference mode.
Posted on 2/28/11 at 2:11 pm to NBamaAlum
I agree.
Posted on 2/28/11 at 2:11 pm to Alahunter
quote:No, I am saying they were already doing an investigation and didn't ignore information they had already gathered just because AU didn't provide it. They were not compelled to rule that fast and the reinstatement was clearly orchestrated. Your belief that the NCAA only had 24 hours either shows your stupidity (which I don't believe) or that you are simply tryiong to argue a point you know isn't true because it fits your position.
Wait, are you saying Emmert lied about following NCAA guidelines?
If you think Emmert knew about those tapes and the NCAA had heard them and he would make that statement, then you don't think much of his intelligence level.
Posted on 2/28/11 at 2:12 pm to NBamaAlum
quote:You of all people should know that Emmert would not make such a statement if he knew there were tapes out there that the NCAA had already heard that was contradicting everything he was saying.
WDE, you of all people should know CYA talk when you see it. The reinstatment was based 100% on what AU provided...they may have asked an additional question or two, but that was the Pres. in press conference mode.
Posted on 2/28/11 at 2:14 pm to WDE24
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You of all people should know that Emmert would not make such a statement if he knew there were tapes out there that the NCAA had already heard that was contradicting everything he was saying
There are NCAA guidelines that spell out how the reinstatement works and it specifically it says it is based on information provided to it by the University. The investigation is completely separate and has no bearing on the reinstatement. Which goes back to your previous statement, it was cleary orchestrated.
Posted on 2/28/11 at 2:16 pm to Alahunter
quote:Simple question: Do you believe Emmert would make the statements he has made, including the one quoted above, if the NCAA had listened to tapes proving Cam's knowledge prior to the reinstatement decision?
Alahunter
Posted on 2/28/11 at 2:18 pm to WDE24
I believe Emmert and the NCAA as a whole was getting their asses handed to them for what transpired. I believe he felt he had to come out with a statement to try to deflect it and he muddled the water in saying that the investigation had a part in the reinstatement. Because per NCAA rules, it does not. IF it did, then he basically admitted that the NCAA blatantly breaks it's protocol in how it works and there would be no confidence in the rule of law as they apply it, since they cannot or will not separate the powers of committees.
Posted on 2/28/11 at 2:19 pm to WDE24
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You of all people should know that Emmert would not make such a statement if he knew there were tapes out there that the NCAA had already heard that was contradicting everything he was saying.
He couldn't say anything else, as that committee is the end-all be-all for those situations.
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The NCAA student-athlete reinstatement staff makes the initial decision regarding reinstatement of a student-athlete’s eligibility. The staff has been given this authority by the NCAA Committee on Student-Athlete Reinstatement.
I know you have had situations where the "truth" is out there, but for whatever reason, you can't use it. You know, being bound by some rule or something.
Posted on 2/28/11 at 2:22 pm to Alahunter
I knew you couldn't just answer a simple question. There is no way Emmert makes that statement if the NCAA has heard a tape proving Cam has knowledge. It has nothing to do with the part about their investigation. What about the part about the NCAA not having any evidence Cam knew. That statement is a clear lie, if what is being alleged is true. He wouldn't do that knowing there are tapes in the hands of Bond and Bell proving is clear lie.
quote:Still, the NCAA pres isn't going to continuously talk about the lack of evidence of Cam's knowledge if he knows Bond and Bell have a tape proving otherwise.
I know you have had situations where the "truth" is out there, but for whatever reason, you can't use it. You know, being bound by some rule or something.
This post was edited on 2/28/11 at 2:24 pm
Posted on 2/28/11 at 2:23 pm to WDE24
there's way too much thinkin goin on in here. just gotta wait
Posted on 2/28/11 at 2:26 pm to WDE24
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I knew you couldn't just answer a simple question
It's all in how it's phrased. It's easy to make a question only have an answer you want to hear.
It goes back to what you were asserting. The reinstatement was based off information given it by Auburn, nothing else.
That Emmert came out saying what he did, was as NBamaalum said, PR and to get the media off his arse. It's one of those situations, that sometimes the less you say the better. Because his statements directly are contrary to NCAA rule of law is concerning committees. I wouldn't put much stock in his statement at that time, as it was nothing but getting the wolves off his arse.
Posted on 2/28/11 at 2:28 pm to WDE24
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Still, the NCAA pres isn't going to continuously talk about the lack of evidence of Cam's knowledge if he knows Bond and Bell have a tape proving otherwise.
He flat out said or insinuated their investigation was a part of the reinstatement decision. The NCAA broke their own bylaws in their dealings with Bama. Why do you believe they are beyond reproach and covering their own asses when they've done something wrong as well?
Posted on 2/28/11 at 2:29 pm to Alahunter
quote:There is no trickery in that question. It's a straight forward yes or no question that goes directly to the issue of if the NCAA had heard the tapes prior to the decision being made. Just answer it instead of being concerned with losing an e-debate.
Do you believe Emmert would make the statements he has made, including the one quoted above, if the NCAA had listened to tapes proving Cam's knowledge prior to the reinstatement decision?
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