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re: Reverend Rabbit: "There's a difference between making a mistake and cheating"
Posted on 5/31/16 at 9:56 am to StopRobot
Posted on 5/31/16 at 9:56 am to StopRobot
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A school giving players money is cheating. The loaner car stuff is different.
I agree. And if you think the extent of OM cheating is them taking care of the players once the get to campus then fine. But most are claiming that OM bought the players and that's why they are on campus in the first place. Only "cheating" point I'm arguing
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Posted on 5/31/16 at 9:57 am to Whereisomaha
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You're a little obsessed with me aren't you?
Bitch, pls
Posted on 5/31/16 at 9:57 am to DeltaDoc
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This staff has a history of lying to cover tracks. They also lied to Anderson and Pennamon as well in stating that the infractions occurred under the previous staff. It is actually pretty astounding that Freeze continues to double down on the religious deal to cover his lies.
This is what I have the biggest issue with.
Posted on 5/31/16 at 9:58 am to Whereisomaha
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All that money that we apparently paid Tunsil yet he needs help with a light bill. You can't have it both ways.
If that is the case, how did the Tunsils afford to move from Florida to Oxford, if they can't even afford a light bill.
Posted on 5/31/16 at 9:58 am to StopRobot
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Do you think that makes him look better?
Idk, but is an actual quote that actually explains the headline instead of a made up quote that has nothing to do with it.
Posted on 5/31/16 at 10:01 am to StopRobot
There are a lot of Ole Miss fans beating the "no pay for play" drum. The fact is, that RARELY gets found out. Reggie Bush and Albert Means are the only two that involved large amounts that I can think of in many years. UK got hit around the same time as the Albert Means thing, as well, but their payments weren't really that big.
Here's the thing. There is a LOT of incentive for anyone involved to keep a larger payment covered, even if they are informing on other matters. The reason boils down to 3 simple letters- I. R. S. If someone admits taking a payment that ended up being for any kind of services rendered, they are going to have to pay back taxes on that with interest and associated penalties. Most of these idiots probably blow said money in various ways rather quickly, so thise penalties could end up hurting.
I'm not guaranteeing that large payments were made. However, the NCAA not finding a paper trail at the school doesn't necessarily clear the air. It isn't as if they have the jurisdiction to subpoena financial records of all donors or organizations outside the school. So, despite the NCAA's exhaustive search, it is unlikely they would find evidence of any booster-only activities there. And again, people admitting to small amounts and loaner cars is FAR different than admitting to larger sums.
Here's the thing. There is a LOT of incentive for anyone involved to keep a larger payment covered, even if they are informing on other matters. The reason boils down to 3 simple letters- I. R. S. If someone admits taking a payment that ended up being for any kind of services rendered, they are going to have to pay back taxes on that with interest and associated penalties. Most of these idiots probably blow said money in various ways rather quickly, so thise penalties could end up hurting.
I'm not guaranteeing that large payments were made. However, the NCAA not finding a paper trail at the school doesn't necessarily clear the air. It isn't as if they have the jurisdiction to subpoena financial records of all donors or organizations outside the school. So, despite the NCAA's exhaustive search, it is unlikely they would find evidence of any booster-only activities there. And again, people admitting to small amounts and loaner cars is FAR different than admitting to larger sums.
This post was edited on 5/31/16 at 10:02 am
Posted on 5/31/16 at 10:01 am to Whereisomaha
When Hugh was hired, who else was the search committee looking at? I seem to remember most OM fans being upset with the hire.
Posted on 5/31/16 at 10:02 am to msu202020
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If that is the case, how did the Tunsils afford to move from Florida to Oxford, if they can't even afford a light bill.
Oxford isn't more expensive than Lake City. You can live in a trailer in Oxford city limits
A. How do you know momma lives in Oxford, stalker?
B. Once again, if we paid the Tunsil's boocoys of money, why do they need help with a light bill?
C. They didn't move to Oxford until Tunsil step brother joined the team (actual reason why we got him) and with both kids being in Oxford, no reason to be in LC.
Posted on 5/31/16 at 10:03 am to Larry
These repeat PR gaffes are beginning to rival Louisville's.
If you want to know how to manage a crisis such as this take notes from North Carolina.
If you want to know how to manage a crisis such as this take notes from North Carolina.
Posted on 5/31/16 at 10:06 am to Whereisomaha
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Most people refer to cheating in college recruiting as in paying a player a large amount of money to come to your school.
No, only ole miss people consider it that way right now because there is no direct mention of a large sum of money being exchanged...yet. Anything that gives you a competitive advantage over other people following the same rules is cheating, especially academic fraud.
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After 4 years of digging, no pay for play was found
Are the Tunsil texts from draft night included in this?
Posted on 5/31/16 at 10:07 am to misey94
They have the step father tho. That's how they know a booster gave him $800. You're saying that they have the man spilling the beans on a player who lived with him and went on trips during his recruitment, even with that guy, they found no pay for play. No large amount of cash. And I'm like you, just because they didn't find it doesn't mean it didn't happen, but shite, they need help with a light bill, whatever was given wasn't astromical wjich is the claims rival fans make. If a 4 year investigation with an insider snitching doesn't give you pay for play then people who do not have an agenda should stop beating that drum
Posted on 5/31/16 at 10:08 am to Whereisomaha
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A. How do you know momma lives in Oxford, stalker?
B. Once again, if we paid the Tunsil's boocoys of money, why do they need help with a light bill?
Man...
Nevermind. These are stupid fricking questions.
Posted on 5/31/16 at 10:09 am to Whereisomaha
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All that money that we apparently paid Tunsil yet he needs help with a light bill. You can't have it both ways.
You mean you dont think a player would accept money up front and then ask for more latter? There was clearly some type of arrangement as mentioned in the texts.
Posted on 5/31/16 at 10:11 am to StopRobot
Someone needs to muzzle Hugh, he's making this worse.
Posted on 5/31/16 at 10:12 am to Whereisomaha
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If a 4 year investigation with an insider snitching doesn't give you pay for play
Do you realize they are still investigating?
Posted on 5/31/16 at 10:13 am to Tdot_RiverDawg
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No, only ole miss people consider it that way right now because there is no direct mention of a large sum of money being exchanged...yet. Anything that gives you a competitive advantage over other people following the same rules is cheating, especially acade
No one is defending academic fraud. That is the worst thing there and very much cheating. Is offering a player's coach a head job to get him cheating? It gives the school an edge? Does paying a kid not to visit another school cheating? Y'all can call us cheaters all you want for calling kids during dead periods, giving girlfriends and parents lodging and hamburgers, but no where in there is there giving cash to kids like the school you cheer for did.
And no the Tunsil text messages aren't in the NOAA and they make me nervous. If you want to say we also take care of our players by helping out their families with bills, then by all means, we do that along with everyone else. The only thing that bothers me is the accusation that we pay players large sums of money just to come to school here and that's why they chose ole miss over other schools
Posted on 5/31/16 at 10:14 am to Whereisomaha
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have the step father tho. That's how they know a booster gave him $800. You're saying that they have the man spilling the beans on a player who lived with him and went on trips during his recruitment, even with that guy, they found no pay for play. No large amount of cash. And I'm like you, just because they didn't find it doesn't mean it didn't happen, but shite, they need help with a light bill, whatever was given wasn't astromical wjich is the claims rival fans make. If a 4 year investigation with an insider snitching doesn't give you pay for play then people who do not have an agenda should stop beating that drum
The light bill argument really doesn't phase me because such a payment would have been made up front at signing (down payment before and the rest after a sig), and would have been laundered to some degree. A booster who is a successful businessman could get this done and would have incentive to cover their own tracks sufficiently.
Again, if you blow a large payment but get caught, you are going to give up what you have to, but hide what you think you can. It's the same thing the school is doing. I'm sure they are hiding anything more damaging that they think they can get away with.
These are all hypotheticals, but again, there are many sunshine pumpers on your side who won't acknowledge that this is still a real possibility. You seem to be a little more reasonable, but you are currently in the minority.
Posted on 5/31/16 at 10:15 am to DynastyDawg
So obsessed
Posted on 5/31/16 at 10:16 am to Whereisomaha
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Edit: and we are buying players and giving them free cars, but they have to pay for drugs. Wonderful logic
So just to be clear, you're saying OM gives recruits free cars AND free weed?
Posted on 5/31/16 at 10:20 am to misey94
So the stepdad was able to prove $800 but isn't able to prove 100k-200k?
Using logic and not some hopeful narrative by a rival fan, needing help to pay for a light bill and the step father being able to prove a small sum but they couldn't find a large sum is easier to believe that there was no large amount of money than to believe they were able to cover up hundreds of thousands of dollars when the guy who would be asking for it is the NCAA's snitch.
I don't understand how we are so clever to cover that up when we communicate our payments over text messages. The Tunsil text messages and Linsey Miller snitching should throw away the idea that Om is this evil mastermind that was able to hide the juicy stuff.
But as I've already ended these arguments, if OM is getting elite players because we are paying for them, what are the other schools offering because we have gotten torched the last 3 NSDs
Using logic and not some hopeful narrative by a rival fan, needing help to pay for a light bill and the step father being able to prove a small sum but they couldn't find a large sum is easier to believe that there was no large amount of money than to believe they were able to cover up hundreds of thousands of dollars when the guy who would be asking for it is the NCAA's snitch.
I don't understand how we are so clever to cover that up when we communicate our payments over text messages. The Tunsil text messages and Linsey Miller snitching should throw away the idea that Om is this evil mastermind that was able to hide the juicy stuff.
But as I've already ended these arguments, if OM is getting elite players because we are paying for them, what are the other schools offering because we have gotten torched the last 3 NSDs
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